Author Topic: Pope explains why he is going to Assisi-III (Read 2210 times)

stevusmagnus · « **on:** October 03, 2011, 07:45:55 AM »

Pope explains why he is going to Assisi-III

In April, we mentioned a letter that Pope Benedict XVI sent to his friend, Lutheran minister and professor Dr. Peter Beyerhaus, as a response to a missive sent by the latter on the risks involved in the new Assisi gathering (October 27, 2011).

In a conference promoted by traditional-minded Catholics that took place last Saturday in Rome on the meaning of the Assisi gathering (Cardinal Burke was one of the speakers at the conference), the relevant passage of the Pope's private letter to Beyerhaus was revealed:

"I understand quite well - Benedict XVI wrote on March 4, 2011 - your concern regarding the participation at the Assisi meeting. However, this commemoration would have to have been celebrated in some way and, all things considered, it seemed to me that the best thing would be for me to personally go there being thus able to determine the direction of it all. I will nevertheless do everything in order that a syncretistic or relativistic interpretation of the event will be impossible and so that what will remain is that I will always believe and confess that which I had called to the attention of the Church with [the Declaration] 'Dominus Iesus'."
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The Declaration "Dominus Iesus" brings good memories to many Catholics, including many converts. One hopes that its presence will be felt in Assisi, which on these days celebrates the transito of its greatest son.

Baskerville · « **Reply #1 on:** October 03, 2011, 08:17:47 AM »

Call me crazy but its a sad state of affairs when a lutheran minister has to remind the Pope to act like a Christian.

Stephen Francis · « **Reply #2 on:** October 03, 2011, 08:41:24 AM »

Quote from: Ratzinger

I will do everything so that a syncretistic or relativistic INTERPRETATION of the event will be impossible...

(emphasis mine)

That's absolutely laughable! First of all, INVITING REPRESENTATIVES OF PAGAN RELIGIONS TO APPEAR AT YOUR EVENT IS RELATIVISTIC. You are, at the very least, insinuating that there is some good reason for their religion to even exist. It may not, of course, be as 'right' as your religion, but you accord their beliefs and practices at least a minimum of a right to be represented in conjunction with yours, if not in union.

Secondly, INVITING PEOPLE TO PRAY AT YOUR EVENT IS SYNCRETISTIC. It's one thing to show up and sit on a dais with some leaders of other organizations, but to 'pray' and sit by while others 'pray' to their false gods and not to condemn nor halt the proceedings IS SYNCRETISM Since syncretism is defined as 'combination of different beliefs, often while melding practices of differing schools of thought', then, obviously, combining so-called Christian prayer with the prayers, philosophies, postures and gestures of the adherents of other religions IS SYNCRETISTIC.

You simply CAN'T allow people who profess heretical and blasphemous things about Our Lord to participate in an event of 'prayer' AT A SO-CALLED CATHOLIC CATHEDRAL and NOT be guilty of both syncretism AND relativism!

And RE: the use of the word 'interpretation'... interpretation is INDIVIDUALISTIC in nature, unless one is bound to accept dogmatic definitions (i.e. from the Church). Since Ratzinger is in NO WAY going to demand or even expect his infidel guests to accept HIS or any other definitions of the meaning of the event, then it stands to reason that INDIVIDUAL INTERPRETATIONS of the event's meaning will be made. OBVIOUSLY, since everyone attending will be at least permitting if not welcoming the presence of other infidels, there will CERTAINLY be syncretistic and relativistic interpretations of the event's significance.

That letter was nothing more than political baby-kissing to assuage the fundamentalist factions that are likely present in the Lutheran heretic's flock... too bad Ratzinger doesn't take the time to calm the fears of traditional Catholics... oh, wait, he did... with bogus Motu garbage that we saw right through.

St. Anthony of Padua, hammer of heretics, terror of Hell, pray for us.

Sacred Heart of Jesus, have mercy on us.

Baskerville · « **Reply #3 on:** October 03, 2011, 01:36:03 PM »

Quote from: Stephen Francis

Quote from: Ratzinger
I will do everything so that a syncretistic or relativistic INTERPRETATION of the event will be impossible...
(emphasis mine)

That's absolutely laughable! First of all, INVITING REPRESENTATIVES OF PAGAN RELIGIONS TO APPEAR AT YOUR EVENT IS RELATIVISTIC. You are, at the very least, insinuating that there is some good reason for their religion to even exist. It may not, of course, be as 'right' as your religion, but you accord their beliefs and practices at least a minimum of a right to be represented in conjunction with yours, if not in union.

This is exactly what Ratzinger and the heretical Vatican II Church believe.

PartyIsOver221 · « **Reply #4 on:** October 03, 2011, 04:21:13 PM »

Quote from: Stephen Francis

That letter was nothing more than political baby-kissing to assuage the fundamentalist factions that are likely present in the Lutheran heretic's flock... too bad Ratzinger doesn't take the time to calm the fears of traditional Catholics... oh, wait, he did... with bogus Motu garbage that we saw right through.

St. Anthony of Padua, hammer of heretics, terror of Hell, pray for us.

Sacred Heart of Jesus, have mercy on us.

Exactly right!

And I really like your post endings with a prayer to St. Anthony and the Sacred Heart of Jesus. Very effective.

PartyIsOver221 · « **Reply #5 on:** October 03, 2011, 04:22:40 PM »

Quote from: Stephen Francis

That letter was nothing more than political baby-kissing to assuage the fundamentalist factions that are likely present in the Lutheran heretic's flock... too bad Ratzinger doesn't take the time to calm the fears of traditional Catholics... oh, wait, he did... with bogus Motu garbage that we saw right through.

St. Anthony of Padua, hammer of heretics, terror of Hell, pray for us.

Sacred Heart of Jesus, have mercy on us.

Here we go, with the bold part done right now!! (ARGHHH CODING!)

Exactly right, Stephen Francis!

And I really like your post endings with a prayer to St. Anthony and the Sacred Heart of Jesus. Very effective.

Stephen Francis · « **Reply #6 on:** October 06, 2011, 12:22:11 PM »

@PIO221:

I always try to remember to close my posts with those short requests for prayer from the saints and Our Lady.

St. Anthony is known throughout the Church as the 'Hammer of Heretics', and I believe his zeal on earth for preaching the True Faith is matched only by his zeal in prayer as he encourages the Church Militant to continue to battle against the infidels and those who oppose the Church.

As to the petition to Jesus' Sacred Heart, if there was EVER a time in history when we need to BEG Our Lord's forgiveness of all the heinous offenses in the world that wound and insult His loving Heart, it's now. Oh, how the Church on earth needs to prostrate Herself before Her Lord and plead endlessly with Him for the graces to overcome the evils of this age!

The offenses and pains caused by men to Our Lady's Immaculate and sword-pierced Heart are only second to those of Jesus... surely, as we continue to stand for the Faith, we must also be grieving inwardly at how terribly we sinners disregard the charity and graces that Our Mother offers.

Immaculate Heart of Mary, pray for us.

Sacred Heart of Jesus, have mercy on us.

PartyIsOver221 · « **Reply #7 on:** October 08, 2011, 04:45:43 PM »

@Stephen Francis

Amen.

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #8 on:** October 08, 2011, 08:35:36 PM »

Wasn't Assisi III supposed to start yesterday? I haven't heard anything about it. Maybe they're trying to keep the details hidden for now so Trads won't criticize it?

Thursday · « **Reply #9 on:** October 08, 2011, 09:00:15 PM »

I think it's slated for Oct 27th but its hard to get a date on it. Do you think they ate trying to downplay it. Makes me want to start posting about it everywhere I can.

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #10 on:** October 08, 2011, 09:04:59 PM »

Benedict probably knows more people will cut it down this time so he refrains from releasing too many details on it. But then again, you'd think EWTN would be broadcasting it if it were happenning now, since they love that kind of rubbish. I looked on EWTN today and yesterday and didn't see it. I'm only interested in watching it to see how much blasphemy there will be. I'd publicly protest it if I could.

Roman Catholic · « **Reply #11 on:** October 08, 2011, 09:10:23 PM »

Vatican says Assisi meeting will not include interreligious prayer
Monday, April 4, 2011
By Catholic News S...
By Cindy Wooden, Catholic News Service
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VATICAN CITY (CNS) -- Pope Benedict XVI and representatives of the world's major religions will make speeches and sign a common commitment to peace when they meet in Assisi in October, but they will not pray together, the Vatican said.

In fact, Pope Benedict's formal prayer service will be held at the Vatican the evening before the encounter Oct. 27 in Assisi with leaders of other Christian communities and representatives of the world's main religions.

The October gathering will commemorate the 25th anniversary of Pope John Paul II's "prayer for peace" encounter in Assisi. The 1986 event was seen by many as a milestone in interreligious relations but was criticized by some Catholics who said it appeared to inappropriately mix elements from Christian and non-Christian religions.

The Vatican press office issued a statement April 2 giving the theme for the 2011 event -- "Pilgrims of Truth, Pilgrims of Peace" -- and a general outline of events.

"Every human being is ultimately a pilgrim in search of truth and goodness," the Vatican statement said.

The search requires people to enter into dialogue with others, "believers and unbelievers alike, without sacrificing one's own identity or indulging in forms of syncretism" where elements of different religions are used indiscriminately, the statement said.

"To the extent that the pilgrimage of truth is authentically lived, it opens the path to dialogue with the other, it excludes no one and it commits everyone to be a builder of fraternity and peace. These are the elements that the Holy Father wishes to place at the center of reflection," the Vatican said.

The statement said Pope Benedict will prepare for the Assisi gathering by hosting a prayer service with Catholics from the Diocese of Rome in St. Peter's Basilica Oct. 26.

Other Catholic dioceses and other Christian communities are encouraged to organize similar prayer services, the statement said.

The Vatican said the pope was inviting to Assisi representatives of other religions, other Christian communities and representatives of the worlds of culture and science who do not profess a religious belief, but who "regard themselves as seekers of the truth and are conscious of a shared responsibility for the cause of justice and peace." The pontifical councils for interreligious dialogue, for promoting Christian unity and for culture are distributing the invitations.

Pope Benedict and other participants will take a train to Assisi Oct. 27, the statement said.

After speeches in the Basilica of St. Mary of the Angels, there will be a simple lunch, followed by "a period of silence for individual reflection and prayer."

In the afternoon, participants will go in pilgrimage to the Basilica of St. Francis, the saint's resting place, where they will make "a solemn renewal of the joint commitment to peace," the Vatican said.

Copyright © 2011 Catholic News Service/U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #12 on:** October 08, 2011, 09:36:16 PM »

Oh ok. Thanks RC, don't know what had me thinking October 7th.

Gregory I · « **Reply #13 on:** October 09, 2011, 02:23:38 AM »

Look, "Pope" Benny Is Genuflecting to a LUTHERAN altar!!! More heresy...admission of real presence in protestant churches!!!

stevusmagnus · « **Reply #14 on:** October 09, 2011, 06:39:00 AM »

Looks like he is bowing, not genuflecting. This picture is grasping at straws.