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March 16, 2016 (LifeSiteNews.com) -- On March 16, speaking publicly on a rare occasion, Pope Benedict XVI gave an interview to Avvenire, the daily newspaper of the Italian Bishops' Conference, in which he spoke of a “two-sided deep crisis” the Church is facing in the wake of the Second Vatican Council. The report has already hit Germany courtesy of Vaticanist Guiseppe Nardi, of the German Catholic news website Katholisches.info.

Pope Benedict reminds us of the formerly indispensable Catholic conviction of the possibility of the loss of eternal salvation, or that people go to hell:
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The missionaries of the 16th century were convinced that the unbaptized person is lost forever. After the [Second Vatican] Council, this conviction was definitely abandoned. The result was a two-sided, deep crisis. Without this attentiveness to the salvation, the Faith loses its foundation.
He also speaks of a “profound evolution of Dogma” with respect to the Dogma that there is no salvation outside the Church. This purported change of dogma has led, in the pope's eyes, to a loss of the missionary zeal in the Church – “any motivation for a future missionary commitment was removed.” Pope Benedict asks the piercing question that arose after this palpable change of attitude of the Church: “Why should you try to convince the people to accept the Christian faith when they can be saved even without it?” As to the other consequences of this new attitude in the Church, the Catholics themselves, in Benedict's eyes, are less attached to their Faith: If there are those who can save their souls with other means, “why should the the Christian be bound to the necessity of the Christian Faith and its morality?” asked the pope. And he concludes: “But if Faith and Salvation are not any more interdependent, even Faith becomes less motivating.”

Pope Benedict also refutes both the idea of the “anonymous Christian” as developed by Karl Rahner, as well as the indifferentist idea that all religions are equally valuable and helpful to attain eternal life. He says: “Even less acceptable is the solution proposed by the pluralistic theories of religion, for which all religions, each in its own way, would be ways of salvation and, in this sense, must be considered equivalent  in their effects.” In this context, he also touches upon the exploratory  ideas of the now-deceased Jesuit Cardinal, Henri de Lubac, about Christ's putatively “vicarious substitutions” which have to be now again “further reflected upon.” That is to say, Christ's own acts in the place of others in order to save them eternally.

With regard to man's relation to technology and to love, Pope Benedict reminds us of the importance of human affection, saying that man still yearns in his heart “that the Good Samaritan come to his aid.” He continues: “In the harshness of the world of technology – in which feelings to not count anymore – the hope for a saving love grows, a love which would be given freely and generously.” Benedict also reminds his audience that: “The Church is not self-made, it was created by God and is continuously formed by Him. This finds expression in the Sacraments, above all in that of Baptism: I enter into the Church not by a bureaucratic act, but with the help of this Sacrament.” Benedict also insists that, always, “we need Grace and forgiveness.”
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    March 16, 2016 (LifeSiteNews.com) -- On March 16, speaking publicly on a rare occasion, Pope Benedict XVI gave an interview to Avvenire, the daily newspaper of the Italian Bishops' Conference, in which he spoke of a “two-sided deep crisis” the Church is facing in the wake of the Second Vatican Council. The report has already hit Germany courtesy of Vaticanist Guiseppe Nardi, of the German Catholic news website Katholisches.info.

    Pope Benedict reminds us of the formerly indispensable Catholic conviction of the possibility of the loss of eternal salvation, or that people go to hell:
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    The missionaries of the 16th century were convinced that the unbaptized person is lost forever. After the [Second Vatican] Council, this conviction was definitely abandoned. The result was a two-sided, deep crisis. Without this attentiveness to the salvation, the Faith loses its foundation.
    He also speaks of a “profound evolution of Dogma” with respect to the Dogma that there is no salvation outside the Church. This purported change of dogma has led, in the pope's eyes, to a loss of the missionary zeal in the Church – “any motivation for a future missionary commitment was removed.” Pope Benedict asks the piercing question that arose after this palpable change of attitude of the Church: “Why should you try to convince the people to accept the Christian faith when they can be saved even without it?” As to the other consequences of this new attitude in the Church, the Catholics themselves, in Benedict's eyes, are less attached to their Faith: If there are those who can save their souls with other means, “why should the the Christian be bound to the necessity of the Christian Faith and its morality?” asked the pope. And he concludes: “But if Faith and Salvation are not any more interdependent, even Faith becomes less motivating.”

    Pope Benedict also refutes both the idea of the “anonymous Christian” as developed by Karl Rahner, as well as the indifferentist idea that all religions are equally valuable and helpful to attain eternal life. He says: “Even less acceptable is the solution proposed by the pluralistic theories of religion, for which all religions, each in its own way, would be ways of salvation and, in this sense, must be considered equivalent  in their effects.” In this context, he also touches upon the exploratory  ideas of the now-deceased Jesuit Cardinal, Henri de Lubac, about Christ's putatively “vicarious substitutions” which have to be now again “further reflected upon.” That is to say, Christ's own acts in the place of others in order to save them eternally.

    With regard to man's relation to technology and to love, Pope Benedict reminds us of the importance of human affection, saying that man still yearns in his heart “that the Good Samaritan come to his aid.” He continues: “In the harshness of the world of technology – in which feelings to not count anymore – the hope for a saving love grows, a love which would be given freely and generously.” Benedict also reminds his audience that: “The Church is not self-made, it was created by God and is continuously formed by Him. This finds expression in the Sacraments, above all in that of Baptism: I enter into the Church not by a bureaucratic act, but with the help of this Sacrament.” Benedict also insists that, always, “we need Grace and forgiveness.”


     :shocked: This sounds like a man speaking with a view of his own Eternity.


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    :shocked: This sounds like a man speaking with a view of his own Eternity.
    This is the least Modernist I've heard him. He states facts, and what is most: he refutes the heresy of his long-time colleague Rahner.
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    :shocked: This sounds like a man speaking with a view of his own Eternity.
    This is the least Modernist I've heard him. He states facts, and what is most: he refutes the heresy of his long-time colleague Rahner.

    I downthumbed this post by accident. Sorry.
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    The missionaries of the 16th century were convinced that the unbaptized person is lost forever. After the [Second Vatican] Council, this conviction was definitely abandoned.


    Wow.  Even Benedict XVI gets it when most Traditional Catholics don't.


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  • Pope-emeritus Benedict XVI speaks about a “deep crisis” of faith in the Catholic world after Vatican II, and strongly supports the emphasis that Pope Francis places on God’s mercy, in a rare public interview made public today.




    The interview with the former Pontiff-- conducted by Father Jacques Servais, a Jesuit theologian—appears as a chapter in a new book published in Italy, containing the proceedings of a conference held in Rome last year. During the conference Archbishop Georg Gänswein, the longtime personal secretary to Pope Benedict, presented the interview.

    Reflecting on the nature of Christian faith, the retired Pope says that personal faith is inextricably connected with the Church:

    On the one hand, faith is a deeply personal communication with God, which touches my very core and places me in direct contact with the living God so that I can talk to Him, love Him and enter into communion with Him. At the same time, this highly personal experience is inextricably linked to the community: becoming one of God’s children in the community of pilgrim brothers and sisters is part of the essence of the faith.

    Benedict XVI remarks that the great missionaries of Catholic history acted on the belief that people must be brought into the Church for the salvation of their souls. But that belief was lost in the wake of Vatican II, he says. “The result was a deep crisis,” the retired Pope said. “Why should you try to convince the people to accept the Christian faith when they can be saved even without it?”

    However, Benedict continued, “there is still a perception that we are all in need of grace and forgiveness.” He said that this recognition was a major theme of the pontificate of St. John Paul II, which has now been taken up by Pope Francis. He explained:

    It is mercy that steers us towards God, while justice makes us fearful in his presence. I believe this shows that beneath the veneer of self-confidence and self-righteousness, today’s mankind conceals a profound knowledge of its wounds and unworthiness before God. It awaits mercy.

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  • Maybe Ratzinger is starting to, at least partially, see the errors in his youthful heresies, now that he's approaching his Maker.

    We can only hope he fully abjures all his disgusting blasphemous ideas contained in the thousands of pages he wrote as a theologian and Nope, before it's too late.



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    Maybe Ratzinger is starting to, at least partially, see the errors in his youthful heresies, now that he's approaching his Maker.

    We can only hope he fully abjures all his disgusting blasphemous ideas contained in the thousands of pages he wrote as a theologian and Nope, before it's too late.



    We shall see.

    But this is what Modernists do, one time they preach the full truth of the faith, the next time they spew modernist heresy, so I expect the next thing we hear will be explanations about how he did not mean what he said here.
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    Pope Benedict reminds us of the formerly indispensable Catholic conviction of the possibility of the loss of eternal salvation, or that people go to hell:
    “The missionaries of the 16th century were convinced that the unbaptized person is lost forever. After the [Second Vatican] Council, this conviction was definitely abandoned. The result was a two-sided, deep crisis. Without this attentiveness to the salvation, the Faith loses its foundation”.
    He also speaks of a “profound evolution of Dogma” with respect to the Dogma that there is no salvation outside the Church. This purported change of dogma has led, in the pope's eyes, to a loss of the missionary zeal in the Church – “any motivation for a future missionary commitment was removed.” Pope Benedict asks the piercing question that arose after this palpable change of attitude of the Church: “Why should you try to convince the people to accept the Christian faith when they can be saved even without it?” As to the other consequences of this new attitude in the Church, the Catholics themselves, in Benedict's eyes, are less attached to their Faith: If there are those who can save their souls with other means, “why should the the Christian be bound to the necessity of the Christian Faith and its morality?”


    I think that only a so-called Feeneyite can understand what B16 is saying here. I've highlighted the expressions/words that reveal his mindset here, actually no different than Bishop Fellays or practically all non-Feeneyites. B16 believes that some Muslim, Hindu’s, Buddhist etc can be saved.

    Also, notice that he uses the term "Christian", which to him includes the Eastern Orthodox, Lutherans, Anglicans, Calvinists, etc. He hints at it where he says "the Catholics themselves". B16 believes that those heretics and schismatics can be saved.

    CHRISTIAN. A name first given to the followers of our Lord at Antioch (Acts xi, 26). Since the rise of Protestantism the name has been used in so many different senses as to have become almost meaningless: it may indicate a Catholic or a Unitarian, or even be applied to an infidel who displays some virtue which is associated with Christ. It may reasonably be applied to the members of all the ancient churches whether in communion with the Holy See or not, and to those Protestants who profess, explicitly -or implicitly, the Nicean creed in its traditional Interpretation. The Church puts no definite official meaning on the word, as she does on Catholic. (Catholic Dictionary, Donald Attwater, 1958, TAN Books)
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    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. Mat 24:24

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    Pope Benedict reminds us of the formerly indispensable Catholic conviction of the possibility of the loss of eternal salvation, or that people go to hell:
    “The missionaries of the 16th century were convinced that the unbaptized person is lost forever. After the [Second Vatican] Council, this conviction was definitely abandoned. The result was a two-sided, deep crisis. Without this attentiveness to the salvation, the Faith loses its foundation”.
    He also speaks of a “profound evolution of Dogma” with respect to the Dogma that there is no salvation outside the Church. This purported change of dogma has led, in the pope's eyes, to a loss of the missionary zeal in the Church – “any motivation for a future missionary commitment was removed.” Pope Benedict asks the piercing question that arose after this palpable change of attitude of the Church: “Why should you try to convince the people to accept the Christian faith when they can be saved even without it?” As to the other consequences of this new attitude in the Church, the Catholics themselves, in Benedict's eyes, are less attached to their Faith: If there are those who can save their souls with other means, “why should the the Christian be bound to the necessity of the Christian Faith and its morality?”


    I think that only a so-called Feeneyite can understand what B16 is saying here. I've highlighted the expressions/words that reveal his mindset here, actually no different than Bishop Fellays or practically all non-Feeneyites. B16 believes that some Muslim, Hindu’s, Buddhist etc can be saved.
    Non-Feeneyites can understand him, too. Pope Benedict doesn't say "that the person lacking a water baptism is lost forever".
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    March 16, 2016 (LifeSiteNews.com) -- On March 16, speaking publicly on a rare occasion, Pope Benedict XVI gave an interview to Avvenire, the daily newspaper of the Italian Bishops' Conference, in which he spoke of a “two-sided deep crisis” the Church is facing in the wake of the Second Vatican Council. The report has already hit Germany courtesy of Vaticanist Guiseppe Nardi, of the German Catholic news website Katholisches.info.

    Pope Benedict reminds us of the formerly indispensable Catholic conviction of the possibility of the loss of eternal salvation, or that people go to hell:
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    The missionaries of the 16th century were convinced that the unbaptized person is lost forever. After the [Second Vatican] Council, this conviction was definitely abandoned. The result was a two-sided, deep crisis. Without this attentiveness to the salvation, the Faith loses its foundation.
    He also speaks of a “profound evolution of Dogma” with respect to the Dogma that there is no salvation outside the Church. This purported change of dogma has led, in the pope's eyes, to a loss of the missionary zeal in the Church – “any motivation for a future missionary commitment was removed.” Pope Benedict asks the piercing question that arose after this palpable change of attitude of the Church: “Why should you try to convince the people to accept the Christian faith when they can be saved even without it?” As to the other consequences of this new attitude in the Church, the Catholics themselves, in Benedict's eyes, are less attached to their Faith: If there are those who can save their souls with other means, “why should the the Christian be bound to the necessity of the Christian Faith and its morality?” asked the pope. And he concludes: “But if Faith and Salvation are not any more interdependent, even Faith becomes less motivating.”

    Pope Benedict also refutes both the idea of the “anonymous Christian” as developed by Karl Rahner, as well as the indifferentist idea that all religions are equally valuable and helpful to attain eternal life. He says: “Even less acceptable is the solution proposed by the pluralistic theories of religion, for which all religions, each in its own way, would be ways of salvation and, in this sense, must be considered equivalent  in their effects.” In this context, he also touches upon the exploratory  ideas of the now-deceased Jesuit Cardinal, Henri de Lubac, about Christ's putatively “vicarious substitutions” which have to be now again “further reflected upon.” That is to say, Christ's own acts in the place of others in order to save them eternally.

    With regard to man's relation to technology and to love, Pope Benedict reminds us of the importance of human affection, saying that man still yearns in his heart “that the Good Samaritan come to his aid.” He continues: “In the harshness of the world of technology – in which feelings to not count anymore – the hope for a saving love grows, a love which would be given freely and generously.” Benedict also reminds his audience that: “The Church is not self-made, it was created by God and is continuously formed by Him. This finds expression in the Sacraments, above all in that of Baptism: I enter into the Church not by a bureaucratic act, but with the help of this Sacrament.” Benedict also insists that, always, “we need Grace and forgiveness.”


     :shocked: This sounds like a man speaking with a view of his own Eternity.


    More so than we'll ever know.

    I've been getting into Malachi Martin during Lent, and he made a comment during one of his radio talks that was stunning: he said that Paul Vi (it seems they were friends) had "lost his faith" but "regained" it near the end of his life. Some context is extremely important: over the course of this radio interview, he spoke about the plot to destroy the Church, with one element being a cabal of high ranking Churchmen who sought JPII and other papal resignations, after which they would install a Pontiff that was one of them. It seems that although JPII was a bad Pope, he resisted; BXVI could not resist, and we now have Francis
    who seems quite obviously a Modernist. Their mission is nearly accomplished (their aim is to eventually have a Church without a Pope: they want to have a rapid cycle of Papal resignations in order to acclimatize "Catholics" to the idea of a Church without a Pope, until they finally abolish the papacy).

    We rarely think of the gravity or magnitude of the effects of every Pope's actions, and the effect on the condition of their souls, but I think BXVI and Paul VI were never spiritually fit in the first place and couldn't resist the spiritual, psychological, and intellectual onslaught of what it means to be Pope. I like to think of Modernism and moral nihilism as spiritual viruses with which we've all been infected. There's a cure and it's called traditional doctrine, but we have the potential to be repeatedly re-infected because of the overwhelming onslaught of the word's impurity.

    Good Popes have to understand the ripple effects of sin in every action, but also in intellectual thought and philosophy and with every single social or spiritual issues that comes before them. These spiritually unfit men, in my opinion, couldn't do it because they were spiritually contaminated. Once there's some clarity through grace and repentance, I get the sense that they began to understand the magnitude of what they yielded to -- that the effects of their decisions as lone men would last decades and would imperil the souls of millions. I think the grief, remorse, sorrow, and shame that they are confronted with may also be supernatural in nature, a kind of mortification from God... We've all experienced it to a certain degree when we sin (if a person doesn't feel it, I'd bet money that they're surely damned).

    When I consider it this way, it makes it incredibly impressive and stunning that Pope Saint Pius X became a Saint. In order to not only withstand that kind of onslaught (a lot of it supernatural/preternatural), but to demonstrate heroic virtue is astonishing. It also makes it apparent how much I lack that kind of spiritual willingness in my little station in life if I can't even overcome temptations and moral quandaries that are comparatively minor.

     
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    And oftentimes, to win us to our harm,
    The instruments of darkness tell us truths,
    Win us with honest trifles, to betray's
    In deepest consequence.." Banquo, from Shakespeare's Macbeth

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  • All who come across that article and read that all of the saintly missionaries believed in the necessity of faith and baptism for salvation have a serious moral obligation to prayerfully attempt to learn what the Church in her highest authority teaches on the matter. One cannot content themselves with the fallible teachings that can be found in Catechisms, a pastoral council, or a letter written in the 1940's from one bishop to another, when it can be demonstrated that such teachings are at odds with what all of the great saints believed.

    Fr. Wathen observed that the left-wing liberals are more honest than the right-wing liberals. The left-wing liberals will admit that salvation for non-Catholics via the "baptism of implicit desire" is a novel teaching that none of the great missionaries believed in, while the right-wing liberals pretend that it has been a universal doctrine. We see this here with the left-wing liberal Ratzinger. He openly admits that there has been an "evolution of dogma" (and of course has no problem with that). The right-wing liberal will not admit that Fr. Feeney upheld the dogma of faith in the same sense as all of the great missionaries and that the teaching held by many traditional societies of salvation for non-Catholics without conversion is the real novelty.



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  • B16 himself presumes that he will be saved, the very attitude that he is supposedly writing against.  I seriously doubt that he will be saved. I do not think that many priests are saved but that those that perish are far more numerous. The reason is that the office requires a great soul. For there are many things to make a priest swerve from rectitude, and he requires great vigilance on every side. Do you not perceive how many qualities a bishop must have that he may be apt to teach; patient towards the wicked, firm and faithful in teaching the Word? How many difficulties therein.

    Moreover the loss of others is imputed to him. I need say no more. If but one dies without baptism, does it not entirely endanger his salvation? For the loss of one soul is so great an evil as no man can understand. If the salvation of one soul is of such importance that, for its sake, the Son of God became man and suffered so much, think of the penalty the loss of one soul will entail.
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    All who come across that article and read that all of the saintly missionaries believed in the necessity of faith and baptism for salvation have a serious moral obligation to prayerfully attempt to learn what the Church in her highest authority teaches on the matter. One cannot content themselves with the fallible teachings that can be found in Catechisms, a pastoral council, or a letter written in the 1940's from one bishop to another, when it can be demonstrated that such teachings are at odds with what all of the great saints believed.

    Fr. Wathen observed that the left-wing liberals are more honest than the right-wing liberals. The left-wing liberals will admit that salvation for non-Catholics via the "baptism of implicit desire" is a novel teaching that none of the great missionaries believed in, while the right-wing liberals pretend that it has been a universal doctrine. We see this here with the left-wing liberal Ratzinger. He openly admits that there has been an "evolution of dogma" (and of course has no problem with that). The right-wing liberal will not admit that Fr. Feeney upheld the dogma of faith in the same sense as all of the great missionaries and that the teaching held by many traditional societies of salvation for non-Catholics without conversion is the real novelty.





    Well said!
    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.