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Offline poche

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« on: November 20, 2013, 02:28:01 AM »
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  • Pope Francis has placed a personal phone call to a traditionalist Catholic writer who had criticized the Pontiff, assuring the journalist that he knew his criticisms were motivated by love for the Church.

    Mario Palmaro, who is gravely ill, said that he had been “astonished, amazed, above all moved” by the call from the Pontiff. He said that the Pope had expressed his sympathy for his medical condition. When Palmaro ventured to assure the Pope that he had intended his criticism to be constructive, he said: “The Pope almost did not let me finish the sentence” before assuring him that he appreciated the criticism.

    Palmaro expressed some displeasure that the media had learned about the phone call from the Pope, which was “of an absolutely private nature.” He said that he would have preferred to keep the conversation private, and that “the Pontiff would never have been known. Also because the Pontiff obviously had no intention that his gesture be made public, as well as the contents of our conversation.”

    http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=19712


    Offline poche

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    « Reply #1 on: November 20, 2013, 04:05:52 AM »
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  • Yes, it's true. I received the telephone call by the Pope. It happened two weeks ago, November 1st, All Saints. But I naturally kept it to myself. No one was supposed to have known it, it was a conversation of an absolutely private nature. But considering that the [news] agencies have mentioned it..."


    Mario Palmaro, the Italian traditional Catholic writer and journalist who has authored many books and articles together with his friend Alessandro Gnocchi (many of which have been posted in translation here on Rorate) told Italian daily Libero about the fact. In September and October, after a very critical article published in Il Foglio, Palmaro and Gnocchi were summarily fired by Catholic broadcaster Radio Maria after several years of work in the station.


    The phone call, Libero describes, was first reported by Traditionalist website Papale Papale with no mentioned names, and then by VinoNuovo, which mentioned Palmaro, who is currently very ill, by name.


    Palmaro's declarations to Libero on the matter are all mentioned below:
    "It bothers me that the news has been made public, and if it had been up to me, and Alessandro, to whom I revealed it immediately, it would never have been known. Also because the Pontiff obviously had no intention that his gesture be made public, as well as the contents of our conversation".


    "Pope Francis told me that he was very close to me, having learned of my health condition, of my grave illness, and I clearly noticed his deep empathy, the attention for a person as such, beyond ideas and opinions, while I live through a time of trial and suffering."


    "I was astonished, amazed, above all moved: for me, as a Catholic, that which I was experiencing was one of the most beautiful experiences in my life. But I felt the duty to remind the Pope that I, together wih Gnocchi, had expressed specific criticisms regarding his work, while I renewed my total fidelity [to him] as a son of the Church. The Pope almost did not let me finish the sentence, saying that he had understood that those criticisms had been made with love, and how important it had been for him to receive them." [These words] "comforted me greatly."


    [The main duty for Palmaro and Gnocchi] "is that of being lucid and watchful regarding the contents of the Catholic doctrine, and, even in what we wrote in Il Foglio, fidelity to the Pope was never called into question."


    [Palmaro says that] "the removal of the interview granted by Pope Francis to [Italian journalist Eugenio] Scalfari from the Vatican website makes us think that something was wrong in the contents of that text, as we had remarked, among other things."


    Our intention is that of keeping steady on the path that we have always followed, answering before our conscience. This without ever faltering in fidelity to the Pope and the Church, but precisely because of this fidelity and love."

    http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/


    Offline 2Vermont

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    « Reply #2 on: November 20, 2013, 04:39:18 AM »
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  • The Pope almost did not let me finish the sentence


    Short circuit.
    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)

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    « Reply #3 on: November 20, 2013, 06:22:31 AM »
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  • Isn't it amazing how a simple phone call can completely change a person's attitude toward such grave matters?

    I wonder what would happen if Bergoglio made personal calls to Michael Matt, John Vennari, Father Cekada, Bishop Fellay, Bishop Williamson, John Lane, Gerry Matatics, the Dimond Brothers, and a few other English-speaking influential "traditionalists".  How many of them would change their tune in regards to Bergoglio?

    Except for Bishop Fellay, I doubt it would have much of an affect.  Perhaps this Mario Palmaro would be more correctly called a "conservative" Catholic rather than a "traditionalist" Catholic.

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    « Reply #4 on: November 20, 2013, 11:59:43 AM »
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  • Ain't that Pope Francis guy a real sweetheart?   :roll-laugh2:


    Offline Mabel

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    « Reply #5 on: November 20, 2013, 01:19:15 PM »
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  • Quote from: Capt McQuigg
    Ain't that Pope Francis guy a real sweetheart?   :roll-laugh2:


    He never calls me!

     :kick-can:


     :clown:

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    « Reply #6 on: November 20, 2013, 01:28:34 PM »
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  • Quote from: Capt McQuigg
    Ain't that Pope Francis guy a real sweetheart?   :roll-laugh2:


    He's humble.  It is more important how people feel than what they believe.  Truth is relative it is the warm and fuzzy's that count.  

    Just to be safe I will add that I'm joking.  
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church

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    « Reply #7 on: November 20, 2013, 02:40:44 PM »
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  • Offline 2Vermont

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    « Reply #8 on: November 20, 2013, 03:31:08 PM »
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  • Quote from: LoverOfTradition
    It's not humility. It's this:

    http://traditioninaction.org/HotTopics/P018_Antics.htm


    Fascinating.  I never knew there was any Taoist connection.
    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)

    Offline poche

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    « Reply #9 on: November 20, 2013, 10:36:44 PM »
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  • Quote from: Mabel
    Quote from: Capt McQuigg
    Ain't that Pope Francis guy a real sweetheart?   :roll-laugh2:


    He never calls me!

     :kick-can:


     :clown:

    Does he have your phone number?
     :kick-can: :kick-can: :kick-can:

    Offline StCeciliasGirl

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    « Reply #10 on: November 20, 2013, 10:56:29 PM »
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  • Quote from: LoverOfTradition
    It's not humility. It's this:

    http://traditioninaction.org/HotTopics/P018_Antics.htm


    Or this  :scared2:

    I don't like this mind-control-over-the-phone stuff, and atheists being lured in by him stuff. If I get a call from Rome, I'm popping the battery from my phone. And then some of that Exorcist stuff will probably happen and the phone will ring anyway.

    Seriously, this way he has of fooling even the elect is freaking me out. DON'T send him your number. He probably already has it.

    People thought I was joking about hiding from him in Rome this summer. OH NO. Those little twisty streets? I expected him to pop up from anywhere. Couldn't WAIT to get out of that place. You could see the smog rising like a dark blanket (trevi and the usual haunts were nice though, but I was still expecting Frank to POP UP). We went on into the lands he won't step foot in (Calabria) where you could get some fresh air. Literally and figuratively.
    Legem credendi, lex statuit supplicandi

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    « Reply #11 on: November 20, 2013, 11:19:11 PM »
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  • Quote from: poche
    Quote from: Mabel
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    Ain't that Pope Francis guy a real sweetheart?   :roll-laugh2:


    He never calls me!

     :kick-can:


     :clown:

    Does he have your phone number?
     :kick-can: :kick-can: :kick-can:


    Nothing is private, I'm sure he could get it if he really wanted. He's not trying hard enough, guess I'm not worth it.

     :kick-can:

    Off to be depressed.

    Offline poche

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    « Reply #12 on: November 21, 2013, 12:24:58 AM »
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  • Quote from: Mabel
    Quote from: poche
    Quote from: Mabel
    Quote from: Capt McQuigg
    Ain't that Pope Francis guy a real sweetheart?   :roll-laugh2:


    He never calls me!

     :kick-can:


     :clown:

    Does he have your phone number?
     :kick-can: :kick-can: :kick-can:


    Nothing is private, I'm sure he could get it if he really wanted. He's not trying hard enough, guess I'm not worth it.

     :kick-can:

    Off to be depressed.

    Maybe if you wrote him a letter taht included your phone number.
     :laugh1: :laugh1: :laugh1:

    Offline Neil Obstat

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    « Reply #13 on: November 21, 2013, 12:29:13 AM »
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  • .


    Connecting the dots, I followed this lead:


    Quote from: 2Vermont
    Quote from: LoverOfTradition
    It's not humility. It's this:

    http://traditioninaction.org/HotTopics/P018_Antics.htm


    Fascinating.  I never knew there was any Taoist connection.


    ..........and.............




    warning:



    SHOWSTOPPER:




    Our docent on this tour takes us to a special antechamber where a most curious
    exhibit is found.......






    Source:  THE TAOIST BACKGROUND OF JORGE BERGOGLIO


    We are given closeups of the eyes of well-known people, which exhibit a "gaze"
    the author deems redolent of demonic possession:







    We are then asked to guess to whom these various gazes belong.




    I am proud to say I guessed one of them, #5, as Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger,
    a.k.a. Benedict XVI.  However, I regret to admit I did not see it in #10, also.
    Nor did I see in the subsequent frame the eyes of one Manson, as in Charles.



    But boy, was I in for a surprise!  





    Take a look at THE ANSWER PAGE!!!





















    I might be alone in this, but to me the creepiest is #17, Friedrich Nietzsche.



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    Offline Neil Obstat

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    « Reply #14 on: November 21, 2013, 12:46:05 AM »
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    Don't get me wrong:  Aleister Crowley, Madamme Blavotsky, Vladimir Lenin,
    Grigori Rasputin, Charles Manson, Adolf Hitler, Antonio Gramsci, Anton Lavey
    and Leon Trotsky are not a fair dinkum shade from creepy, still, it seems to
    me that the nefarious mover of false philosophy, Neitzsche, takes the cake
    in the EYES department.  


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