Author Topic: Pope BXVI: "Only the Truth Saves" (Read 2210 times)

Ethelred · « **Reply #15 on:** December 22, 2010, 04:26:14 AM »

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stevus:
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You are selectively quoting ABL.

This is an opportunity for you to select other quotes from the Archbishop which soften or mitigate the blows of those quotes I have provided above, or, for that matter, contradict them in any way. Good hunting.

Hollingsworth, I love your gusto for Archbishop Lefebvre. It's a good sign. Indeed all he said is still valid today, or maybe it's even more valid today (concerning these "conversations" with apostate Vatican II Rome).

So it's a great help for us, too.
Btw, Krah never ever quotes Archbishop Lefebvre. Naturally...

Back to topic: I don't think the Pope knows what he says ("Only the Truth saves"). Only the day he dumps Vatican II he understands. I don't think this will happen however with this pope.

stevusmagnus · « **Reply #16 on:** December 22, 2010, 07:38:46 AM »

As I said before, show me where ABL publicly chastised Rome and the Pope during the 88 negotiations.

If you can't do it, you need to admit that BF is doing nothing wrong by not doing so now.

hollingsworth · « **Reply #17 on:** December 22, 2010, 08:35:39 AM »

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As I said before, show me where ABL publicly chastised Rome and the Pope during the 88 negotiations.

You're oviously on the run, Stevus. I do not happen to know what ABL said or didn't say during the "88 negotiations," Perhaps you do. Please, submit some quotes from the Archbishop during that period, which, in your mind anyway, would mitigate the quotes I have supplied in an earlier post. If you can not do this, then I will begin to think that you are probably phonier than a four dollar bill!

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #18 on:** December 22, 2010, 12:08:13 PM »

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Bishop Fellay is not betraying anything. He has common sense and prudence which is why he was chosen to be Superior General. Any idiot knows you don't go unneccessarily irritating a party you are in discussions with by spouting polemical rhetoric. The Society has made principled stands against the post-conciliar revolution even after the negotiations started, including comments critical of the Pope's new book on their website. Just because the Society is not shouting insults towards the Pope doesn't mean they are sell-outs who have lost the Faith.

When ABL was talking and meeting with Rome, was the Society at the same time callling the Pope names publicly? I highly doubt it. It would be stupid. Rome has done the same and is not "calling out" the Society as the talks ensue. Both sides toned down the rhetoric to build an atmosphere where both sides could talk without unneccessary polemics, tensions, and animosity.

Never said that. Just saying that unless Fellay is faking the whole thing that he has not been loyal to Bishop Williamson or Traditionalism in general.

stevusmagnus · « **Reply #19 on:** December 22, 2010, 04:32:11 PM »

I claimed that any idiot knows you don't go spouting polemical rhetoric to a party you are in discussions with.

In response you cited a bunch of quotes from ABL. You've demonstrated so far that exactly zero of these were uttered publicly during the 88 negotiations. This was my entire point.

If you are claiming ABL to be an example of spewing public polemics against Rome during the discussions, back it up or else retract it. As it stands you've given zero evidence to back up the absurd claim that BF is a traitor to ABL by not doing something ABL himself never did.

hollingsworth · « **Reply #20 on:** December 22, 2010, 06:22:27 PM »

stevus:

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If you are claiming ABL to be an example of spewing public polemics against Rome during the discussions, back it up or else retract it. As it stands you've given zero evidence to back up the absurd claim that BF is a traitor to ABL by not doing something ABL himself never did.

Stop reframing the argument. Fellay was in charge long before any doctrinal discussions were ever begun. Forget this "during discussions." Don't hem me in. Has +F ever, at any time, condemned Rome and the Conciliar Church in the manner of the Archbishop? Let me answer for you: Never!

stevusmagnus · « **Reply #21 on:** December 22, 2010, 07:23:29 PM »

"Hem you in"? Did you even read my statement and your response? It was all in the context of discussions!