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Pope Benedict forced into "retirement"
« on: March 16, 2017, 02:44:50 PM »
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  • Italian archbishop: Pope Benedict retired due to ‘tremendous pressure’
     March 7, 2017 (LifeSiteNews) – An Italian archbishop close to Pope Benedict XVI says the former pope decided to resign as a result of “tremendous pressure.”

    Archbishop Luigi Negri who says he has visited Pope Benedict “several times” since his resignation in 2013, is the only Italian bishop to have ever participated in the annual pro-life march in Rome. Negri resigned as archbishop of Ferrara-Comacchio in February after reaching the mandatory retirement age of 75.

    In an article published Monday by news outlet Rimini 2.0, Archbishop Negri said that while he has little knowledge of the inner workings of the Curia, “I am certain that the truth will emerge one day showing grave liability both inside and outside the Vatican.”

    “It is no coincidence that in America, even on the basis of what has been published by Wikileaks, some Catholic groups have asked President Trump to open a commission of inquiry to investigate whether the administration of Barack Obama exerted pressure on Benedict,” he said. It remains shrouded in mystery for now, he said, “but I am sure that those responsible will be found out.”

    Concluding the point, he said that as he approaches his death the first question he will ask St. Peter will be “exactly about this issue.”

    In his February 11, 2013 speech where he announced his resignation, Pope Benedict XVI cited his deteriorating “strength of mind and body” leading to his “incapacity to adequately fulfill the ministry entrusted” to him. He noted that he renounced the papacy with “full freedom”

    Nevertheless, the resignation, unprecedented in modern history, sent shockwaves throughout the world with a flurry of suggestions that Benedict was forced to resign. The concerns were reinforced by words that Benedict himself said at his own election to pontificate in 2005. At his first Mass as Pope, the Holy Father said, “Pray for me, that I may not flee for fear of the wolves.”

    Archbishop Negri was also asked about the dubia of the four Cardinals – Burke, Brandmuller, Caffarra and Meisner – who are seeking a clarification from Pope Francis on Amoris Laetitia.

    “Amoris Laetitia needs clarification, unfortunately, the current leader of the Church still remains silent,” he said. “I think that the Holy Father should respond, although he seems to have decided to the contrary.”

    “Unfortunately it has unleashed a real hysteria against these four cardinals who were all blamed,” the archbishop said. He called the suggestion of some to remove them from the College of Cardinals “disgusting.”
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    Pope Benedict forced into "retirement"
    « Reply #1 on: March 16, 2017, 03:12:40 PM »
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  • If this is true, his resignation was invalid.
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    Pope Benedict forced into "retirement"
    « Reply #2 on: March 16, 2017, 03:26:20 PM »
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  • The modernist regime I imagine would have played upon technicalities to lead to Benedict XVI resignation without actual illicit external pressure.
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    Pope Benedict forced into "retirement"
    « Reply #3 on: March 16, 2017, 03:50:00 PM »
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  • Quote from: Geremia
    If this is true, his resignation was invalid.


    Would depend on the nature and degree of the pressure.  But we can't read his mind.  B16 declared that he resigned with full freedom, and we can't read into the internal forum to determine how true that was.

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    Pope Benedict forced into "retirement"
    « Reply #4 on: March 16, 2017, 05:23:09 PM »
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  • Piecing together a few cuttings:  :detective:

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    Bank of Italy Suspends Vatican Debit, Credit Card Payments
    Friday, 04 Jan 2013 06:47 AM
    http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/bank-italy-vatican-money/2013/01/04/id/470013/


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    DECLARATIO
    http://w2.vatican.va/content/benedict-xvi/en/speeches/2013/february/docuмents/hf_ben-xvi_spe_20130211_declaratio.html

    Feb 11th 2013


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    Vatican can take credit cards again
    by Mark Thompson   @MarkThompsonCNN February 12, 2013: 11:39 AM ET
    http://money.cnn.com/2013/02/12/news/economy/vatican-payments/


    Business as usual!  :clown:

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    Re: Pope Benedict forced into "retirement"
    « Reply #5 on: March 20, 2017, 08:46:40 PM »
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  • Piecing together a few cuttings:  :detective:







    Business as usual!  :clown:
    Good work Nadir! It's as clear as the noses in front of our faces. It all fits. This kind of pressure would mean that his so-called "resignation" was forced, and therefore invalid. If wonder if Trump will respond to the request from the group of Catholics who asked him to look into the meddling surrounding the resignation of Benedict.
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    Re: Pope Benedict forced into "retirement"
    « Reply #6 on: March 27, 2017, 01:25:30 PM »
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  • I heard an interview on You Tube with Fr. Paul Walker who had stated that the election of Benedict to begin with was "rigged." A group of Cardinals wanted Bergolgio even then as the Pontiff. This group agreed to vote for Benedict if he agreed to retire after serving a certain amount of years. Do not know for sure if this is true. But interesting never the less. 

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    Re: Pope Benedict forced into "retirement"
    « Reply #7 on: March 27, 2017, 06:27:05 PM »
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  • “Unfortunately it has unleashed a real hysteria against these four cardinals who were all blamed,” the archbishop said. He called the suggestion of some to remove them from the College of Cardinals “disgusting.”
    Has there ever been a pope removed from office?
    I am far from a scholar but have studied the papacy to some extent and never heard of such. I am sure there is a procedure for when a pope is "senile" or what have you...
    there is something terribly wrong w/ Pope F


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    Re: Pope Benedict forced into "retirement"
    « Reply #8 on: March 27, 2017, 08:44:05 PM »
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  • Has there ever been a pope removed from office? I am far from a scholar but have studied the papacy to some extent and never heard of such. 
    Yes, if the Wikipedia is to be believed, there were Sylvester III, Benedict V, Benedict IX and Gregory VI. 


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    I am sure there is a procedure for when a pope is "senile" or what have you... 
    There is no provision made for such an eventuality, or in the case of any physical impairment.
     

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    there is something terribly wrong w/ Pope F
    Many here would concur.
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    Re: Pope Benedict forced into "retirement"
    « Reply #9 on: April 11, 2017, 12:39:57 AM »
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  • Life Site News has been found unreliable at times.

    I do not think Benedict XVI lied regarding his formal resignation.

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    Conscientia mea iterum atque iterum coram Deo explorata ad cognitionem certam perveni vires meas ingravescente aetate non iam aptas esse ad munus Petrinum aeque administrandum.

    ...ad navem Sancti Petri gubernandam et ad annuntiandum Evangelium etiam vigor quidam corporis et animae necessarius est, qui ultimis mensibus in me modo tali minuitur, ut incapacitatem meam ad ministerium mihi commissum bene administrandum agnoscere debeam.

    Quapropter bene conscius ponderis huius actus plena libertate declaro me ministerio Episcopi Romae, Successoris Sancti Petri, mihi per manus Cardinalium die 19 aprilis MMV commisso renuntiare ita ut a die 28 februarii MMXIII, hora 20, sedes Romae, sedes Sancti Petri vacet et Conclave ad eligendum novum Summum Pontificem ab his quibus competit convocandum esse.
    Why not just accept his words, especially when speaking as Successor of Peter.

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    Re: Pope Benedict forced into "retirement"
    « Reply #10 on: April 14, 2017, 02:36:19 PM »
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  • Benedict prayed for strength not to flee from the "wolves" at the Vatican?

    I always wondered if Pope JP II traveled a lot for the same reason.. to escape the wolves

    God knows but if a person can think such a thing..

    I guess it is one of those proverbial "open secrets" that there are Masons and other satanic-minded people @ the Vatican

    it is my u/standing that sedavacantists claim the last valid pope was Pius XII?

    if you know the answer please confirm or deny this


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    Re: Pope Benedict forced into "retirement"
    « Reply #11 on: April 14, 2017, 03:10:38 PM »
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  • Benedict prayed for strength not to flee from the "wolves" at the Vatican?

    I always wondered if Pope JP II traveled a lot for the same reason.. to escape the wolves

    God knows but if a person can think such a thing..

    I guess it is one of those proverbial "open secrets" that there are Masons and other satanic-minded people @ the Vatican

    it is my u/standing that sedavacantists claim the last valid pope was Pius XII?

    if you know the answer please confirm or deny this
    It sepends on the sedavacantist.  I would say most regard Pius XII as the last valid pope, but some regard John XXIII as valid, and some reject Pius XII.  I've even heard of some that reject more.

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    Re: Pope Benedict forced into "retirement"
    « Reply #12 on: April 17, 2017, 06:42:55 PM »
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  • It sepends on the sedavacantist.  I would say most regard Pius XII as the last valid pope, but some regard John XXIII as valid, and some reject Pius XII.  I've even heard of some that reject more.
    so much division in the Church!
    no wonder people stay away from Christianity.. With all that confusion, pagans throw up their hands,shrug their shoulders and say "Who knows the truth? Maybe no one.."
    and end up in Hell..

    It makes me angry that people in general (yes, self included) seem to care more about hanging on to their own private interpretations of the Word and etc... than they do about people getting to Heaven.  I include self but nonetheless, there does come a time when a person begins to u/stand truth, or the parts thereof that God wants us to concern ourselves with.. and I do feel i have gotten to that place more or less (b/c of the Church Christ founded. .)

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    Re: Pope Benedict forced into "retirement"
    « Reply #13 on: April 19, 2017, 12:56:09 AM »
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  • I have never read anything like this before but it was good to know. 

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    Re: Pope Benedict forced into "retirement"
    « Reply #14 on: April 19, 2017, 12:25:14 PM »
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  • John XXIII, Paul VI, JPII, B-16, Bergolio : Same dung different packaging.
    The Vatican II church - Assisting Souls to Hell Since 1962

    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. Mat 24:24