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Offline Dawn

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« on: July 13, 2010, 06:04:15 AM »
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  • Pope Appoints gαy-Friendly Bishop
    to San Francisco


    Benedict XVI has named Msgr.. Robert W. McElroy to be an Auxiliary Bishop in the Archdiocese of San Francisco. The appointment was announced at the Vatican and concurrently in Washington, D.C. by Papal Nuncio Archbishop Pietro Sambi.


    An appointment that pleases the progressivists and 'ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ community'
    It is a happy moment for progressivists who were becoming concerned that this Pope might be moving a bit to the right. Columns in America and National Catholic Reporter have already applauded the appointment of the 56-year-old native San Franciscan who was ordained in 1980. Well, indeed they should, since McElroy receives high scores on their report cards on the burning issues of the day. I offer some examples:
    •By their own admittance, Msgr. McElroy is friendly and compromising on ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity. I will return to this topic shortly.
    •In a 2005 article in America magazine, he openly opposed refusing Communion to or – don’t even think about it! – the excommunication of Catholic politicians who support abortion. A discipline like this would make the Church appear too ‘partisan,’ ‘Republican’ and ‘coercive,’ he argues.
    •In another article, he championed John Courtney Murray – who played a pivotal role in drafting Vatican II’s Declaration on Religious Freedom – as “the most significant Catholic theologian the U.S. ever produced.”
    In short, the new auxiliary Bishop should not rock any boats in the notoriously progressivist and liberal San Francisco Archdiocese (home of Holy Redeemers Parish here, here and here). A native San Franciscan, he is one ‘of their own’ – nurtured and placed in important posts and parishes by progressivist Archbishops John Quinn and William Levada.

    Friendly on ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity

    San Francisco is an important Archdiosese, with its 437,000 Catholics and 457 priests, 79 permanent deacons, and 931 religious. Unfortunately, its progressivist approach and tolerance policy toward ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs have made it a symbolic bastion for the ‘left’ since the early 1980s. Under Archbishop John Quinn it was among the first to open its doors to Dignity ministries and host an openly ‘gαy-friendly’ parish, Holy Redeemer Redeemer (MHR) Catholic Church, a parish that boasts today its open same-sex “married” Eucharistic ministers.


    MHR marching openly in the SF gαy Parade
    In 1992, Quinn made headlines for openly opposing the (very moderate) Vatican docuмent that declared ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs and lesbians do not have the same civil rights as heterosɛҳuąƖs. The docuмent, issued by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF), stated it is morally acceptable to discriminate against ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs in public housing, the adoption of children and in certain types of employment such as teaching.

    It was Fr. Robert McElroy, speaking in the name of the Archdiocese, who announced that despite the Vatican position, “there would be no change in policy regarding discrimination against ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs” in the San Francisco Archdiocese. He explained the defiance by noting that the CDF docuмent was only “advisory” and not “binding.” (1)

    Then Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, prefect of the CDF, made no reprisals for this stance of open defiance to his docuмent or correction to McElroy’s interpretation.

    McElroy’s name appeared again in the news in 2006 as one of the ‘moral theologians’ who managed to find a comfortable compromise position for the Archdiocese regarding arranging adoptions for same-sex ‘couples.’


    Family Builder ads openly promote adoptions by lesbians and ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs  
    When the Archdiocese was instructed by the CDF to end its policy of placing children for adoption in same-sex ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ households, Msgr. McElroy helped find the solutionLSan Francisco Catholic Charities would no longer supervise “direct placement” of adopted children to anyone. Instead, it would send staff members and funding to an organization - Family Builders by Adoption - that helped “lesbian, gαy, bisɛҳuąƖ and transgender coouples” adopt children .(2) For the next two years, Catholic Charities provided close to $250,000 each year for two of its staff to assist with adoptions s at Family Builders

    Msgr. McElroy, already known for his ‘elastic’ views on ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs issues, thus stretched the boundaries of the CDF directive to accommodate those who want to adopt children… The website Queerty.com, a "gαy blog for the queer community," hailed the new partnership as a "brilliant answer to a needless problem."

    After that action, Fr. McElroy was criticized by conservatives as being “out of line with the Vatican.” (3) Since there has been no indication his position has changed on this issue, I wonder how those conservatives will reconcile the fact that today the Vatican has rewarded the dissident pastor and theologian, elevating him to become an Auxiliary Bishop of San Francisco?

    Don’t rock the boat

    One of the lines of defense the Vatican has adopted against the rolling scandal of pedophile priests and its correspondent cover-up by Bishops is to cite experts affirming that clergy pedophilia is a consequence of the general ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ tendency present everywhere.

    I agree that ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs and pedophile priests would both have the same tendencies and sin against nature. But what I do not understand is how the Vatican would choose a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ-friendly Bishop for San Francisco. Isn’t the Vatican promoting both vices at the same time? Wouldn't the San Francisco Archdiocese be a first focus point in the United States to establish Bishops who would employ corrective and disciplinary measures?

    If the Pope truly wants to stem pedophilia in the Church, he should reward men who show no spirit of compromise on ‘gαy’ marriage and ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ ministries. If he wants to reform corrupt dioceses – like the Archdiocese of San Francisco, he should not reward clergy – like Msgr. McElroy – who have openly supported ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity.
    1. The full title of the docuмent issued by the Congregatioin for the Doctrine of the Faith, “Responding to Legislative Proposals on Discriminations against ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs,” Origins, August 6, 1992, pp. 173-177, in Atila Sinke Guimaraes, Vatican II, ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity & Pedophilia, pp. 82-83.
    2. George Neumayr, A Distinction Without A Difference, online article
    3. Ibid.

    Posted June 11, 2010
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    « Reply #1 on: July 13, 2010, 06:11:05 AM »
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  • Such a shame... I think His Holiness is truly trying to merge the traditionalists and novus to one


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    « Reply #2 on: July 13, 2010, 07:00:24 AM »
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  • And, what would that be called then?

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    « Reply #3 on: July 13, 2010, 07:43:34 AM »
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    And, what would that be called then?


    double minded!! he is a man deeply divided and hoping that 2+2=4 and 2+2=5
    Proud "European American" and prouder, still, Catholic

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    « Reply #4 on: July 13, 2010, 07:55:21 AM »
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  •  :applause:


    Offline ServusSpiritusSancti

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    « Reply #5 on: July 13, 2010, 02:05:48 PM »
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    And, what would that be called then?


    A Mass that has both TLM and NO parts is called a hybrid Mass.
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.

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    « Reply #6 on: July 13, 2010, 02:07:02 PM »
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    And, what would that be called then?


    double minded!! he is a man deeply divided and hoping that 2+2=4 and 2+2=5


    True. The modernists have such crazy minds that they think 2+2 can equal anything! To them, it can be 4, 5, 25, heck, it could even be 100!
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.

    Offline Telesphorus

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    « Reply #7 on: July 13, 2010, 02:12:46 PM »
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  • There can be no good reason for such an appointment.


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    « Reply #8 on: July 13, 2010, 09:45:15 PM »
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  • Well isn't that precious?

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    « Reply #9 on: July 13, 2010, 09:48:49 PM »
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  • [ Cue statements of outrage as if this weren't the most predictable thing in the world; repeat the next day, and the next; then repeat the next; then repeat with next "Pope" ]
    Readers: Please IGNORE all my postings here. I was a recent convert and fell into errors, even heresy for which hopefully my ignorance excuses. These include rejecting the "rhythm method," rejecting the idea of "implicit faith," and being brieflfy quasi-Jansenist. I also posted occasions of sins and links to occasions of sin, not understanding the concept much at the time, so do not follow my links.

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    « Reply #10 on: July 13, 2010, 09:49:23 PM »
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  • Hey, Belloc, I'm creeping up on you with the ignores.  Watch your back, Jack.

    I wonder, where do they come from?  Especially in your case. Myrna and Trinity are only two people, and they don't exactly seem like they're "connected."  The ones I've racked up today could be from Jamie or Caminus or those involved with them.
    Readers: Please IGNORE all my postings here. I was a recent convert and fell into errors, even heresy for which hopefully my ignorance excuses. These include rejecting the "rhythm method," rejecting the idea of "implicit faith," and being brieflfy quasi-Jansenist. I also posted occasions of sins and links to occasions of sin, not understanding the concept much at the time, so do not follow my links.


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    « Reply #11 on: July 13, 2010, 09:56:15 PM »
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    Such a shame... I think His Holiness is truly trying to merge the traditionalists and novus to one


    His Holiness? He's a crock...

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    « Reply #12 on: July 13, 2010, 10:38:02 PM »
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  • BXVl is no conservative, he is very liberal and NO.
    It would be a mistake to be united to him, because
    you will lose the faith, and lose your soul.

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    « Reply #13 on: July 13, 2010, 10:47:37 PM »
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  • EcceAgnusDei said:
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    His Holiness? He's a crock...


    They have convinced themselves that it's like with Alexander VI, or someone else taken to be an immoral Renaissance Pope, and that they still have to pay him the lip service of calling him "His Holiness."  

    Don't worry, though.  It's just a formality.  They think he has held the office through a loophole.  Most of them don't really like him and take any opportunity they can to rip him to shreds.  

    This dichotomy is very strong on the SSPX haven of AngelQueen, where at one moment they all act very sincerely loving towards Benedict and say they are going to pray for the Pope and his intentions, and the next they are lobbing insults at him and his absurd Hegelian mealy-mouthed speech.  That is why if I were in the SSPX, I would just keep my mouth shut about the subject, kind of like Matthew does.  I would not take part in this strange masquerade of pretending that I don't know what I know, which is that he is not traditional in any sense of the word.  

    If Matthew becomes a sede, the transition will be smooth and painless because he never really defended Ratzinger.  Hint hint.
    Readers: Please IGNORE all my postings here. I was a recent convert and fell into errors, even heresy for which hopefully my ignorance excuses. These include rejecting the "rhythm method," rejecting the idea of "implicit faith," and being brieflfy quasi-Jansenist. I also posted occasions of sins and links to occasions of sin, not understanding the concept much at the time, so do not follow my links.

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    « Reply #14 on: July 13, 2010, 11:32:50 PM »
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    EcceAgnusDei said:
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    His Holiness? He's a crock...


    Most of them don't really like him and take any opportunity they can to rip him to shreds.  

    If Matthew becomes a sede, the transition will be smooth and painless because he never really defended Ratzinger.  Hint hint.


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