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Offline epiphany

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https://www.theamericanconservative.com/why-wont-pope-defend-persecuted-cardinal-zen/

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"Qualifying China as undemocratic, I do not identify with that, because it's such a complex country..."
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  • It is quite difficult to avoiding praying for Jorge to burn eternally in the deepest part of Hell.


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  • It is quite difficult to avoiding praying for Jorge to burn eternally in the deepest part of Hell.
    Indeed. "Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven..." is what need be prayed for Jorge
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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  • Pope has abandoned Jesus….
    To live with the Saints in Heaven is all bliss and glory....To live with the saints on Earth is just another story!  (unknown)

    Offline Ladislaus

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  • So, Bergoglio has "respect" and "patience" for even the devil-possessed atheistic Communist Chinese:

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    It is not easy to understand the Chinese mentality, but it should be respected, I always respect this.

    But don't you DARE be a wicked Traditional Catholic.  If Bergoglio actually believed in an eternal Hell, he'd put Trad Catholics down at the bottom of the pit with Judas, while Mao would be several levels higher.

    Jєωs?  No problem, they can be saved.  Atheists.  Hey, why not?  Trad Catholics ... they've pretty much committed the unforgivable sin against the Holy Ghost.

    I am getting so sick of the SSPX and R&R types who keep claiming that this man is Catholic.  He's not even remotely Catholic.  But I guess that so long as they have some clown parading around Rome in white vestments, well, that somehow maintains the indefectibility of the Church.

    Just don't ask why it even matters that there be a perpetual (falsely equated by R&R with "perpetually-occupied") papcy when this "papacy" is capable of destroying the faith and the Church.  Behold .. there is Bergoglio with a white cassock, so the Church carries on.  I don't understand the mental defect involved with allowing this to make any sense.

    If the papacy were capable of destroying the faith (instead of serving as the "rock" upon which it remains solid), then we'd have been much better off without a papacy, much less a continually-occupied papacy.  It's only every hundred years or so on average that Papal teaching has to be taken seriously.  Other than in those exceptional and rare circuмstances, Papal "Magisterium" has no more weight than if some lay woman were opining on an internet blog.  In both cases, if it's true, then it's true, but if it's false then it's false.  Whether Ratzinges was writing books as a university professor or whether he was issuing "Encyclicals" as Pope, it's all the same and there's no difference between the two.

    R&R is some kind of mental illness, and those who hold it need psychiatric evaluation.  I'm tired of mincing words here.  More and more people who hold R&R are becoming Old Catholics ... as we see it playing out here on the forum.  While trying, allegedly, to keep the faith, they're destroying it.

    Catholic Encyclopedia article on The Church:
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    Among the prerogatives conferred on His Church by Christ is the gift of indefectibility. By this term is signified, not merely that the Church will persist to the end of time, but further, that it will preserve unimpaired its essential characteristics. The Church can never undergo any constitutional change which will make it, as a social organism, something different from what it was originally. It can never become corrupt in faith or in morals; nor can it ever lose the Apostolic hierarchy, or the sacraments through which Christ communicates grace to men. The gift of indefectibility is expressly promised to the Church by Christ, in the words in which He declares that the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. It is manifest that, could the storms which the Church encounters so shake it as to alter its essential characteristics and make it other than Christ intended it to be, the gates of hell, i.e. the powers of evil, would have prevailed. It is clear, too, that could the Church suffer substantial change, it would no longer be an instrument capable of accomplishing the work for which God called it in to being. He established it that it might be to all men the school of holiness. This it would cease to be if ever it could set up a false and corrupt moral standard.

    This does not mean that every papal utterance is absolutely infallible, but it does mean that the Papal Magisterium in incapable of substatially corrupting or altering the faith, setting up a public orship that is offensive to God and harmful to souls, producing fake "saints" whose examples causes scandal, etc.

    R&R is blasphemous, and those who claim that this is possible, for legitimate papal authority, freely exercised, to do these things, you're just nothing but run-of-the-mill blasphemers ... and heretics.  It's not all that far removed from the sin of blasphemy against the Holy Ghost, by attributing evil to the activity of the Holy Ghost.  None who beleive these things about the Catholic Church should have the temerity to call themselves Catholics.  Probably the only thing saving them from subjective formal heresy is the confusion of these times, and the devil has managed to diabolically disorient, as it were, the brains of even Trad Catholics (of the R&R variety).  You would be much better off playing the coservative-Catholic "hermeneutic of continuity" game and pretending this stuff can be reconcilized (even if through great violence) with Catholicism.


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  • Such evil from Bergoglio Such an evil man - but the evil must be believed and not diffused by those who think they are doing a service to the Church by whitewashing this creature's (Jorge's) rot.  (Full of dead men's bones)

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    https://www.theamericanconservative.com/why-wont-pope-defend-persecuted-cardinal-zen/

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    "Qualifying China as undemocratic, I do not identify with that, because it's such a complex country..."
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    Does this make anyone else think of transgender claims of identifying as the opposite sex? :laugh1:

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    Does this make anyone else think of transgender claims of identifying as the opposite sex? :laugh1:
    That is why I posted the quote.
    The Pope is completely aligned with pervs.


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    The betrayal was made formal under Bergoglio with the selling out of Chinese Catholics to the CCP and has only gotten worse, though his predecessors were working toward those agreements as well. A non-Catholic sect rules the Vatican and prove it every day.
    If the world is against the Truth, then I am against the World. - St. Athanasius
    In necessariis unitas, in dubiis libertas, in omnibus caritas - St. Augistine

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    A non-Catholic sect rules the Vatican and prove it every day.

    Yep.  For Bergoglio to not condemn China, when China is one of the world's worst violators of their own sacrosanct Dogma of Religious Liberty, that suggests he's a conscious agent of destruction.  He has no problem condemning Trads and "identifying with" Trads as being Jansenists and non-Catholics.  Chinese he can't condemn, but Traditional Catholics he condemns every chance he gets.

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  • https://www.theamericanconservative.com/why-wont-pope-defend-persecuted-cardinal-zen/

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    "Qualifying China as undemocratic, I do not identify with that, because it's such a complex country..."
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    Is there anybody else in the world who does not recognize that China is "undemocratic"?


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  • epiphany

    thank you for sharing the americanconservative.com article. The author points out that woke world doesn't care about the genocide of an ancient culture when the perpetrator is the Chinese Communists. If a Christian leader states that we should not allow males to use the women's bathroom woke world will go full throttle. The man who wears a white cassock in Rome certainly is not lifting a finger to help this population who is bearing the brunt of a full out war to erase their culture from the face of the Earth.


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    I am getting so sick of the SSPX and R&R types who keep claiming that this man is Catholic.  He's not even remotely Catholic.  But I guess that so long as they have some clown parading around Rome in white vestments, well, that somehow maintains the indefectibility of the Church.
     Ladislaus


    You are right about him not being Catholic. However, the situation is way worse  than "some clown parading around Rome in white vestments" and the people who know better but continue to uphold the position that he is the Pope are aiding and abetting something that is leading souls to destruction. God have mercy on them. 
    "Adversity is the touchstone of friendship" ~ French Proverb

    '"Prefer nothing to the work of God"  ~ St. Benedict 

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  • Bergolio is a pagan communist who chooses China over Jesus.

    Communists worship themselves.

    Anyone who loves God and country should despise communism and as a country have nothing to do with atheist communist countries.  

    Europe and United States chose the love of money and slave labor of communism.  So many billionaires in the world who profited off of slave labor of communism while small honest businesses are disappearing worldwide.  
    To live with the Saints in Heaven is all bliss and glory....To live with the saints on Earth is just another story!  (unknown)