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Could a new "pope" elected by the N.O. church "undo" the damage of Vatican II?

Yes, he can declare it heretical and anathematize the post-conciliar popes straight to hell!
15 (45.5%)
He can only admit that it was "imprudent" and then return to Tradition while passing the rest over in silence.
3 (9.1%)
No, impossible - he cannot call a General Council ratified by a true pope heretical - that would be admitting defection.
1 (3%)
He can only admit it was a false Council of the Catholic Church at all and the V2 "popes" were false claimants who defected
7 (21.2%)
No man elected by the N.O. church could ever be the pope because the N.O. church and it's clergy are NOT part of the Catholic Church.
5 (15.2%)
I heard there is poisonous fog outside - you should go outside and inhale deeply please.
2 (6.1%)

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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Poll: Could a new "pope" fix the Novus Ordo church and make it Catholic again?
« Reply #15 on: January 04, 2025, 02:05:59 PM »
New Rome has said that V2 must be accepted using “religious assent”; which can be questioned/debated.  

All doctrinal councils must be accepted with a higher, doctrinal assent of Faith.  

It’s apples; oranges. 
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Online Godefroy

Re: Poll: Could a new "pope" fix the Novus Ordo church and make it Catholic again?
« Reply #16 on: January 04, 2025, 03:55:50 PM »
When the Concordat was signed between Napoleon and Pope Pius VII in 1801, the Church recognised all the priests that had sworn to uphold the constitution (Pretres Jureurs) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jureur who had been declared schismatic in 1790.

The Church then decided in 1892, that French Catholics should rally to the republic https://youtu.be/HU9REXei-yE?

There is a real precedent for situation ethics in the Catholic Church. I suspect that should a new pope declare Vatican 2 a heresy, most trads will rally to the Church because the Catholic principle of non-contradiction has been violated so often in Church history. Those who adhere to the principle wind up dead, like Savonarola or the Cristeros. Or just ignored and forgotten like the Petite Eglise https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petite_%C3%89glise
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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Poll: Could a new "pope" fix the Novus Ordo church and make it Catholic again?
« Reply #17 on: January 04, 2025, 05:08:18 PM »
Almost everything you wrote is wrong and unfactual but this phase is easily the worst offender:


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The V2 Magisterium was teaching under the pope for the whole Church
:facepalm:  V2 was for the Latin Church only.
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Offline Meg

Re: Poll: Could a new "pope" fix the Novus Ordo church and make it Catholic again?
« Reply #18 on: January 04, 2025, 05:18:52 PM »
Quote from: Johannes on January 04, 2025, 12:28:40 PM
Read:
Poll: The visibility of the Church: how low can we go? - Crisis in the Church - Catholic Info
(The answers are there, but if you are bad willed nothing will satisfy you - even if I repost it all here.)

As of this moment, this is where the "church" you belong to  is:

"Where Peter is there is the Church." St. Ambrose.



That's real cute and all, but I asked you where YOUR church is. Or maybe you have no idea where it is. 

Where is your church? 
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Offline Meg

Re: Poll: Could a new "pope" fix the Novus Ordo church and make it Catholic again?
« Reply #19 on: January 04, 2025, 05:35:37 PM »
Quote from: Johannes on January 04, 2025, 05:30:05 PM
I can tell you where it is NOT.

It is NOT with you and that sect that uses the name "Catholic" run by the "beast of the apocalypse" Jorge.

I already pointed you to the info - no more for you.


So no more of your divine wisdom for me? That's so sad!
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