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Could a new "pope" elected by the N.O. church "undo" the damage of Vatican II?

Yes, he can declare it heretical and anathematize the post-conciliar popes straight to hell!
15 (45.5%)
He can only admit that it was "imprudent" and then return to Tradition while passing the rest over in silence.
3 (9.1%)
No, impossible - he cannot call a General Council ratified by a true pope heretical - that would be admitting defection.
1 (3%)
He can only admit it was a false Council of the Catholic Church at all and the V2 "popes" were false claimants who defected
7 (21.2%)
No man elected by the N.O. church could ever be the pope because the N.O. church and it's clergy are NOT part of the Catholic Church.
5 (15.2%)
I heard there is poisonous fog outside - you should go outside and inhale deeply please.
2 (6.1%)

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Offline Meg

Re: Poll: Could a new "pope" fix the Novus Ordo church and make it Catholic again?
« Reply #5 on: January 03, 2025, 04:32:10 PM »
Quote from: Johannes on January 03, 2025, 04:11:43 PM


Your response is kind of creepy. And weird. 



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Re: Poll: Could a new "pope" fix the Novus Ordo church and make it Catholic again?
« Reply #6 on: January 03, 2025, 04:58:27 PM »
Option Z:
When (not if) God blesses the world with a True, Orthodox pope, he will do the following, related to V2:

1.  Confirm (as all V2 popes have said) that V2 was a non-doctrinal, ecuмenical council...the first in church history.
a.  Because it was non-doctrinal, then it was not protected by infallibility, per V1.
b.  Because J23/Paul6 did not use infallibility, then V2 docuмents can contain error.
c.  A true pope will "correct" V2 in detail...or he will throw it out altogether and teach authoritatively where the council was wrong.

2.  The issue of the orthodoxy of the V2 popes is a separate issue, since each of them deviated from the Faith in various, different and unique ways.  All of them will be condemned as heretics, but each "V2 papacy" will have to be examined and explained on its own, as each was unique in heresy and error.
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Offline Meg

Re: Poll: Could a new "pope" fix the Novus Ordo church and make it Catholic again?
« Reply #7 on: January 03, 2025, 05:59:11 PM »
Quote from: Johannes on January 03, 2025, 04:11:43 PM


For someone who seems to have such animosity for Pope Francis, you sure do post a lot of photos of him. Perhaps you secretly admire him? 
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Offline Meg

Re: Poll: Could a new "pope" fix the Novus Ordo church and make it Catholic again?
« Reply #8 on: January 03, 2025, 07:10:02 PM »
Quote from: Johannes on January 03, 2025, 06:51:20 PM
"Admire"... No, I wish I could say that it was that simple and I did just simply "admire" him, and this was all just a secret, deeply, repressed fetish of mine.


But simply "admire" will not do.



Now, when it comes to Jorge Bergoglio and people like you, the correct term is Wonderment.

won·der·ment
noun
  • a state of awed admiration or respect:



Wonderment... that someone so obviously a "beast of the Apocalypse" (St. Bernard) you say is the Vicar of Jesus Christ of Roman Catholic Church and your Holy Father.



Wonderment... at your obstinacy, blindness, and sheer stupidity to think that such a man could be the Head of the Catholic Church when he is clearly not even a member of it.



Wonderment... that you remain attached to a Head that is "severed from the Body" (Pius XII) and still think you can simultaneously remain attached to the Body.


Yes, Wonderment... that it is actually you who "admire" him.

"And all the earth was in admiration after the beast." Apocalypse 13:3

"That beast of the Apocalypse is sitting on the Throne of Peter waiting like a lion ready to consume his prey."  - St. Bernard




Okay....and yet...I'm not obsessed with Pope Francis as you seem to be, and I do not post photos of him. And yet you do post photos of him, quite often.
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Offline DecemRationis

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Re: Poll: Could a new "pope" fix the Novus Ordo church and make it Catholic again?
« Reply #9 on: January 04, 2025, 07:35:52 AM »
Quote from: Johannes on January 03, 2025, 06:51:20 PM

"Admire"... No, I wish I could say that it was that simple and I did just simply "admire" him, and this was all just a secret, deeply, repressed fetish of mine.


But simply "admire" will not do.



Now, when it comes to Jorge Bergoglio and people like you, the correct term is Wonderment.

won·der·ment
noun

  • a state of awed admiration or respect:



Wonderment... that someone so obviously a "beast of the Apocalypse" (St. Bernard) you say is the Vicar of Jesus Christ of Roman Catholic Church and your Holy Father.



Wonderment... at your obstinacy, blindness, and sheer stupidity to think that such a man could be the Head of the Catholic Church when he is clearly not even a member of it.



Wonderment... that you remain attached to a Head that is "severed from the Body" (Pius XII) and still think you can simultaneously remain attached to the Body.


Yes, Wonderment... that it is actually you who "admire" him.


"And all the earth was in admiration after the beast." Apocalypse 13:3

"That beast of the Apocalypse is sitting on the Throne of Peter waiting like a lion ready to consume his prey."  - St. Bernard



Ah, wonderment, wonder. 

Merriam Webster:


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wonderment
noun
won·der·ment ˈwən-dər-mənt 


Synonyms of wonderment
1: a cause of or occasion for wonder

2: astonishment, surprise

3: curiosity about something

wonder
1 of 3
noun
won·der ˈwən-dər 


Synonyms of wonder
1a: a cause of astonishment or admiration : marvel

it's a wonder you weren't killed
the pyramid is a wonder to behold

Scripture:


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Mark 6:6   And he wondered because of their unbelief, and he went through the villages round about teaching

2 Thessalonians 2: 9   Whose coming is according to the working of Satan, in all power, and signs, and lying wonders,

Some, like the Jews, will look for physical "signs." John 6:30, 1 Cor. 1:22 etc. But I think we are seeing the prophesied End Times Biblical "lying wonders." 





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