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Traditional Catholic Faith => Crisis in the Church => Topic started by: Johannes on January 19, 2025, 04:10:54 PM

Title: Poll: Can one belong to another faith/religion and still be Catholic?
Post by: Johannes on January 19, 2025, 04:10:54 PM: Can A Catholic belong to another faith and still remain Catholic?

There seems to be great confusion around this question. Even according to some particular Sedevacantist theories.

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Poll: What is the "Novus Ordo church"? - Crisis in the Church - Catholic Info (https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/what-is-the-'novus-ordo-church'/)

The findings from this poll ^^^ indicate that the majority of voting users think the N.O. "church" is NOT the Catholic Church. About 80% think it is either:

A false religion
The Ape of the Church of Antichrist
A non-Catholic heretical sect
A quasi-Catholic heretical sect

So, then this begs the question; Can one belong to two different faiths at the same time?
Can one belong to any of those false faiths and also somehow be a member of the Catholic Church at the same time?
Title: Re: Poll: Can one belong to another faith/religion and still be Catholic?
Post by: Oldyank on January 19, 2025, 06:15:58 PM: You need to get a life Bro.
Title: Re: Poll: Can one belong to another faith/religion and still be Catholic?
Post by: Miseremini on January 19, 2025, 07:17:22 PM: Once the indelible mark of Baptism is placed on your soul, it doesn't matter where you go or what you do...you will be judged as Catholic.
Title: Re: Poll: Can one belong to another faith/religion and still be Catholic?
Post by: Miseremini on January 19, 2025, 09:08:56 PM: Quote from: Johannes on January 19, 2025, 07:24:12 PM
So, a 30-year-old man who was validly baptized in a Protestant sect and died therein will be judged as if he were Catholic?

Yes. He was validly baptized. He didn't become protestant until sometime after he reached the age of reason. Had he died at say two or three years old he would have gone to heaven.
The critical thing is he was validly baptized, NOT WHO baptized him.
EVERYONE, validly baptized is baptized into the Church founded by Jesus Christ. It's up to them how long they stay there or get excommunicated....but that indelible mark still remains.
Title: Re: Poll: Can one belong to another faith/religion and still be Catholic?
Post by: Meg on January 19, 2025, 11:07:43 PM: Quote from: Johannes on January 19, 2025, 07:02:13 PM
“The Church that affirms such errors is at once schismatic and heretical. This Conciliar Church is, therefore, not Catholic. To whatever extent Pope, bishops, priests or faithful adhere to this new Church, they separate themselves from the Catholic Church.” +ABL

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We've all seen some of those photos before now. Some are quite old. Perhaps you have just discovered them? Are you new to Tradition?
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Title: Re: Poll: Can one belong to another faith/religion and still be Catholic?
Post by: Stubborn on January 20, 2025, 04:46:05 AM: Quote from: Meg on January 19, 2025, 11:07:43 PM
We've all seen some of those photos before now. Some are quite old. Perhaps you have just discovered them? Are you new to Tradition?
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It seems he just recently attended a 2 week retreat at the Dimond's before they turned him loose.
Title: Re: Poll: Can one belong to another faith/religion and still be Catholic?
Post by: Stubborn on January 20, 2025, 08:04:02 AM: Quote from: Stubborn on January 20, 2025, 04:46:05 AM
It seems he just recently attended a 2 week retreat at the Dimond's before they turned him loose.
On second thought, it's possible that he's student of Richard Ibranyi.
Title: Re: Poll: Can one belong to another faith/religion and still be Catholic?
Post by: Meg on January 20, 2025, 10:20:27 AM: Quote from: Stubborn on January 20, 2025, 08:04:02 AM
On second thought, it's possible that he's student of Richard Ibranyi.

Yeah, that's possible. I found a video of Ibranyi telling his story of when he lived at the Dimonds' Most Holy Family Monastery.

So bizarre.

Bing Videos (https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/relatedvideo?&q=Dimond+Brothers+Mhfm&&mid=6E430382333BB14E9E186E430382333BB14E9E18&&FORM=VRDGAR)
Title: Re: Poll: Can one belong to another faith/religion and still be Catholic?
Post by: Ladislaus on January 20, 2025, 10:44:12 PM: This has been dealt with before. As per usual, that great scholastic tool of the "distinction" to the rescue, in the service of truth ... along with some definitions.

Yes, Traditional Catholics (including Archbishop Lefebvre) have all concluded that the Conciliar religion is not the Catholic religion.

Definition (of a vague term): What do you mean by "belong to"?

Let's say I'm a Catholic and I see a Ukrainian Orthodox church down the street, but I'm not well educated on the subject and have heard of Ukrainian Catholic Churches and was told that it's perfectly legitimate for Catholics to go there. So I start going to that Ukrainian Orthodox Church under the mistaken impression that it's Catholic. I go there for years. Do I therefore belong to the Ukrainian Orthodox Church and cease to be Catholic?

Answer: No, and that's because my error is referred to as material error, an error or fact, rooted in ignorance. When I was a child, given NO catechesis, I had a mistaken notion of what the Immaculate Conception meant, and therefore held a heretical view on the matter. But as soon as I became acquainted with the proper Catholic understanding of it, my reaction was to immediately accept it and regret my former error. If I see $100 on a table and take it thinking it's mine, but it turns out that it belongs to someone else, while there's an objective injustice that I must rectify as soon as I become aware of the error, I am not formally guilty of the sin, since it's a material error.

Similarly in the Novus Ordo, there are some who continue to profess the Catholic faith and simply believe and have come to the conclusion that it's the Catholic Church; many simple folk who are not acquainted with the theological problems involved and think that the aberrations in the Mass are mostly due to their local priest's Modernistic tendencies, etc. etc.

Those who attend the Novus Ordo do not necessarily adhere formally to the Conciliar sect, even if they belong to it materially.
Title: Re: Poll: Can one belong to another faith/religion and still be Catholic?
Post by: Ladislaus on January 20, 2025, 10:46:49 PM: Quote from: Johannes on January 19, 2025, 07:02:13 PM
“The Church that affirms such errors is at once schismatic and heretical. This Conciliar Church is, therefore, not Catholic. To whatever extent Pope, bishops, priests or faithful adhere to this new Church, they separate themselves from the Catholic Church.” +ABL

I call your attention to the term "adhere to this new Church", vs. your "belong to" (a sleight of hand substitution), with adherence referring to formal and pertinacious embracing of a new false religion.
Title: Re: Poll: Can one belong to another faith/religion and still be Catholic?
Post by: Ladislaus on January 20, 2025, 10:47:39 PM: Quote from: Miseremini on January 19, 2025, 07:17:22 PM
Once the indelible mark of Baptism is placed on your soul, it doesn't matter where you go or what you do...you will be judged as Catholic.

No. You don't need to promote one error to combat another.
Title: Re: Poll: Can one belong to another faith/religion and still be Catholic?
Post by: Ladislaus on January 20, 2025, 10:49:14 PM: Quote from: Stubborn on January 20, 2025, 04:46:05 AM
It seems he just recently attended a 2 week retreat at the Dimond's before they turned him loose.

You and Meg continue to offer nothing of substance to any discussion ... but keep resorting to pathetic, puerile, one-liner "drive-by" ad hominems.
Title: Re: Poll: Can one belong to another faith/religion and still be Catholic?
Post by: Meg on January 20, 2025, 10:55:14 PM: Quote from: Ladislaus on January 20, 2025, 10:49:14 PM
You and Meg continue to offer nothing of substance to any discussion ... but keep resorting to pathetic, puerile, one-liner "drive-by" ad hominems.

You can always choose to not read what I post, since it's so offensive to you.
Title: Re: Poll: Can one belong to another faith/religion and still be Catholic?
Post by: Stubborn on January 21, 2025, 04:49:09 AM: Quote from: Ladislaus on January 20, 2025, 10:49:14 PM
You and Meg continue to offer nothing of substance to any discussion ... but keep resorting to pathetic, puerile, one-liner "drive-by" ad hominems.
He ignores or mocks substance. Didn't you know there are no cardinals, no pope, no Church, no laws, no priests etc. - waiting for him to declare there's no God. Because of the crisis, papal teachings, Canon Law, etc mean contrary to what they actually say. The guy has been hyper infected with the vacant chair virus, gotta wait for him to either get banned or leave once he burns out like a flare.