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Re: Plinio Correa de Oliveira
« Reply #25 on: May 14, 2018, 12:16:09 PM »
Here's a lengthy article about Massimo Introvigne, including his connection to Plinio Correa de Oliveira (especially the third page of the article). I think that the author of the article is not religious at all, but he does provide some background into Introvigne and TFP, though it may contain some bias of course.

http://www.kelebekler.com/cesnur/storia/gb04.htm
From what I understand, the author was a member of an Italian branch of a Plinio-worshipping cult connected to TFP. He left the cult and has written extensively to try to help others break free or not get sucked in to it.

In your link, he says:

At least in my case, I can confirm that I have never held that I was "prevented from leaving" the organization, nor have I ever made any profit whatsoever "selling my story". By the way, I write these words myself: I do not have the funds for buying myself a ghost writer. Two journalist paid me a coffee, and one even paid me a pizza, however.

Here is his main link which is essentially a book with linked chapters, many of which are about TFP.
http://www.kelebekler.com/cesnur/storia/gb00.htm

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Re: Plinio Correa de Oliveira
« Reply #26 on: May 14, 2018, 12:51:15 PM »
Plinio was randomly “breaking people's computers so that they can’t go on the internet”

:laugh1:


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Re: Plinio Correa de Oliveira
« Reply #27 on: May 14, 2018, 01:06:19 PM »
From what I understand, the author was a member of an Italian branch of a Plinio-worshipping cult connected to TFP. He left the cult and has written extensively to try to help others break free or not get sucked in to it.

In your link, he says:

At least in my case, I can confirm that I have never held that I was "prevented from leaving" the organization, nor have I ever made any profit whatsoever "selling my story". By the way, I write these words myself: I do not have the funds for buying myself a ghost writer. Two journalist paid me a coffee, and one even paid me a pizza, however.

Here is his main link which is essentially a book with linked chapters, many of which are about TFP.
http://www.kelebekler.com/cesnur/storia/gb00.htm

Yes, it is essentially a book. Lots of information. He sounds reasonable. 

I first viewed that website a few years ago when trying to figure out who Introvigne is, and also CESNUR's activities. Introvigne cannot be trusted to be truthful at all. He's one scary dude. He's the head of the vampire society in Italy, and reportedly a member of the Freemasonic Grand lodge there. Introvigne was a TFP member at one time, but then left it. That doesn't mean that TFP is freemasonic at all. But it still seems to be a cult. 

Re: Plinio Correa de Oliveira
« Reply #28 on: May 15, 2018, 12:19:13 PM »
Quote from: Cera on May 12, 2018, 02:17:21 PM
Plinio was randomly “breaking people's computers so that they can’t go on the internet”
:laugh1:
Ladislaus, you take the words from the lips of Plinio-worshippers and falsely attribute them to me. As you well know, these crazy accusations come not from me or anyone who objects to Plinio-worship. Rather they come from your crazy Plinio-worshipping pals.
Let's not forget that TFP spin-off group "Heralds of the Gospel" was brought up by you. After you brought them up I looked into them. In my response to you I said:

Interesting that you should bring up the "Heralds of the Gospel" which are truly a breakaway group -- although all three groups originated with Mr. Plinio. This is the kind of group that gives Traditional Catholics a bad name.

I then linked to the news source:
https://www.thedailybeast.com/this-secret-catholic-exorcist-cult-in-brazil-is-making-a-deal-with-the-devil
This Secret Catholic Exorcist Cult in Brazil Is Making a Deal With the Devil
The Vatican is looking into a group of exorcists who apparently made a pact with Satan on climate change and the death of Pope Francis

In one passage from a video seen by The Daily Beast, Dias asks one of his minions to read from a transcript that was purportedly jotted down by an observer at one of the rogue exorcisms encompassing what appears to be dialogue between the exorcist and Satan.
The conversation was stilted, as one might expect with the struggle for the possessed person’s soul, but the gist was that Plinio was randomly “breaking people's computers so that they can’t go on the internet” and that he is changing the climate and was “therefore the author of the climate change, and the increase of heat. It is Plinio who does everything,” according to the devil as channeled through the exorcist. Then, the devil predicts that a meteorite will crash into the Atlantic ocean. “North America will disappear,” he warns.
The devil then turns to the fate of Pope Francis, which Tornielli was able to transcribe and translate from the somewhat distorted video. “The Vatican? It's mine, mine!” the devil says to the exorcist, according to Tornielli’s transcript. “The pope does whatever I want, he's stupid! He obeys me in everything. He is my glory, he is willing to do everything for me. He serves me.”
Then the devil, again as channeled by the exorcist for the Heralds of the Gospel, predicts that the pope will perish, not during a voyage, but at the Vatican. “The pope will die falling,” the exorcist’s transcript says quite clearly.
While much of the Heralds of the Gospel work seems, well, fanciful at best, the Vatican’s investigation is very serious. The Vatican could censure the group or strip it of the blessings of the Catholic Church, which would likely not actually stop them, but instead just push them farther underground. Or it could try to corral them back into the fold and hope they stop having sympathy for the devil.


Re: Plinio Correa de Oliveira
« Reply #29 on: May 15, 2018, 12:29:10 PM »
Yes, it is essentially a book. Lots of information. He sounds reasonable.

I first viewed that website a few years ago when trying to figure out who Introvigne is, and also CESNUR's activities. Introvigne cannot be trusted to be truthful at all. He's one scary dude. He's the head of the vampire society in Italy, and reportedly a member of the Freemasonic Grand lodge there. Introvigne was a TFP member at one time, but then left it. That doesn't mean that TFP is freemasonic at all. But it still seems to be a cult.
I agree with you Meg. Introvigne seems to be a cult member who is trying to head off criticism of cults. The problem common to all of the Plinio-worshipping groups (Tradition, Family Property, Tradition in Action, American Needs Fatima, etc.)  is their cult-like worship of their dead leader.
I found an interesting article from a former FBI agent who investigated the worst cults and this is what he says about cult worship of their illustrious leader.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/spycatcher/201208/dangerous-cult-leaders