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Offline AJNC

Re: Plinio Correa de Oliveira
« Reply #10 on: May 07, 2018, 09:36:23 PM »
Quote from: Cera on May 07, 2018, 12:58:14 PM
This is the "litany" sung as a hymn to Dona Lucilia, the mother of Plinio Corrêa de Oliveira:
    This hymn came into public domain when it was revealed by Prof. Orlando Fedeli, a member of TFP for over 30 years, who asked Mons. Antonio de Castro Mayer for his opinion on its orthodoxy.
Lady Lucilia, pray for us  
Mother of Mister Doctor Plinio, pray for us  
Mother of the Doctor of the Church, pray for us  
Mother of our Father, pray for us  
Mother of the Unspeakable, pray for us  
Mother of all of us, pray for us  
Mother of the coming centuries, pray for us  
Mother of the Axiological Principle, pray for us  
Mother of the Temperament of Synthesis, pray for us  
Mother of all purity, pray for us  
Mother of the Trans-sphere, pray for us  
Mother of Seriousness, pray for us  
Mother of the Counter-Revolution, pray for us  
Restorer of Temperaments, pray for us  
Source of Light, pray for us  
Procreator of Innocence, pray for us  
Preserver of Innocence, pray for us  
Consoler of Mister Doctor Plinio, pray for us  
Mediator of the Grand Retour, pray for us  
Mediator of all our graces, pray for us  
Dawn of the Kingdom of Mary, pray for us  
Lady Lucilia of the smile, pray for us  
Lady Lucilia of Flashes*, pray for us  
Most beautiful flower of all, pray for us  
Our refuge, pray for us  
Our consoler, pray for us  
Our help in the Bagarre, pray for us  
Reason of our perseverance, pray for us  
Vase of logic, pray for us  
Vase of metaphysics, pray for us  
Martyr of isolation, pray for us  
Queen of serene suffering, pray for us  
Queen of loveliness, pray for us  
Queen of serenity, pray for us  
Lady Lucilia, our Mother and Lady, help us  
Lady Lucilia, our greatest mediator before the Virgin, help us  
(from Tradizione Famiglia Proprietà: Associazione cattolica o setta millenarista?, Rimini 1996, pp. 70-71)
https://ephesians511blog.com/2013/09/28/america-needs-fatima-a-cult-using-the-fatima-name/
The Portuguese language can be very "flowery". Concerning the litany above, this line should put your mind at rest:
Lady Lucilia, our greatest mediator before the Virgin, help us 
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Offline Cantarella

Re: Plinio Correa de Oliveira
« Reply #11 on: May 07, 2018, 10:48:29 PM »
I have read the works of Professor Plinio Correa de Oliveria and I have to say, that his is one of the most brilliant Catholic minds this continent has ever produced. If you don't believe me, read this:

Revolution and Counter-Revolution

I also have many good friends who belong to the TFP and they seem genuinely good Catholic people. They run an annual Chivalry Camp for boys, which promotes masculine virtues. Something extremely necessary in our times.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=xcN6e9bKLPM

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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Plinio Correa de Oliveira
« Reply #12 on: May 08, 2018, 08:27:37 AM »
Quote from: Cantarella on May 07, 2018, 10:48:29 PM
I have read the works of Professor Plinio Correa de Oliveria and I have to say, that his is one of the most brilliant Catholic minds this continent has ever produced. If you don't believe me, read this:

Revolution and Counter-Revolution

I also have many good friends who belong to the TFP and they seem genuinely good Catholic people. They run an annual Chivalry Camp for boys, which promotes masculine virtues. Something extremely necessary in our times.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=xcN6e9bKLPM

Agreed.  Now, did some cult-like qualities at one point creep into the organization?  Perhaps, but I have no experience that would suggest this is something ongoing with the group in the U.S. at this present time.

That Litany to Plinio's Mother sounds like a satirical spoof put together by some students (young men) who were trying to be smart-asses.  As such, some of the lines are borderline hilarious.

"Mother of the Axiological Principle" ...  :laugh1:  That's probably something that Plinio taught that the students were making fun of.

"Mother of the Trans-sphere" ...  :laugh1:.

I know some students at their boys' school in PA, and this would be just like them to spoof something like that up.
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Offline Cera

Re: Plinio Correa de Oliveira
« Reply #13 on: May 08, 2018, 03:37:33 PM »
Quote from: AJNC on May 07, 2018, 09:36:23 PM
The Portuguese language can be very "flowery". Concerning the litany above, this line should put your mind at rest:
Lady Lucilia, our greatest mediator before the Virgin, help us  
Sorry, but the disgusting parody of a "litany" is so offensive that ONE line which acknowledges Our Lady fails to compensate for the  adoration and praise lavished on a flawed human being and on her mentally disturbed son. Those who left the cult say they were encouraged to substitute Lucia's name for Our Lady's name in the Hail Mary, to kiss Plinio's feet, and much more. Do your research.

Think about this so-called "Litany" which spread throughout Europe.

Since Plinio was in no way a "Doctor of the Church," how dare they call his mother "Mother of the Doctor of the Church."

Catholics call God Our Father, we do not call a cult leader's mother
"Mother of our Father." 

Catholics call Mary our Mother, we do not call a cult leader's mother
"Mother of all of us."

Catholics know that the Immaculate Heart of Mary will triumph; it's just wrong to call Plinio's mother the "Mother of the coming centuries."

To call Plinio's mother the "Mother of the Axiological Principle" is to say that she is the mother of the First Cause.
 
To Catholics, Mary is the Mother of all purity, not Plinio's mother.
 
To Catholics, Jesus is the Light of the World, not Plinio and his mom, as implied in
calling Lucia "Source of Light." 

Catholics devoted to Our Lady are offended by Plinio encouraging his followers to worship himself and his mother by usurping titles which belong to Mary or in some cases to Our Lord.
Procreator of Innocence? 
Preserver of Innocence? 
Mediator of all our graces? 
Our refuge? 
Queen of serenity? 
Lady Lucilia, our Mother and Lady, help us 

If anyone calling himself or herself Catholic is not offended by this, they need to stop praying to a false goddess and pray instead to Jesus and His Mother.
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Offline Cera

Re: Plinio Correa de Oliveira
« Reply #14 on: May 08, 2018, 04:08:43 PM »
Quote from: Nadir on May 07, 2018, 05:29:32 PM
I repeat the question which you ignored: What has Tradition in Action  to do with TFP?

Cera, did you read the article published above?

Here is a relevant excerpt:
Why are you confusing the two organisations?
Do you understand the difference between and Offshoot and a Breakaway?
TIA is an offshoot of TFP. The two leaders of TIA were first involved with TFP. Guimarães brags about how closely he worked with and traveled with de Oviveria in Brazil’s TFP from 1964 until 1998 when he came to the U.S. to co-found TIA with Marian T. Horvat.
Horvart's brother John Horvat heads up the U.S. branch of TFP headquartered in Pennsylvania. Marian is proud of the fact that she often edited and translated the works of Plinio, including his disgusting book "Nobility and Analogous Traditional Elites" (which teaches the opposite of what Jesus taught -- to despise the poor and to have a "preferential option" for the rich.)
She began working with Plinio and TFP in 1977. She also collaborated in many ways with American TFP from 1977 until 1998 until she and Guimarães started TIA in 1999.
Yes, I have read Guimarães' cover story of himself about what a hero he is and what persecution he has suffered. It is a theme that runs through many of their cover stories. To get a full picture of a cult, one must read the first-person accounts of those who were able to get out, some after a few years and others after 30 years of cult involvement. For starters, read the OP.
Yes, I understand the difference between an offshoot and a breakaway. Which one are you calling TIA? In Christian charity, I beg you to go to a search engine and put in "Tradition and Action" and "Plinio" and see how much they look up to him as their founder and spiritual leader.
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