Author Topic: Plinio Correa de Oliveira - Another Side of the Story (Read 8731 times)

Nadir · « **Reply #10 on:** May 14, 2018, 01:11:37 AM »

Quote from: Cera on May 13, 2018, 05:06:52 PM

TIA's parent group TFP was condemned by the Catholic Church in two nations, and condemned by the civil authorities in Brazil where both TFP and TIA originated -- for cнιℓd тrαffιcking. Several former members have spoken out against them, knowing well how risky it is to do so when leaving a cult.
http://www.angelusonline.org/index.php?section=articles&subsection=show_article&article_id=773
http://catholiclight.stblogs.org/index.php/2010/07/i-still-think-p/
http://www.unitypublishing.com/NewReligiousMovements/FatimaCult.html
https://ephesians511blog.com/2013/09/28/america-needs-fatima-a-cult-using-the-fatima-name/
http://www.kelebekler.com/cesnur/storia/gb17.htm
https://www.thedailybeast.com/this-secret-catholic-exorcist-cult-in-brazil-is-making-a-deal-with-the-devil
http://www.ewtn.com/v/experts/showmessage.asp?number=342002
and then there is this shocking video:

Cera, the untitled video you find "shocking" is a series of 3 photo images of an unnamed man, while the speech is of an (the same?) unnamed man, with a subscript in English. Can you vouch that the script is an accurate translation. How much credibility can we give it?
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Where is the evidence for cнιℓd тrαffιcking? It is not a minor offense. Can you present it?
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The websites links you give contain little more than hearsay, and still from the same limited group people with no real evidence.
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I am not saying that what you believe is untrue. But you need to provide better information than is available. Some of this stuff dates from the early 80's. It's taking an awful long time to come out. Compare with that the wealth of information and docuмentation we have for example on Opus Dei.
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I am not a supporter of TFP.
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BTW this has all been fought over on CathInfo and the jury is still out.
See here: https://www.cathinfo.com/general-discussion/america-needs-fatimatfp/
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If you click on previous question on the ewtn page you will come up with
http://www.ewtn.com/v/experts/showmessage.asp?number=341999&Pg=&Pgnu=&recnu=

Cera · « **Reply #11 on:** May 14, 2018, 11:39:16 AM »

Quote from: Nadir on May 14, 2018, 01:11:37 AM

Cera, the untitled video you find "shocking" is a series of 3 photo images of an unnamed man, while the speech is of an (the same?) unnamed man, with a subscript in English. Can you vouch that the script is an accurate translation. How much credibility can we give it?
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BTW this has all been fought over on CathInfo and the jury is still out.
See here: https://www.cathinfo.com/general-discussion/america-needs-fatimatfp/
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If you click on previous question on the ewtn page you will come up with
http://www.ewtn.com/v/experts/showmessage.asp?number=341999&Pg=&Pgnu=&recnu=

Since the entire website is in Spanish and I speak only a little Spanish (enough to know that sadly, the transcript is accurate), I had trouble tracking down the unnamed man -- but I found him! He is Monsignor João Scognamiglio Clá Dias
seen here
https://www.thedailybeast.com/this-secret-catholic-exorcist-cult-in-brazil-is-making-a-deal-with-the-devil

Quotes from video and why I call it "shocking":
“May you spend your day avidly and anxiously desiring to have an encounter
We must unite ourselves with Plinio to the point that we no longer have our mentality, our spirit, our intelligence, our will, our sensibility functioning except as I no longer live, it is Doctor Mr. Plinio who lives in me.”

Thank you for the link, Nadir. I will look at it.

Cera · « **Reply #12 on:** May 14, 2018, 12:08:13 PM »

Hi Nadir,
At the old CathInfo link you provided I found this video which I think provides a balanced view of TFP. Let me know what you think.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fd85KMQte80&feature=youtu.be
around 6:55

Nadir · « **Reply #13 on:** May 14, 2018, 08:52:26 PM »

Quote from: Nadir on May 14, 2018, 01:11:37 AM

Where is the evidence for cнιℓd тrαffιcking? It is not a minor offense. Can you present it?
.
The websites links you give contain little more than hearsay, and still from the same limited group people with no real evidence.
.
I am not saying that what you believe is untrue. But you need to provide better information than is available. Some of this stuff dates from the early 80's. It's taking an awful long time to come out. Compare with that the wealth of information and docuмentation we have for example on Opus Dei.
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I am not a supporter of TFP.

The above is what you deleted from my quote.
It's not the first occasion you have ignored my questions, both here and on the other thread on the same topic. It seems that you cannot produce evidence for your quite grevous accusations. Obviously, if you could you would, so it seems a waste of time to continue.

Cera · « **Reply #14 on:** May 15, 2018, 12:33:59 PM »

Quote from: Nadir on May 14, 2018, 08:52:26 PM

The above is what you deleted from my quote.
It's not the first occasion you have ignored my questions, both here and on the other thread on the same topic. It seems that you cannot produce evidence for your quite grevous accusations. Obviously, if you could you would, so it seems a waste of time to continue.

Actually Nadir, I have repeatedly responded to your questions. It appears that I am the one who is wasting my time because you appear to be neither reading nor responding to my posts. One example among many:

Hi Nadir,
At the old CathInfo link you provided I found this video which I think provides a balanced view of TFP. Let me know what you think.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fd85KMQte80&feature=youtu.be
around 6:55

CathInfo.com

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