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Offline Pelly

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Pius IX was a Mason?
« on: March 14, 2013, 03:11:07 PM »
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  • A comment here states that ha was a Mason before becoming Pope. Is this true? I didn't find any reliable information on Wikipedia.
    EDIT: here is another link. Something is very wrong I think.


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    Pius IX was a Mason?
    « Reply #1 on: March 14, 2013, 03:17:56 PM »
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  • EDIT2: according to that, it seems like that he infiltrated Masonry. Upon becoming Pope, he excommunicated the Lodge.


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    « Reply #2 on: March 14, 2013, 03:26:42 PM »
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  • From what I understand, he was a liberal early in his life, but there is no evidence that he was a Freemason.

    And it should be noted that was most certainly NOT a liberal Pope. He was one of the greatest Popes we've ever had.
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.

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    Pius IX was a Mason?
    « Reply #3 on: March 14, 2013, 03:41:12 PM »
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  • Can somebody examine these writings?

    Offline roscoe

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    « Reply #4 on: March 14, 2013, 03:54:36 PM »
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  • Pope Pius IX was never a mason.
    There Is No Such Thing As 'Sede Vacantism'...
    nor is there such thing as a 'Feeneyite' or 'Feeneyism'


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    « Reply #5 on: March 14, 2013, 04:03:13 PM »
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  • Quote from: ServusSpiritusSancti
    From what I understand, he was a liberal early in his life, but there is no evidence that he was a Freemason.

    And it should be noted that was most certainly NOT a liberal Pope. He was one of the greatest Popes we've ever had.


    In the text below, Pope Pius IX demolishes the calumny that he himself was a liberal and also condemns in the strongest terms the same religious indifferentism which the "popes" of Vatican II regard as their greatest glory.


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    The Life of Pope Pius IX and the Great Events in the History of the Church During His Pontificate[/i]]Against religious indifferentism so zealously advocated in our days, and made as it were a state creed, he said: “It is assuredly not unknown to you, venerable brethren, that in our times many of the enemies of the Catholic faith especially direct their efforts toward placing every monstrous opinion on the same level with the doctrine of Christ, or of confounding it therewith, and so they try more and more to propagate that impious system of the indifference of religions. But quite recently, we shudder to say it, men have appeared who have thrown such reproaches upon our name and apostolic dignity, that they do not hesitate to slander us, as if we shared in their folly and favored the aforesaid most wicked system. From the measures, in no wise incompatible with the sanctity of the Catholic religion, which, in certain affairs relating to the civil government of the Pontifical States, we thought fit in kindness to adopt, as tending to the public advantage and prosperity, and from the amnesty graciously bestowed upon some of the subjects of the same States at the beginning of our pontificate, it appears that these men have desired to infer that we think so benevolently concerning every class of mankind, as to suppose that not only the sons of the Church, but that the rest also, however alienated from Catholic unity they may remain, are alike in the way of salvation, and may arrive at everlasting life.

    “We are at a loss from horror to find words to express our detestation of this new and atrocious injustice that is done us. We do indeed love all mankind with the inmost affection of our heart, yet not otherwise than in the love of God, and of our Lord Jesus Christ, who came to seek and to save that which had perished, who died for all, who wills all men to be saved, and to come to the knowledge of the truth; who therefore sent his disciples into the whole world to preach the gospel to every creature, proclaiming that they who should believe and be baptized should be saved, but they who should believe not should be condemned; who therefore will be saved let them come to the pillar and ground of faith, which is the Church; let them come to the true Church of Christ, which in its bishops and in the Roman Pontiff, the chief head of all, has the succession of apostolical authority, never at any time interrupted; which has never counted aught of greater moment than to preach and by all means to keep and defend the doctrine proclaimed by the apostles, by Christ’s command; which, from the apostles’ time downward, has increased in the midst of difficulties of every kind; and being illustrious throughout the whole world by the splendor of miracles, multiplied by the blood of martyrs, exalted by the virtues of confessors and virgins, strengthened by the most wise testimonies of the fathers, hath flourished and doth flourish in all the regions of the earth, and shines refulgent in the perfect unity of the faith, of sacraments, and of holy discipline.”

    John Gilmary Shea, LL.D., The Life of Pope Pius IX and the Great Events in the History of the Church During His Pontificate, New York: Thomas Kelly, 1878, pp. 98-103.
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    Offline Nishant

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    « Reply #6 on: March 14, 2013, 04:32:58 PM »
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  • I agree, I think Pope Pius IX was an exemplary Pope, I'd rank the First Vatican Council the crowning glory of his pontificate - a most salutary and necessary exposition of the divine institution of the Papacy and its supreme prerogatives, most timely and necessary condemnations of errors like pantheism, agnosticism, rationalism and the like, and excellent and precise definitions on the relationship between faith and reason, the motives of credibility for belief in God, Christ and His Church marvelously laid out, and which would later become the basis for the Oath against modernism under Pope St. Pius X.
    "Never will anyone who says his Rosary every day become a formal heretic ... This is a statement I would sign in my blood." St. Montfort, Secret of the Rosary. I support the FSSP, the SSPX and other priests who work for the restoration of doctrinal orthodoxy and liturgical orthopraxis in the Church. I accept Vatican II if interpreted in the light of Tradition and canonisations as an infallible declaration that a person is in Heaven. Sedevacantism is schismatic and Ecclesiavacantism is heretical.

    Offline Quo Vadis Petre

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    « Reply #7 on: March 14, 2013, 04:36:17 PM »
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  • Pius IX was only politically liberal at the beginning (nothing to do with doctrine), but even that political liberalism faded away as he saw the fruits of it and reversed himself, too late for the Papal States.
    "In our time more than ever before, the greatest asset of the evil-disposed is the cowardice and weakness of good men, and all the vigour of Satan's reign is due to the easy-going weakness of Catholics." -St. Pius X

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    « Reply #8 on: March 14, 2013, 04:38:13 PM »
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  • Quote from: Quo Vadis Petre
    Pius IX was only politically liberal at the beginning (nothing to do with doctrine), but even that political liberalism faded away as he saw the fruits of it and reversed himself, too late for the Papal States.


    This has been repeated many times. Do you have some source for it?
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    « Reply #9 on: March 14, 2013, 04:42:02 PM »
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  • Fr. Feeney, for one. He said he freed political prisoners left and right; also, some of Pius IX' appointments, like Count Rossi, were also liberal, from what I've read (though I could be wrong).

    Here is the Catholic Encyclopedia article on Pius IX: http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12134b.htm
    "In our time more than ever before, the greatest asset of the evil-disposed is the cowardice and weakness of good men, and all the vigour of Satan's reign is due to the easy-going weakness of Catholics." -St. Pius X

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    « Reply #10 on: March 14, 2013, 04:57:49 PM »
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  • Quote from: Quo Vadis Petre
    Fr. Feeney, for one. He said he freed political prisoners left and right; also, some of Pius IX' appointments, like Count Rossi, were also liberal, from what I've read (though I could be wrong).

    Here is the Catholic Encyclopedia article on Pius IX: http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12134b.htm


    Quote from: CE on Pius IX
    His great charity and amiability had made him beloved by the people, while his friendship with some of the revolutionists had gained for him the name of liberal.


    That's describing a calumny.



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    Offline Quo Vadis Petre

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    « Reply #11 on: March 14, 2013, 05:16:03 PM »
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  • Well, he was too liberal, in that he freed political prisoners better left in jail. That's what I meant. And his political reforms went too far, even though not against doctrine; which is why the people under his government clamored for more. Being politically a bit liberal isn't wrong, IMO.

    Here's Fr. Feeney on the matter:

    http://archive.org/details/FɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყInTheLifeAndTimesOfPopePiusIx

    Here's a quote:

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    And up in Austria, its wise, prudent and able old Chancellor, Prince Metternich — who, practically single-handed and alone, had, ever since the Congress of Vienna in 1815, staved off the enslavement of the Catholic Church and the countries of Europe, even though he was called a “reactionary” for doing so — shook his experienced head. He issued warning after warning to his Holy Father, Pope Pius IX, all of which went unheeded, and all of which a brokenhearted Pio Nono lived later to realize would have saved the day for his Papal States.

    Finally, when Pope Pius IX granted a Civic Guard for Rome, even Cardinal Gizzi resigned, realizing what the Pope, in his credulous enthusiasm did not see, that putting arms in the hands of the people was tantamount, at that time, to arming the revolutionaries. Metternich completely despaired. Nor did the stories of the Pope’s angelic personal life, his purity, charity, preaching, devotions, console him. The old statesman wrote, in 1847, from the depths of his anguish:

    The Pope reveals himself every day more and more lacking in practical sense. Born and nurtured in a liberal family, he has been formed in a bad school. A good priest, he has never turned his mind toward matters of government ... he has allowed himself, since he has assumed the tiara, to be taken and ensnared in a net from which he does not any longer know how to disentangle himself. And if matters follow their natural course now, he will be driven out of Rome.
    "In our time more than ever before, the greatest asset of the evil-disposed is the cowardice and weakness of good men, and all the vigour of Satan's reign is due to the easy-going weakness of Catholics." -St. Pius X

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    Offline Quo Vadis Petre

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    « Reply #12 on: March 14, 2013, 05:23:49 PM »
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  • Here's a quote made by Pius IX himself, recognizing he went too far, also from Fr. Feeney's article:

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    Violence followed upon violence when it was fully realized that Pio Nono had served notice on the world that he was neither the knowing nor the unknowing leader of Liberalism. Young Italy and the secret societies under Mazzini raged, conspired and plotted. So did Cavour, the Prime Minister of Sardinia, for the interests of the Piedmontese. Lord Palmerston worked openly through his special envoy in Rome, Lord Minto, whose policy it became to encourage the most dangerous revolutionaries in Italy. Pio Nono was fully aware of all this, and to those who had the honesty and courage to reproach him with the folly of his former credulous and childlike trust in the success of his “reform program,” his vain belief that he could win by kindness where his predecessor, Pope Gregory XVI, had failed by severity, and his misplaced confidence in the “gratitude of the people,” he would answer simply that he was “very like the unwise and doting parents who had made over their goods to their children before their death, and are turned out of their house and home in their old age!”

    “I am like the little shepherd boy,” he said, “who had for companion a great necromancer. The boy had seen him again and again call up the Devil, and had learned the formula of incantation. So he too one night tried the power of the spell. The evil one arose at his call, and the frightened child would fain have got rid of him, but he had not, however, learned the spell that could lay the fiend, who henceforth haunted and tormented him.
    "In our time more than ever before, the greatest asset of the evil-disposed is the cowardice and weakness of good men, and all the vigour of Satan's reign is due to the easy-going weakness of Catholics." -St. Pius X

    "If the Church were not divine, this

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    « Reply #13 on: March 15, 2013, 01:42:21 PM »
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    Nor did the stories of the Pope’s angelic personal life, his purity, charity, preaching, devotions, console him.


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    The old statesman (Metternich) wrote, in 1847, from the depths of his anguish:

    The Pope reveals himself every day more and more lacking in practical sense. Born and nurtured in a liberal family, he has been formed in a bad school. A good priest, he has never turned his mind toward matters of government ... he has allowed himself, since he has assumed the tiara, to be taken and ensnared in a net from which he does not any longer know how to disentangle himself. And if matters follow their natural course now, he will be driven out of Rome.


    Here is the CE on Metternich:

    http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/10245a.htm
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    Offline Quo Vadis Petre

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    « Reply #14 on: March 15, 2013, 01:55:22 PM »
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  • From the article you linked to, I confess that I like Metternich, whatever his faults, since he was indeed a great statesman, concerned especially for religion.
    "In our time more than ever before, the greatest asset of the evil-disposed is the cowardice and weakness of good men, and all the vigour of Satan's reign is due to the easy-going weakness of Catholics." -St. Pius X

    "If the Church were not divine, this