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« Reply #135 on: June 17, 2014, 06:29:23 PM »
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    A black suit in the style of the time and a clerical collar.  
    So, clerics
    I thought clerics were only for business meetings with other priests etc.


    No.  The practice of wearing cassocks in the street was actually forbidden, I think, by the Council of Baltimore.  
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    « Reply #136 on: June 17, 2014, 06:31:40 PM »
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    Fr. Terra forgives his attacker and is praying for him.
    http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-phoenix-priests-20140616-story.html


    Further heroism from this priest.
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    « Reply #137 on: June 17, 2014, 06:37:42 PM »
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    A black suit in the style of the time and a clerical collar.  
    So, clerics
    I thought clerics were only for business meetings with other priests etc.


    No.  The practice of wearing cassocks in the street was actually forbidden, I think, by the Council of Baltimore.  


    Was it actually forbidden? I thought it was simply suggested not to be worn, because this wasn't a Catholic country....
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    « Reply #138 on: June 17, 2014, 07:28:21 PM »
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    • That is probably correct.
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    « Reply #139 on: June 18, 2014, 03:15:24 PM »
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    Well, regardless, they (1) wore a collar and (2) were in some kind of official uniform that unmistakably identified them as priests.

    No doubt about that.  Just not the cassock.


    This is ridiculous. In every FSSP parish I have attended the priests are always wearing cassocks.

    Same goes for SSPX priests - always cassocks.

    The only priests I ever see wearing a black suit with a collar are the N.O. ones.
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    « Reply #140 on: June 18, 2014, 09:12:50 PM »
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    • Do they wear cassocks off of church property?
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    « Reply #141 on: June 18, 2014, 11:09:33 PM »
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    Well, regardless, they (1) wore a collar and (2) were in some kind of official uniform that unmistakably identified them as priests.

    No doubt about that.  Just not the cassock.

    This is ridiculous. In every FSSP parish I have attended the priests are always wearing cassocks.

    Same goes for SSPX priests - always cassocks.

    The only priests I ever see wearing a black suit with a collar are the N.O. ones.

    The practice of wearing black slacks and shirt in public was an innovation in America sometime around the synod of Baltimore (from whence the Catechism), and was commonplace among the Jesuits.  Frs. Frederick Schell and Leonard Feeney, both Jesuits by training, did not wear a cassock, but a black suit with a Roman collar.  In the case of Fr. Schell, his successors do wear cassocks.  At the moment, the successors of Fr. Feeney do not include priests, but the Brothers M.I.C.M. wear cassocks.  

    Fr. Hector Bolduc wore a black suit with Roman collar, as did Fr. Fiore and Fr. Malachi Martin.

    You shouldn't forget that all across America "The Blackrobes" meant one thing, even to the Indians.  The American Martyrs, St. Isaac Jogues and Companions, wore black cassocks.

    From what I hear, it is being recognized that the gradual change from cassock to suit had been a subtlety that had seemed okay at the time, but in retrospect carries a much more significant burden and connotation, to the effect that it is worth re-examination.  

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    « Reply #142 on: June 19, 2014, 03:30:00 AM »
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    Well, regardless, they (1) wore a collar and (2) were in some kind of official uniform that unmistakably identified them as priests.

    No doubt about that.  Just not the cassock.


    This is ridiculous. In every FSSP parish I have attended the priests are always wearing cassocks.

    Same goes for SSPX priests - always cassocks.

    The only priests I ever see wearing a black suit with a collar are the N.O. ones.

    I have seen Novus Ordo priests wearing cassocks.
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    « Reply #143 on: June 19, 2014, 07:52:19 AM »
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    Well, regardless, they (1) wore a collar and (2) were in some kind of official uniform that unmistakably identified them as priests.

    No doubt about that.  Just not the cassock.


    This is ridiculous. In every FSSP parish I have attended the priests are always wearing cassocks.

    Same goes for SSPX priests - always cassocks.

    The only priests I ever see wearing a black suit with a collar are the N.O. ones.


    I don't know what the law in the Conciliar Church is these days.  However, the long-standing practice of priests in the United States is to not wear the cassock while in public.  While in their residences and in the context of the liturgy, yes, but not while just walking around the streets.

    Quote from: Third Plenary Council of Baltimore (1884)
    We wish and enjoin all keep the law of the Church. and that when at home or when engaged in the sanctuary they should always wear the cassock which is proper to the clergy. When they go abroad for duty or relaxation' or when upon a journey, they may use a shorter dress, but still one that is black in color, and which reaches to the knees, so as to distinguish it from lay costume. We enjoin upon our priests as a matter of strict precept, that both at home and abroad, and whether they are residing in their own diocese or outside of it, they should wear the Roman collar.
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    « Reply #144 on: June 19, 2014, 06:18:33 PM »
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    Well, regardless, they (1) wore a collar and (2) were in some kind of official uniform that unmistakably identified them as priests.

    No doubt about that.  Just not the cassock.


    This is ridiculous. In every FSSP parish I have attended the priests are always wearing cassocks.

    Same goes for SSPX priests - always cassocks.

    The only priests I ever see wearing a black suit with a collar are the N.O. ones.


    I don't know what the law in the Conciliar Church is these days.  However, the long-standing practice of priests in the United States is to not wear the cassock while in public.  While in their residences and in the context of the liturgy, yes, but not while just walking around the streets.



    That only applies to Conciliar church priests.  But you're not allowed to say pres-byters here.

    All the SSPX priests I know plus many of the independent priests I know IN THE UNITED STATES, wear a cassock all the time, regardless of where they are.

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    « Reply #145 on: June 19, 2014, 08:57:36 PM »
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    Well, regardless, they (1) wore a collar and (2) were in some kind of official uniform that unmistakably identified them as priests.

    No doubt about that.  Just not the cassock.


    This is ridiculous. In every FSSP parish I have attended the priests are always wearing cassocks.

    Same goes for SSPX priests - always cassocks.

    The only priests I ever see wearing a black suit with a collar are the N.O. ones.

    I have seen Novus Ordo priests wearing cassocks.


    In church, sure, but I doubt you have seen them in cassocks on the street.
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    « Reply #146 on: June 19, 2014, 08:59:30 PM »
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    • The Baltimore Council quote above only says that priests MAY wear a clerical suit, not that they MUST.  I was wrong further above.  
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    « Reply #147 on: June 20, 2014, 09:31:06 AM »
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    Do they wear cassocks off of church property?


    OF COURSE!

    Haven't you ever been to an FSSP or SSPX parish?

    Yes, they wear them on the train, yes they wear them in the rain.

    Yes, they wear them on the street, and yes they wear them in the heat.

    They even wear them in the airport and yes they wear them in a restaurant.
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    « Reply #148 on: June 20, 2014, 11:01:15 AM »
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    Well, regardless, they (1) wore a collar and (2) were in some kind of official uniform that unmistakably identified them as priests.

    No doubt about that.  Just not the cassock.


    This is ridiculous. In every FSSP parish I have attended the priests are always wearing cassocks.

    Same goes for SSPX priests - always cassocks.

    The only priests I ever see wearing a black suit with a collar are the N.O. ones.

    I have seen Novus Ordo priests wearing cassocks.


    I have seen one Novus Ordo priest wear a cassock on the street, but then he also celebrates the TLM twice monthly at his parish, which is Our Lady Star of the Sea, in Bremerton, WA.

    I found a trailer for a docuмentary about the FSSP which shows that they wear the cassock at all times. It's a legacy handed down from Archbishop Lefebvre, since the FSSP branched off (or broke away, rather) from the SSPX in 1988.

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