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Pfeifferville West? Pfeiffer at OLHC in Garden Grove
« on: December 06, 2021, 04:34:57 PM »
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  • Pfeiffer was reportedly seen at OLHC in Garden Grove, however I delayed posting the information until I saw a video posted by Pablo the Mexican, who posted a video of Pfeiffer saying Mass Dec. 1st in a private home in Anaheim, close to Our Lady Help of Christians chapel. It appears that he came west soon after he learned that Father Perez died.

    Let us pray that our chapel does not become Pfeifferville West.

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    Re: Pfeifferville West? Pfeiffer at OLHC in Garden Grove
    « Reply #1 on: December 06, 2021, 05:44:42 PM »
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  • A relevant post for those who might have missed it:

    Posted by Catholicus on April 18, 2019, 11:27:19 AM (Link to Topic, Page 4)

    (Forgive me if it will be a long letter)

    Dear Matthew we have to pray for all of us!
    And I think after having to deal with this sort of persons in OLMC we all need a realy good exorcist.
    Believe me, it's the best for all of us, but it is difficult to find one!
    This are the consequences of a modernist church which has abolished exorcists....

    All those who had been in contact with Pablo have to seek help even if it is not immediately noticeable, if you had to deal with him YOU NEED HELP! There are consequences of having anything to do with him and His headquarter (Pfeiferville).
    So many strange things were happening there....


    For example he gave me a food in which I AM SURE he put his blood drops in it, to do me a spell.
    So how spells will he have done  with Fr. Pfeiffer ans others using food?
    I went with him and fr. Pfeiffer once to a takeaway-restaurant. When my dinner was ready he told me that something is missing in the food and he went with my plate to the kitchen of the restaurant, I heard him whisper something very quietly to the chef that came out of the kitchen because he wanted to talk to him.


    I did not understand why he was speaking so secretly to chef. But the chef answered aloud and said that "in these soup do not belong tomato!" and: "But if you want it, how many do you want?" Pablo said silently something and the chef answered loudly: "fine in 3 pieces!"

    I could have gone to Pablo to get my soup back, but I did not, because I didn´t want to leave Fr. Pfeiffer alone sitting at the table.
    I was so naive !!!

    The crazy thing was that before Pablo took my soup, Fr.Pfeiffer din´t want him to do it and yelled at him very loud.
    I wanted to stop both and so I told Fr. Pfeiffer that it was all right, and accepted that Pablo took it and brought it to the chef.

    The strange thing was, when the chef came back from the kitchen and gave him back my soup, Pablo did not come back but he was still standing there with his back to me, he stood there with my soup and I heard a noise of a plastic bag. A child which was traveling with us (friend of Pablo) was all the time like completely hypnotized by Pablo, Pablo called this child and the child went to him with a plastic bag. All this was happening during the timeI was sitting with Fr. Pfeiffer and we were talking about things that are going on in the church.

    Looking to Pablo that called the kid with a plastic bag, I thought maybe he wanted to wrap up my soup, to eat it later in the car (because it was also a takeaway restaurant).


    Since Pablo was always strange I did not ask any questions, I knew that everything was possible with him and that he was little bit crazy.

    But I could not understand what was going on and why he did not bring me the soup. What did he took from the plastic bag and what was he doing with my soup??


    After some minute he brought the child to me with my soup and told me to enjoy. Oh, mad me, I shouldn't have eaten ..
    His behavior seemed so weird that I started to look in internet, so I started with the first inexplicable situation, the one in the restaurant.

    What I had found out was: a witchcraft
    In a dark book of witchcraft and of black magic I found out= A witchcraft that can be done with a soup, but you have to make sure that in this vegetable soup are 3 pieces of Tomato in it, and then you have to do some drops of your blood (I can not remember if it should be 2 or 3 drops) in it.


    After you do so, the witchcraft works and the person who was against you and take this soup, begins to obey and follow you more and to be more and more obedient to you. You need to know that I was disturbing Pablo very much, because compared to others in Pfeifferville, including Fr. Hewko, I was the only person who did not get advice from him and did not let him give me orders (the other person that did not accept Pablo was Fr. Pfeiffers Daddy). No matter what, if he did something in my soup, the soup maybe did´t work the way it had to, but it certainly has some consequences and it is not good to eat poisonous food.

    One day when I was in the priest's house, being asked to help out and clean up a little, Pablos room (yes he was living in the priest house) was open and a person (don´t want to say his name) went out of this room, with fear in his face, and told me that all the resistance priests and bishops are in danger..., because Pablo has something going on with spells, he has on his desk objects like for voodo or santeria witchcraft and some cigars, and has as well as books about HOW TO BRING A PERSON into psychological addiction and about hypnosis.


    In the beginning I really thought this person is just playing a psychological game and is harmless. Even when, after my first night spent in Kentuky, when I woke up in the morning I found a big big clock on my bedside table.
    That means that one has visited me at night. Someone who also had the keys.


    In Kentucky as a visitor I stayed at the seminary, which was allowed because the seminarist were on vacation.
    I didn´t say anything to fr. Pfeiffer or to Fr. Hewko about the huge Clock that someone will have brought in overnight but I asked him, who else has a key except me. It was a new lock and I had received one key but who had the second one?
    Fr. Pfeiffer told me that Pablo has the second key and he told him to give me also the second key but Pablo never obeyed Father Pfeiffer ...

    I stayed normal, said nothing to anyone, and I was friendly to Pablo.

    The next morning, instead, I found something else in my room when I got up= a very big butcher knife.
    Instead of the clock that had disappeared over night, was a butcher knife.

    I thought these are the psychological tricks to scare me. But honestly, it felt a bit strange.
    I got a bit scared but then I told myself that's what he wanted, he's crazy and just wants to scare me because I do not let him dominate me and I do not think highly of him, like the others do.

    He just wants domination and satan wants me to run away and leave this resistance group.
    So I asked God during my prayer time for courage to stay and endure it...

    I started to laughed about these things that were going on and thought it was a game of an adult acting crazy.

    At next I started at night to hear a noice and went to the corridor and saw Pablo standing inside at the door burning with a cigar the carpet.


    He stood with his back to me so he did not see me because he was also in a stooped position.
    He spoke formulas in Spanish. I stayed hidden and quiet behind him, and could listen him talking something strange.
    Then he left 3 holes full of ash on the carpet and went out.

    The next day I cleaned the burned holes of the carpet with the vacuum cleaner but after I went out for a while and came back, I found again the 3 holes full of ashes and a bad odor.

    One night before I fell asleep I smelled the smoke of a cigar, I got up and saw Pablo in the dark standing in the corridor on the front door, he was burning the carpet again. Even this time I stayed calm and thought that this person is only acting weird or a little bit unsane.

    But I looked again on the Internet and found out that it is witchcraft. To burn the carpet with a cigar and to make 3 holes and leave the ashes in the holes with a few curses that should be spoken, it is for hat this place (or person?) burns up, goes up in flames etc.

    No matter what it was, it was a diabolical and I knew that I should not sleep there anymore.

    So I found help by some kindly people who took me in, and Pablo went crazy and wild and yelled that I should stay there and not go away.

    I kept getting calls on my American cellphone number, it was people in spanish who always cursed me. Sometimes women from south america called me and sometimes men and they all cursed me on the phone. They wished me the worst and hung up.

    Who were these people?


    Can someone tell me from the Cathinfo if you have already experienced something like that?

    I didn't answer the phone anymore. But now they became very smart. Whenever Fr. Pfeiffer was gone, as for example in Dallas and other cities, I got calls from these cities. On my smartphone was written for example: call from Dallas or Denver (do not remember exactly the order of the cities). So I thought it was fr. Pfeiffer or a person that was with him, and answered the call, but again a latino person shouted curses in spanish over me. WHO WAS IT?

    Did these people get money to call me and tell me these horrible things?

    If they were paid, with what money they were paid? With the money of donation? Do they raise money and accept donations to use it for something good but then they use it to harm you? Pablo always got access to the bank account from Fr. Pfeiffer as well as donate money.


    I did not understand why so many different people called me several times a day to curse me in Spanish.
    Do you have an idea??

    I thought it was one of those tricks, because I knew that he had certain books about how to make a person dependent and obedient, using terror and psychological tricks.

    I said to myself: no I'm not afraid, I'm strong with God and I'm not scared because these are only power and control games of a sick person but I'm strong because I'm with God and I stay here  (resistance Kentucky) even if satan does not want me to be here.
    So I lived not far from the chapel but no longer on Fr. Pfeiffers ground.

    But what I found questionable, however, was why Pablo wanted to have me on the property.

    So I started doubting if it really was God's will for me to stay or if I should not move away forever....

    What made me move?

    I moved into this property and stayed overnight with the family of Fr. Pfeiffer... I do not want to go into details, I thought it was safe there but now something incomprehensible happened .... in my room.

    I was left alone in this home, I was alone in one room, no matter what I thought I am safe.
    At night a few minutes before midnight, my smartphone started ringing again.
    I did not answer the phone because I thought it was again a person screaming curse.
    With my other smartphone (I had two) I started to listen to the litany of the Saints, in latin as an audio recording.
    The more the phone rang the louder I made the litany and said to myself that I do not have to be afraid.

    Then I did something it should not be done. I hung up! I did not know that one should not act like that. I did not pick up the phone call, but I pressed the red button to reject the call. Later I read that we should not do that either. We should not answer but also not hang up, because pressing the red button means a reaction and it is like opening the door to the curse or the spirit and this can penetrate.

    I did not understand it then and knew nothing about it so I did it.

    At this moment, when I pressed the red button, it was one minute before midnight. I was just looking at the clock, when it struck midnight there was a loud noise, it was as if somebody jumped into my room. Until this moment, I really thought it was all a joke, a prank, and the witchcraft is like a game, without any power or result.

    I was a more rational person and a believer, believing in the power of God more than in Satans acting spirits...

    Pablo always talked about ghosts and demons, freemasons, human sacrifices and fallen angels and exorcism, i did not like to hear about it, and demons and exorcism was not my interest.

    But that night I realized that it was all no joke but satanism.

    There were these fallen angels or whatever it was, that was in my room, there were moving cupboards, it opened and closed the cupboards it also turned on the gas stoven. This something that was making noice, had feet because it walked and even breathes, but it could not approach me for I was kneeling before the cross and prayed.

    On the floor kneeling before the cross I felt safe, and was convinced that this "something" could not get closer to me as long as I stayed kneeling. Then all lights went out and the gas alarm started.......

    Should I get up but be in danger? Or should I stay on my knees but possibly stifle on gas poisoning?

    I stayed on my knees and prayed aloud with the audio recording the Litany of the saints, and took then my smartphone (the one where I got all the bad calls) and called a family member from a priest... this family member came immediately and,
    opened all the windows, and got me out of there ..... I told him nothing about what was going on but this person said immediately: it's Pablo. He always walks in the woods at midnight and who knows what he is doing there on magic. Satan wants you away.
    Do not let him win. He want´s to destroy the RESISTANCE.
    This I was told.

    WHETHER IT WAS SATAN OR GOD THAT WANTED THAT I LEAVE, I HAVE DECIDED IMMEDIATELY TO LEAVE THIS PLACE AND I NEVER WENT BACK.

    This evil person that did all these things to me, threatened me, and then called me to ask how my parents are....that their health are in danger... since then they are ill and many years have passed and they are still ill.

    I myself have a deep sorrow in my heart and a permanent battle... since then and ask for prayer. I pray for all of you and the poor priests and all the souls in need in this fight between heaven and hell.


    May God bless you!! We all need Help and blessings and the intervention from Heaven in this evil time.

    Oportet Christum regnare!










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    Re: Pfeifferville West? Pfeiffer at OLHC in Garden Grove
    « Reply #2 on: October 25, 2023, 02:18:00 AM »
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  • I read this, and... why do I have this hunch that Pablo is the very reason that the Resistance is so divided? Could Pablo be cursing the bishops and priests of the Resistance to such an extent?

    I know it may not sound logical, but these are just my thoughts.

    Only God knows for sure. May He bless you, and may Our Lady keep you.:incense:

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    Re: Pfeifferville West? Pfeiffer at OLHC in Garden Grove
    « Reply #3 on: October 25, 2023, 07:53:20 AM »
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  • I read this, and... why do I have this hunch that Pablo is the very reason that the Resistance is so divided? Could Pablo be cursing the bishops and priests of the Resistance to such an extent?

    I know it may not sound logical, but these are just my thoughts.

    Only God knows for sure. May He bless you, and may Our Lady keep you.:incense:

    This isn't the only account of similar activities that have been reported of Pablo.  Many people believe that he's got Father Pfeiffer under some kind of spell.

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    Re: Pfeifferville West? Pfeiffer at OLHC in Garden Grove
    « Reply #4 on: October 25, 2023, 08:19:12 AM »
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  • I'm astounded that despite warnings of his dark activities going back YEARS people still want to give the benefit of the doubt to this devil.  The OP even wrote that she "laughed" at claims of satanism.  I suspect it's a woman because P the M doesn't usually bother with men.  Too hard to control.  But I don't let Pfeiffer off the hook either because he's very manipulative as well.  He tried hard to persuade me to give my home to him and then he would "let" my family live there.  WOW.

    God may allow the "Resistance" to be destroyed as a punishment for our lack of faith, believing in human solutions to spiritual problems.  If we had been more discerning, Pfeiffer would have never gained a foothold to begin with because we would have seen through him immediately.  I include myself in that because I fell for the smoke and mirrors initially and got caught up in the "movement".  I got out when Ambrose came to town so I was ensnared for a few years.

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    Quote from: Ladislaus 10/25/2023, 7:53:20 AM

    This isn't the only account of similar activities that have been reported of Pablo.  Many people believe that he's got Father Pfeiffer under some kind of spell.

    No, that's not what I observed.  They play good cop/bad cop whereby P the M terrorizes people and then Pfeiffer offers the spiritual remedy, for a price. Pfeiffer is a narcissist and P the M is a psychopath which is a common pairing in criminal activities.  Long before Pfeiffer knew P the M he was known to be a schemer and opportunist.





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    Re: Pfeifferville West? Pfeiffer at OLHC in Garden Grove
    « Reply #5 on: October 25, 2023, 09:07:30 AM »
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  • This isn't the only account of similar activities that have been reported of Pablo.  Many people believe that he's got Father Pfeiffer under some kind of spell.
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    :facepalm:

    This whole thread is filled with superstition. The devil doesn't have the power to control a person's will. This is nonsense.

    The guy who told the campfire story above sounds like he has a few French fries missing in his Happy Meal.

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    Re: Pfeifferville West? Pfeiffer at OLHC in Garden Grove
    « Reply #6 on: October 25, 2023, 10:06:23 AM »
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  • I'm astounded that despite warnings of his dark activities going back YEARS people still want to give the benefit of the doubt to this devil.  The OP even wrote that she "laughed" at claims of satanism.  I suspect it's a woman because P the M doesn't usually bother with men.  Too hard to control.  But I don't let Pfeiffer off the hook either because he's very manipulative as well.

    Any Trad Catholic who scoffs or "laughs" at claims of satanism deserves EVERYTHING they get.

    Are we Catholics or not? Do we have the Faith or not? Come on, the devil exists! We can't act and believe exactly the same as atheists who don't believe in God or the supernatural.

    And NO, it's not "superstition" to suggest that the devil is real, existing in "the real world". UNFORTUNATELY, HE VERY MUCH EXISTS IN THE REAL WORLD. The Bible and Lives of the Saints aren't just "stories". They took place in the same REAL WORLD that you and I are living and breathing in today.

    Either you have the Faith, or you don't. Either you scoff at everything supernatural like Neil Degrasse Tyson or Richard Dawkins, or you don't.

    This reminds me of some neo-SSPX priests, like one accordista who reportedly laughed when the Freemasonic infiltration of the Church was brought up. This was a priest who was 100% trained under +Williamson! He KNEW better. But he scoffed when the REALITY of Freemasons was brought up.
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    Re: Pfeifferville West? Pfeiffer at OLHC in Garden Grove
    « Reply #7 on: October 25, 2023, 10:13:01 AM »
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  • And Fr Hewko was intimately involved in Boston, KY at this time when Pablo had free rein and seemed to have done nothing about him. Additionally, he has never recanted his time there. Yet another sign of appallingly bad judgement. And then there is the Ambrose Moran affair!!! 

    The English editor (Gregory Taylor) of the Recusant publication, now no longer available, also called Pablo, "a perfect Christian gentleman". Either poor judgement again or Pablo had him under his spell as well.


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    Re: Pfeifferville West? Pfeiffer at OLHC in Garden Grove
    « Reply #8 on: October 25, 2023, 10:16:06 AM »
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  • God may allow the "Resistance" to be destroyed as a punishment for our lack of faith, believing in human solutions to spiritual problems.  If we had been more discerning, Pfeiffer would have never gained a foothold to begin with because we would have seen through him immediately.  I include myself in that because I fell for the smoke and mirrors initially and got caught up in the "movement".  I got out when Ambrose came to town so I was ensnared for a few years.

    I was involved in the early Resistance too, and initially supported Fr. Pfeiffer. I "got out" as soon as he did the first Bad Guy thing, specifically attacking men I knew to be good: +Williamson and (then Fr.) +Zendejas. His sermons had lies in them, like the assertion Fr. Zendejas was "stealing his chapel(s)". Fortunately I was blessed to know the truth of THAT matter first hand. I later added many other charges to Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer's "rap sheet". But one serious issue is enough to avoid him completely.

    And I acted immediately when I found out about Pablo's long-standing superstition and dabbling with the devil. That Phoenix news article "The Devil and Mr. Hernandez" was the main eye-opener for me. That's when I decided to ban Pablo from CathInfo, despite me having ZERO dispute, altercation or issues with him at the time. It was 100% rational, 100% a matter of principle, for the good of Tradition. You just don't treat with the devil in that way. Every red flag was raised, every Catholic fiber in my being screamed that his behavior was wrong.

    P.S.
    The Internet is forever! The 2001 article is STILL up. NOTE: Pablo 100% owned this article, and had no problems with it, when I brought it up in 2013 (right before I banned him).

    https://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/the-devil-and-mr-hernandez-6418725
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    Re: Pfeifferville West? Pfeiffer at OLHC in Garden Grove
    « Reply #9 on: October 25, 2023, 10:20:00 AM »
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  • Paul Hernandez sits in a dimly lighted two-room apartment on the west side of Phoenix and prepares for battle. Hernandez has no accomplices. He brandishes no firearms, no blunt instruments. His only weapons are a wooden crucifix, a bottle of holy water on a corner bookshelf, and a hardbound prayer...
    By Gilbert Garcia
    February 8, 2001

    Paul Hernandez sits in a dimly lighted two-room apartment on the west side of Phoenix and prepares for battle.
    Hernandez has no accomplices. He brandishes no firearms, no blunt instruments. His only weapons are a wooden crucifix, a bottle of holy water on a corner bookshelf, and a hardbound prayer book spread out on a small Formica dining table.

    The 49-year-old Hernandez isn't primed for gang warfare or a confrontation with cops. He's a self-styled exorcist, a spiritual vigilante who's spent the past 19 years trying to smack Satan into submission.

    This work can get dicey, Hernandez is quick to advise you. He says he was once rushed to Good Samaritan Regional Medical Center after evil apparitions pounded his kidneys. He says that on another occasion, four cherubic-looking little demons restrained his arms and legs while he was reclining in a La-Z-Boy chair. He also recounts being plagued by a series of mysterious eye infections and foot ailments over the years.

    If all this is true -- it's difficult to confirm most of his stories and those who have asked him to perform exorcisms describe much more mundane sessions than Hernandez -- why does he put himself through the aggravation? After all, he's not a priest or an appointed church official. He's a plumber by trade, better equipped to expel clogs from a drain than demons from a human body.

    "It's because I hate evil that much," explains Hernandez, in a serene but dead-serious monotone voice that can get a bit spooky in big doses.

    Dressed in his uniform of choice -- black tee shirt, faded blue jeans and tennis shoes -- Hernandez looks like any number of his compatriots in the local pipefitters union, a group that he himself describes as "a bunch of brawlers and bar fighters."

    He has bronze skin, a bushy, black mustache and coarse, dark hair, sprinkled with gray around the temples. He's soft and pudgy in the middle, but his biceps have the ripples that come from nearly three decades of sweat-inducing manual labor.

    Hernandez brings some of that brawling, pipefitter mentality to his exorcism work. Confronted with a person he believes to be demonically possessed, his first response is to disregard church piety and simply shout at the devil -- as he would at a lazy co-worker: "Hey, knock off the bullshit!"

    For the past three weeks, Hernandez has been minding the home of an illegal immigrant and her young daughter. He says the woman was sɛҳuąƖly assaulted in her sleep by some unseen force, and left with bruises all over her body.

    To Hernandez, her story sounded like a classic case of demonic attack. So he offered to look after her apartment while she visited relatives in Mexico, and promised to punish those evil forces when they decided they were ready to rumble.

    So on a Saturday night in mid-December, while many Phoenicians are getting sloshed at Christmas parties, Hernandez sits by himself in this sparsely furnished room, with nothing but a cheap boom box and a pack of Marlboro Lights to keep him company, endlessly waiting for heaven (make that Hell) knows what. But to hear him tell it, waiting is far more pleasant than the alternative...


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    Re: Pfeifferville West? Pfeiffer at OLHC in Garden Grove
    « Reply #10 on: October 25, 2023, 10:23:48 AM »
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  • He's a self-styled exorcist, a spiritual vigilante who's spent the past 19 years trying to smack Satan into submission.

    ...AAAAAAnd that is how you end up possessed by the devil. A mere pompous, proud human doesn't "smack satan into submission".

    You need the power of God, clothed with Obedience and Humility, in the state of Grace (i.e., not owned by the devil already), to do battle with the devil.

    Here is what happens when people take on the devil without being appointed by the Church to do so:

    Acts of the Apostles chapter 19:
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    13 Now some also of the Jєωιѕн exorcists who went about, attempted to invoke over them that had evil spirits, the name of the Lord Jesus, saying: I conjure you by Jesus, whom Paul preacheth.  14 And there were certain men, seven sons of Sceva, a Jєω, a chief priest, that did this  15 But the wicked spirit, answering, said to them: Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are you?

    16 And the man in whom the wicked spirit was, leaping upon them, and mastering them both, prevailed against them, so that they fled out of that house naked and wounded.

    Those over 18 can fill in the details of just how the possessed man "mastered" them, and how they were both naked AND wounded...

    This is what happens when you mess with the devil! Leave him alone. Self-defense, yes. But we're not Ghostbusters! Leave the professional demon-fighting to PRIESTS who are appointed by the CHURCH, having the shield of OBEDIENCE and a plausible claim of HUMILITY since they didn't take on the task themselves.
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    Re: Pfeifferville West? Pfeiffer at OLHC in Garden Grove
    « Reply #11 on: October 25, 2023, 11:14:16 AM »
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  • :facepalm:

    This whole thread is filled with superstition. The devil doesn't have the power to control a person's will. This is nonsense.

    The guy who told the campfire story above sounds like he has a few French fries missing in his Happy Meal.

    What are you talking about?  Sometimes you write as though you have no faith.  While core free will is sacrosanct and cannot be touched by the demons, the fact that demons can strongly influence all other aspects of behavior outside of that is extremely well established by true pre-Vatican-II demonologists.  Curses are real, and they can and do bring an extreme increase in diabolical activity against the target of the curse.  In cases of possession, the demon can take full control over someone's body.  They are capable of making suggestions to one's mind, darkening thoughts, impairing judgment, and pretty much anything besides violating core free will.

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    Re: Pfeifferville West? Pfeiffer at OLHC in Garden Grove
    « Reply #12 on: October 25, 2023, 11:16:18 AM »
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    The devil doesn't have the power to control a person's will. This is nonsense.
    Yes, if a person opens himself up to the devil/occult.  Fr Amorth, who was the top exorcist in Rome, wrote a book where he talks about the various degrees of demonic influence, which can happen before/below actual possession.  A person is also open to such attacks from others, if they are in mortal sin.  Pablo openly plays around with mexican witchcraft and "fights" the devil as a layman.  Fr P has been attached to the hip with Pablo for years now.  Why?  There's real danger there.

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    Re: Pfeifferville West? Pfeiffer at OLHC in Garden Grove
    « Reply #13 on: October 25, 2023, 11:18:03 AM »
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  • Any Trad Catholic who scoffs or "laughs" at claims of satanism deserves EVERYTHING they get.

    Are we Catholics or not? Do we have the Faith or not? Come on, the devil exists! We can't act and believe exactly the same as atheists who don't believe in God or the supernatural.

    And NO, it's not "superstition" to suggest that the devil is real, existing in "the real world". UNFORTUNATELY, HE VERY MUCH EXISTS IN THE REAL WORLD. The Bible and Lives of the Saints aren't just "stories". They took place in the same REAL WORLD that you and I are living and breathing in today.

    Either you have the Faith, or you don't. Either you scoff at everything supernatural like Neil Degrasse Tyson or Richard Dawkins, or you don't.

    This reminds me of some neo-SSPX priests, like one accordista who reportedly laughed when the Freemasonic infiltration of the Church was brought up. This was a priest who was 100% trained under +Williamson! He KNEW better. But he scoffed when the REALITY of Freemasons was brought up.

    I see that you're responding to Yeti also here.  There's nothing "superstitious" about this stuff.  Curses and diabolical activity are very real and respectable pre-V2 demonologists vouch for this.  Just because they can't ultimately alter your free will, it doesn't mean they can't exert a tremendous oppression onto it.

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    Re: Pfeifferville West? Pfeiffer at OLHC in Garden Grove
    « Reply #14 on: October 25, 2023, 11:33:03 AM »
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  • I know this isn't proof of any kind, but to help illustrate how evil can INFLUENCE but not VIOLATE Free Will, read/watch something by a solid Catholic like Tolkien.

    The One Ring doesn't violate Free Will, but it has a strong influence on most peoples. You don't "mess" with Sauron or get into a battle of wills with such a strong powerful being. That's how you end up his slave.

    Likewise, Catholic teaching says that you don't start talking with the devil. Or, like Saruman (another bad guy in LoTR) he will use his powers of speech to convince you. While he speaks, everything he utters sounds eminently reasonable and good. Anyone who contradicts these words seems like an enemy and a fool. You should read how Tolkien describes his bewitching words -- it's brilliant.
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