Interesting, I guess one could say that 1929-1945 was the sixth age of the church, and Pius XII was the angelic pontiff BUT the GCM wasn’t on earth , the reason Pius XII is the AP is because it will be HIM who is the angelic pontiff spoken of by holzhauser? Dare I say we may see the return of AH or Mussolini?


are we sure from the text that Ven Holzhaser was claiming Apocalypse ten is during the second woe, because we can’t tell from plain exegesis that Apocalypse is chronological

1. Just to be clear, do we agree that the concept of "the sixth age of the Church" that you are referring to comes from Ven. Holzhauser's writings? In other words, is Holzhauser the source of this concept?

2. If you answer yes to #1, do you agree that Ven. Holzhauser says that the Great Monarch/Angelic Pope arrives on the scene during "the sixth age of the Church?"

3. If you answer yes to #2, do you agree to the following: IF Ven. Holzhauser identified the "angels" discussed in Apocalypse, chapter 10 with the arrival of Great Monarch/Angelic Pope, THEN we should use the event sequence in the Apocalypse to determine WHEN "the sixth age of the Church" falls in relation to other events discussed in the Apocalypse?

4. If you answer yes to #3, do you agree that St. John described the sequence of events occurring one after the other in Apocalypse 9:11-12? He says that, within the sequence of the Trumpets, the "first woe" was finished at that point and two more woes were to follow.

5. If you answer yes to #4, do you agree that the events described in Apocalypse 10 occur during the "second woe" of the Apocalypse? See that St. John says that the "first woe" ends and the "second woe" begins at Apocalypse 9:12. He says the "second woe" ends and the "third woe" begins "quickly" at Apocalypse 11:14. Apocalypse 10 falls in the "second woe," yes?


Most of the Apocalypse is not sequential. But the part about the "woes" is sequential. How do I know this? Because St. John himself says that those three periods (first woe, second woe, third woe) occur one after the other. Do we agree on this?

1. Yes.
2. Yes.
3. No, if the seventh age begins with the coming of the antichrist, or even the antichrist system (v2 antichurch/antipopes) which is the first woe, it simply means that the GM/AP weren’t in the sixth age, which further solidifies the idea that the sixth age was from 1929-1958.
4. despite answering no to the previous question, yes.
5. Yes, I was just speculating in my previous reply.

Okay. So let's just focus on the issues that you don't agree with in #3. I will restate what I said:

3. If you answer yes to #2, do you agree to the following: IF Ven. Holzhauser identified the "angels" discussed in Apocalypse, chapter 10 with the arrival of Great Monarch/Angelic Pope, THEN we should use the event sequence in the Apocalypse to determine WHEN "the sixth age of the Church" falls in relation to other events discussed in the Apocalypse?

And here is what you replied to that:

3. No, if the seventh age begins with the coming of the antichrist, or even the antichrist system (v2 antichurch/antipopes) which is the first woe, it simply means that the GM/AP weren’t in the sixth age, which further solidifies the idea that the sixth age was from 1929-1958.

Holzhauser said that the seventh age begins the "coming of the Antichrist." Yes, I agree with that, with a few caveats.

The "coming of the Antichrist" means, for Holzhauser, that the Antichrist is finally "revealed" [see 2Thess2:7-8]. This "revelation" happens at the same time the GM/AP come on the scene. In fact, the GM/AP are the instruments of that "revelation" of the Antichrist. Holzhauser seems to agree with this because he places the appearance of the GM/AP right where I would expect them to show up, in Apocalypse 10, which is like the watershed moment of the end times.

But prior to the "outing" of Antichrist, he was alive and well. He was doing the same job that he will be doing after he is "revealed." Up until his "revelation" he has been "the mystery of iniquity [that] already worketh." He has been deceiving everyone who has been following him. That is his modus operandi: deception. This is from St. Paul in 2 Thessalonians 2, not from me. Please read it again. Holzhauser is not contradicting St. Paul.

Holzhauser is not mentioning Antichrist in the Fifth Age because Antichrist is still hidden qua Antichrist, but he is still "working." This is the period of the "wars" of the Fifth Age. These are the "wars" inside the Roman Catholic Church since Vatican II. The hidden Antichrist is an antipope, the "not canonically-elected" destroyer of the St. Francis of Assisi prophecy. His name is Jorge Mario Bergoglio. Bergoglio and all of his heresies and synodalities are the culmination of the Fifth Age.

Bergoglio is about to be supernaturally "revealed" by the instruments of God (the GM/AP) as the Antichrist. This will happen very soon. But before that "revelation," most of the world is deceived into thinking Bergoglio is actually the leader (the Pope) of the Roman Catholic Church. Almost no one questions this. Even most "trads." But after the supernatural "revelation," everyone will know who Bergoglio really is.

So Holzhauser is calling the Seventh Age "the age of Antichrist" because it is when the Antichrist and his Ten Horns finally complete their demolition of the false church and set up the new religion of Freemasonic humanism, aka the Synodal Church.

Before that happens, however, the very short Sixth Age starts with the supernatural Warning and the "respite," the very short time of peace when the world digests what they experienced during the Warning. This short time will be peaceful and the Faith will flourish. It will be a period when billions of people are open to the True Faith because they were just stunned by the supernatural Warning and the teachings of the Angelic Pope. It will be like a near-death experience for these people. They will seek to know the Truth.

But after a few months (or less), the Antichrist and Ten Horns machine will reboot. They and the world-wide media machine will answer all of the questions about the Warning. They will claim that it was not supernatural. They will use the media to convince those who initially converted that it was all just chemicals in their brains caused by fear, that it wasn't God at all. They will tell them it is okay to go back to their sinful lives, and most will choose to do so. Only a few will persevere until the end because of the heroic efforts of some Christians (symbolized by the Two Witnesses). The media and "the science" will be used like they were during Covid. All of this will happen in the next handful of years.

So, what I have explained above, fits perfectly into the three "woe" sequence in the Apocalypse that we were discussing.

First woe, the hidden Antichrist/Antipope is working and destroying the Church for years.

Second woe, the Antipope is revealed to be the Antichrist and a short peace of no more than a few months occurs and the "Two Witnesses" then try to retain as many converts as possible before the remaining few years is up.

Third woe, when the mission of the Two Witnesses ends, all sinners who did not convert are destroyed very quickly.

God will then supernaturally transform the world into the New Heaven and New Earth, which will only be inhabited by the saints. That is the big picture sequence of St. John's Apocalypse. The geo-political events that will occur are tactical deceptions/orchestrations used by the Antichristian, Freemasonic forces to distract everyone from what is truly at stake, which is their eternal salvation. The Antichrist will try to convince everyone that we must have world peace and the only way to attain that is to reject religious exclusivity and tolerate sin.

Sorry to be so long winded. But I wanted to explain the full narrative rather than me confusing you with piecemeal comments.

Bergoglio isn't the antichrist, probably not even the false prophet.
To be either of those he would need to be a joo and at least have a modicuм
of charisma, which he has none. 
I really believe that the only people who actually pay any attention to him
are Trad Catholics. Everybody else, whether it be the novus ordo or secular world
just yawns whenever he mumbles something in that milquetoast voice of his.
It's easy for people like us to take note of anything coming out of the Vatican
but the rest of the world? The pope doesn't even rank higher than some 3rd rate
pop star in terms of interest level. 
One last thing, it's not like the powerful money men are taking orders from the pope.
It's the other way around. 
As Fr. Chazal has said, we're in a post Christian world now. It's almost completely pagan
in terms of people's behavior. 

Not sure your timeline makes sense.

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It makes more sense if, as many prophecies say, the 6th age of the church is the arrival of the Holy Monarch/Angelic Pope.  This peace lasts a few decades (40-50 years) and then at the tale end of this peace is when the antichrist is born (right at the death of the Holy Monarch, which officially ends the peace God gives to the world).  Then, in the aftermath of the Monarch's death, as the Empire devolves and adjusts from 1 emperor to 10 (as Scripture says the world is divided into 10 kingdoms)...in this political aftermath, the kings start to war against each other.

Antichrist is said to come on the scene at a young age and be a child-military prodigy.  Which he uses to cajole certain kings to follow him.  Eventually, per Scripture, he gets 7 kings to follow him and they make war on the final 3, who reject him.  Once they overcome the 3 kingdoms, he is given control over the entire world.

This starts his period of rule and the 3.5 years of persecution.

The Fifth Age describes the Crisis in the Church after Vatican II. The "wars" are battles for the souls in the Church.

Ven. Holzhauser pinpoints the arrival of the Great Monarch/Angelic Pope in the period described in Apocalypse 10. I provided the quote above. Apocalypse Chapter 10 refers to a very short period of time. It is a description of the Warning and its immediate aftermath.

As I showed in the posts above, St. John says that the person known as the Antichrist comes on the scene BEFORE the GM/AP. The GM/AP "reveal" the Antichrist, who "already worketh," to all the "blind" people who cannot see him for who he is. It is a kind of Transfiguration moment. In the Warning, Jesus Christ reveals Himself to all souls through an illumination or epiphany [2 Thessalonians 2:8]. Jesus reveals Antichrist by the "brightness of his coming" [illustratione adventus sui].

You are reading prophetic spiritual descriptions as if they referred to geo-political realities. That is incorrect. The Bible prophecies and true private revelations are concerned primarily with spiritual matters. As I said to you in an earlier post, the Jews made the exact same mistake. They interpreted the spiritual OT prophecies in a material way and, because of that, could not recognize that Jesus was the prophesied Messiah.

There is no need to argue over it. The Warning is going to happen very soon. Please prepare yourself for it.

The Fifth Age describes the Crisis in the Church after Vatican II. The "wars" are battles for the souls in the Church.

Ven. Holzhauser pinpoints the arrival of the Great Monarch/Angelic Pope in the period described in Apocalypse 10. I provided the quote above. Apocalypse Chapter 10 refers to a very short period of time. It is a description of the Warning and its immediate aftermath.

As I showed in the posts above, St. John says that the person known as the Antichrist comes on the scene BEFORE the GM/AP. The GM/AP "reveal" the Antichrist, who "already worketh," to all the "blind" people who cannot see him for who he is. It is a kind of Transfiguration moment. In the Warning, Jesus Christ reveals Himself to all souls through an illumination or epiphany [2 Thessalonians 2:8]. Jesus reveals Antichrist by the "brightness of his coming" [illustratione adventus sui].

You are reading prophetic spiritual descriptions as if they referred to geo-political realities. That is incorrect. The Bible prophecies and true private revelations are concerned primarily with spiritual matters. As I said to you in an earlier post, the Jews made the exact same mistake. They interpreted the spiritual OT prophecies in a material way and, because of that, could not recognize that Jesus was the prophesied Messiah.

There is no need to argue over it. The Warning is going to happen very soon. Please prepare yourself for it.

The fifth age was started by Luther……..

The antichrist is supposed to be LITERALLY 33 years of age, same as Christ.
Bergoglio is 88 years old. 
I don't think "The Warning" came from any approved apparitions.  Also, I have never read of anyone prior to the 1900s talk about it.  Seems new-age.

So according to you, the first 4 ages of the Church = 1,960 years
5th Age = 65 years  (1960 - 2025)
6th Age = less than 1 year (2025-2026)
7th Age = 5 years??  (2026-2031 ish)

That timeline doesn't seem consistent.  The final 3 ages seem overly compressed into too small of a time window.  Doesn't make sense.

The quote that the Antichrist will be 33 years old is from a private revelation. I don't remember which one. It is definitely not important. You brought it up as if it was. Of course, you interpreted it literally. I showed you how it can be understood in a different way that sheds light on the true nature of the Antichrist, i.e., that he is an antipope of the Roman Catholic Church. He is an infiltrator who "sits in the temple of God" and "acts as if he is God" [2 Thessalonians 2]. An Antipope is going to be a very old man, not a 33 year old. But he will have been a bishop for 33 years when the Antichrist is "revealed."

The event of what is commonly called "the Warning" appears in many books of the Bible. The Warning is the announcement of Christ's Second Coming, not the Second Coming itself. It is the "epiphany" of His coming. It is the putting on notice of all mankind that He will come as judge soon after. I will name just a few places in the Bible where you can find this event referred to:  Zephaniah 1:8-17 and Apocalypse 14:6-10.

And I already provided the video to the Dies Irae hymn which is Gradual for the Requiem Mass. Here it is again:



You should meditate on the words of that hymn. That is how one should expect the Warning to be, a Day of Tears and Repentance. It doesn't get any more "traditional Catholic" than that.

Regarding Holzhauser's Ages of the Church, I bring this up because it seems that people like you focus on his interpretation of the Apocalypse. He tells us the period that he calls "the sixth age" is described in Apocalypse Chapter 10. This episode happens during the "second woe." There is not a 50 year break in the action of the Apocalypse. It is a short period of correction and instruction to get the spiritual army ready for battle (to save souls) in the time leading up to the Second Coming.

Holzhauser's Seventh Age is known as the "age of desolation," as in the period marked by the effects of the Abomination of Desolation. This period is no more than 3.5 years, after which is the "end of the age." At the end, the world will be supernaturally transformed into the New Heaven and New Earth [Apocalypse 21 and 22]. 

What makes you think he isn’t a jew

umm, for the same reason I don't know if you're a jew. I haven't seen any evidence to support he is.
His physiognomy doesn't suggest it.
Question: If you really believe he is the antichrist how do you expect a feeble old man with one foot in the grave and the other on banana peel to rally and command armies, convince all the hebrews he is their messiah, persuade most of planet earth to accept the mark of the beast?