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Re: Period of peace (question for angelus)
« Reply #30 on: March 18, 2025, 04:18:57 PM »
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  • Go read the Church Fathers and get some positivity in your life. 

    You mean like St. Augustine, St. Thomas of Aquinas, on God's Predestination of the elect based on nothing but God's gratuitous election ante praevisa merita?

    This is rich, coming from you.

    You mean the non-sourced quotes of late coming "mystics" quoted without citation in DuPont or what not.

    Give me a break.
    Rom. 3:25 Whom God hath proposed to be a propitiation, through faith in his blood, to the shewing of his justice, for the remission of former sins" 

    Apoc 17:17 For God hath given into their hearts to do that which pleaseth him: that they give their kingdom to the beast, till the words of God be fulfilled.

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    Re: Period of peace (question for angelus)
    « Reply #31 on: March 18, 2025, 04:20:42 PM »
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  • Quotes from Saints, speaking of the a coming Great and Holy King and His Holy Roman Empire


    St Methodius (4th cent)
    "A day will come when the enemies of Christ [freemasons] will boast of having conquered the whole world.  They will say, "Christians cannot escape now!"  But a great King will arise to fight the enemies of God.  He will defeat them, and peace will be given to the world, and the Church will be freed from Her anxieties."

    ---

    St Remigius (5th cent), Bishop of France who baptized King Clovis and 3,000 followers into the Faith in 496 AD.
    "Take notice that the Kingdom of France is predestined by God for the defense of the Roman Church which is the only true Church of Christ.  This kingdom shall someday be great among the kingdoms of the earth, and shall embrace all the limits of the Roman Empire, and shall submit all other kingdoms to its own scepter."

    [France has never held this much territory under its power.  It has never embraced all the limits of the Roman Empire.  If this prophecy is true, it is yet to come.]


    St Epheaem (5th cent):
    "Then the Lord from his glorious heaven shall set up His peace.  And the kingdom of the Romans [Roman Empire] shall rise in place of this latter people, and establish its dominion upon the earth, even to its ends, and there shall be no one who will resist it.

    After iniquity shall have multiplied, and all creatures have become defiled, then Divine Justice shall appear, and shall wholly destroy the people, and coming forth from perdition, the man of iniquity [anti-christ] shall be revealed upon the earth, the Seducer of men, and the distruber of the whole earth."


    St Caesar of Arles, France (6th cent), Father of the Church, according to Jurgen's "Faith of the Early Fathers".  Presided over the 2nd Council of Orange in 529 AD against Pelagianism.
    "When the entire world, and in a special way France - especially the provinces of the north, the east, and above all that of Lorraine and Champagne - shall have been laid waste by the greatest miseries and trials, then the provinces shall be comforted by a prince who had been exiled in his youth, and who shall recover the crown of the lilies.  This prince shall extend his dominion over the total universe.

    At the same time, by the will of God, a most holy man shall receive the Papacy, who will be most perfect in every spiritual perfection.  This Pope will have with him the great Monarch, the most virtuous man, who shall be an eminent leader of the holy line of French Kings.  This great Monarch shall assist the Pope in the reformation of the whole earth.  Many nations and their princes that are living in error and impiety shall be converted and an admirable peace shall reign among men during many years, because the wrath of God shall be appeased through their repentence, penance and good works.  There will be one common law, only one faith, one baptism, one religion.

    All nations shall recognize the Holy See of Rome, and shall pay homage to the Pope.  But after an extended period of time, fervor will cool, inquity will abound and moral corruption shall become worse than ever before, which shall bring upon mankind the last and worst persecution of anti-christ and the end of the world."


    St Catald(us)  (7th cent):
    "The Great King will wage war till he is 40 years of age.  He will assemble great armies and hurl back the tyrants out of his empire."


    Rabanus Maurus  (9th cent), the most thorough chronicler of both prophecy and Oral Tradition in Western Europe.  He was abbot of the famous Benedictine Monastery in Fulda.  According to the Catholic Encyclopedia, "His fame as a teacher spread all over Europe.  He was the most learned man of his age.  In scripture and patristic knowledge, he had no equal and was thoroughly conversant in canon law and liturgy."

    "Our principle Doctors [teachers of the Faith] agree in telling us, that towards the end of time one of the descendents of the kings of France shall reign over all the Roman Empire; and that he shall be the greatest of the French Monarchs and the last of his race.  After having governed well his kingdom, he shall go to Jerusalem and lay down his scepter and crown at Mt Olivet.  This shall be the conclusion of the Roman and Christian Empire."


    ---
    St Anslem  (11th cent), Doctor of the Church
    "Certain Doctors [esteemed teachers of the Faith] truly say, that one of the kings of the Frankish Empire shall possess it in its entirety, which King shall live in the last time and shall be the greatest and last of kings.  Who after he shall have happily governed his Kingdom, shall come to Jerusalem and lay down his scepter and crown on Mt Olivet.  He shall be the last and consummate Emperor of the Roman and Christian Empire.

    And immediately thereupon [after he lays down his scepter/crown], according to the sentence of Paul, they [esteemed teachers of the Faith] say antichrist will come."


    St Hildegard (12th cent)
    ...There are so many prophecies from St Hildegard that you can look them up yourself.


    St Thomas a'Becket (12th cent)
    "A knight shall come from the West.  He shall capture Milan, Lombardy and the three Crowns [Italy].  He shall then sail to Cyprus and Famagoste and land at Jaffa [the oldest part of Tel Aviv, Israel], and reach Christ's grave, where he will fight.  Wars and wonders shall befall until the people believe in Christ toward the end of the world."


    William D'Otrante (13th cent), an abbot of a monastery in Southern Italy
    "The Great Monarch and the great pope will preceed anti-christ.  The nations will be at war for 4 years and a great part of the world will be destroyed.  The pope will go over the sea carrying the sign of Redemption on his forehead.  The Great Monarch will come to restore peace and the Pope will share the victory.  Peace will reign on earth."

    ---

    John of Vatiguerro (13th cent)
    "Spoilation, pillaging and devastation of that most famous city which is the capital and mistress of France [Paris] will take place when the Church and the world are grievously troubled.  The Pope will change his residence and the Church will not be defended for 25 months or more, because during all that time, there will be no Pope in Rome, no emperor and no ruler in France.  But, after this, a young captive Prince shall recover the Crown of the Lilies and shall extend his dominion all over the world."

    ---

    St Vicent Ferrer (14th cent), known as the "Angel of Judgement" spoken of in the Apocalypse.
    "Armies from the East, West and North will fight together in Italy and the Eagle [Great Monarch] shall capture the false king, and all things shall be made obedient unto him, and there shall be a new reformation in the world.


    ---------------------------

    Concerning the Fall of the Roman Empire and the rise of the anti-christ...


    St Cyril of Jerusalem (4th cent):  Speaking of the fall of the Roman Empire and the rise of the anti-christ
    "Since the true Christ is to come a second time, the adversary makes use of the expectation of the simple, and especially of those of the circuмcision [the joos]; and he brings in a certain man who is a magician, and who is quite expert in sorceries and enchantments of beguiling craftiness.  This one shall seize the power of the Roman Empire, and shall falsely style himself Christ.  By the name of Christ he shall deceive the joos, who are expecting the Annointed and he shall seduce the gentiles by his magical illusions.

    This aforementioned anti-christ is to come when the times of the Roman Empire have been fulfilled and the end of the world is drawing near.  There shall rise up together ten kings of the Romans, reigning in different parts, perhaps, but all reigning at the same time.  After these there shall be an eleventh, the anti-christ, who by the evil power of magic [false miracles] shall seize upon the Roman Power.  Of the kings who reigned before him, 3 shall be humble and the remaining 7 he shall have as subjects under him [see book of Daniel].  He shall desplay against all men and especially against Christians, a spirit that is murderous and most cruel, merciless and wily.  For three years and six months only shall he be the perpetrator of such things.

    Now these things we teach not of our own ingenuity...that this kingdom is that of the Romans has been the tradition of the Church's interpreters..."

    ---

    St John Chrysostom (4th cent):
    "In the same way as those kingdoms which existed before the Roman Empire were destroyed (the Babylonian by the Persian, the Persian by the Greek, the Greek by the Roman), so will the Roman Empire be destroyed by anti-christ.  This will happen when the Roman Empire shall have been divided into 10 kingdoms [after the Holy Monarch dies]."

    ---


    St Jerome (4th cent)...in his commentary on the Book of Daniel:
    "Therefore, let us state what all the Ecclesiastical writers [omnes scriptores ecclesiastici] have passed down [tradiderunt]: At the consummation of the world, when the Kingdom of the Romans has been destroyed, when ten kings shall have divided the territory of the Romans between themselves, an eleventh shall rise to a small kingdom, who when he shall have overcome three of the ten kings, i.e. the kingdom of the Egyptians, of the Africans and of the Ethiopians and consequently as we learn more manifestly - whom he shall have killed, the other seven kings shall submit their necks to the victor [the eleventh king].

    Who is the eleventh king?  St Jerome explains:

    "Nor do we think him to be the Devil or a demon, as some others do, but one of mankind in whom satan shall dwell totally...his mouth uttering great boasts, for he is the man of sin, the son of perdition, such that he will seat himself in the Temple as if he were God.  [Here Jerome is directly quoting from St Paul's description of the anti-christ in 2nd Thessalonians, 2:15]






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    Re: Period of peace (question for angelus)
    « Reply #32 on: March 18, 2025, 04:55:32 PM »
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  • Despise not prophecies. (1 Thess 5:20)

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    Re: Period of peace (question for angelus)
    « Reply #33 on: March 18, 2025, 06:32:51 PM »
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  • I will go through each one of these. My comments in red:


    Quotes from Saints, speaking of the a coming Great and Holy King and His Holy Roman Empire
     



    St Methodius (4th cent) 
    "A day will come when the enemies of Christ [freemasons] will boast of having conquered the whole world.  They will say, "Christians cannot escape now!"  But a great King will arise to fight the enemies of God.  He will defeat them, and peace will be given to the world, and the Church will be freed from Her anxieties."

    True. Consistent with the Apocalypse 17:14. Apocalypse 19:5-21. Apocalypse 10:1-6 (according to Holzhauser). Note that there is nothing here about a geo-political peace that lasts 50-100 years. This "peace" is what I called the "respite." Very short, like days or weeks...definitely not more than a few months for the perspective of human time.
    ---

    St Remigius (5th cent), Bishop of France who baptized King Clovis and 3,000 followers into the Faith in 496 AD.
    "Take notice that the Kingdom of France is predestined by God for the defense of the Roman Church which is the only true Church of Christ.  This kingdom shall someday be great among the kingdoms of the earth, and shall embrace all the limits of the Roman Empire, and shall submit all other kingdoms to its own scepter."

    [France has never held this much territory under its power.  It has never embraced all the limits of the Roman Empire.  If this prophecy is true, it is yet to come.]

    I'm not sure this is even an apocalyptic prophecy. It sounds more like a pious nationalistic statement from a Bishop of France. I would need more context to know if it fits in with the Holy Pope/Great Monarch prophecies. It doesn't sound like it. And anyway, at that time the "Franks" held a very small area. You can look up the image by Google. The Kingdom of France expanded far beyond those humble beginnings.


    St Epheaem (5th cent)
    "Then the Lord from his glorious heaven shall set up His peace.  And the kingdom of the Romans [Roman Empire] shall rise in place of this latter people, and establish its dominion upon the earth, even to its ends, and there shall be no one who will resist it. 

    After iniquity shall have multiplied, and all creatures have become defiled, then Divine Justice shall appear, and shall wholly destroy the people, and coming forth from perdition, the man of iniquity [anti-christ] shall be revealed upon the earth, the Seducer of men, and the distruber of the whole earth."

    This is a commentary/interpretation of the Apocalypse, not a prophecy. It is from an author known as Pseudo-Ephraem. You can read about it here: (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apocalypse_of_Pseudo-Ephraem). St. Ephraem the Syrian, Doctor of the Church, lived a hundred of years before. He died in 373AD. So, the Saint died in the 4th Century, and therefore could not have produced a docuмent from the 5th Century. Pseudo-Ephraem is from the 5th Century.



    St Caesar of Arles, France (6th cent), Father of the Church, according to Jurgen's "Faith of the Early Fathers".  Presided over the 2nd Council of Orange in 529 AD against Pelagianism.
    "When the entire world, and in a special way France - especially the provinces of the north, the east, and above all that of Lorraine and Champagne - shall have been laid waste by the greatest miseries and trials, then the provinces shall be comforted by a prince who had been exiled in his youth, and who shall recover the crown of the lilies.  This prince shall extend his dominion over the total universe. 

    At the same time, by the will of God, a most holy man shall receive the Papacy, who will be most perfect in every spiritual perfection.  This Pope will have with him the great Monarch, the most virtuous man, who shall be an eminent leader of the holy line of French Kings.  This great Monarch shall assist the Pope in the reformation of the whole earth.  Many nations and their princes that are living in error and impiety shall be converted and an admirable peace shall reign among men during many years, because the wrath of God shall be appeased through their repentence, penance and good works.  There will be one common law, only one faith, one baptism, one religion.

    All nations shall recognize the Holy See of Rome, and shall pay homage to the Pope.  But after an extended period of time, fervor will cool, inquity will abound and moral corruption shall become worse than ever before, which shall bring upon mankind the last and worst persecution of anti-christ and the end of the world."

    St. Caesar is known to have written a commentary/interpretation of the Apocalypse. But this does sound like a prophecy. And it would be good see the source. But it sounds like the standard French line prophecies, which, by the way, contradict the German/Holy Roman Emperor line prophecies. But as I've said, I believe that the Holy Pope/Great Monarch prophecies are true but are allegories that should not be interpreted literally.


    St Catald(us)  (7th cent)
    "The Great King will wage war till he is 40 years of age.  He will assemble great armies and hurl back the tyrants out of his empire."

    Sounds like a prophecy. But doesn't say much. He's not a Father of the Church.


    Rabanus Maurus  (9th cent), the most thorough chronicler of both prophecy and Oral Tradition in Western Europe.  He was abbot of the famous Benedictine Monastery in Fulda.  According to the Catholic Encyclopedia, "His fame as a teacher spread all over Europe.  He was the most learned man of his age.  In scripture and patristic knowledge, he had no equal and was thoroughly conversant in canon law and liturgy."

    "Our principle Doctors [teachers of the Faith] agree in telling us, that towards the end of time one of the descendents of the kings of France shall reign over all the Roman Empire; and that he shall be the greatest of the French Monarchs and the last of his race.  After having governed well his kingdom, he shall go to Jerusalem and lay down his scepter and crown at Mt Olivet.  This shall be the conclusion of the Roman and Christian Empire."

    I'd like to see the original of this. He is reporting something "certain doctors" said. It is not his own prophecy. I read this to refer to "Pope Francis" as the last antipope of the Roman Catholic Church. 


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    St Anslem  (11th cent), Doctor of the Church 
    "Certain Doctors [esteemed teachers of the Faith] truly say, that one of the kings of the Frankish Empire shall possess it in its entirety, which King shall live in the last time and shall be the greatest and last of kings.  Who after he shall have happily governed his Kingdom, shall come to Jerusalem and lay down his scepter and crown on Mt Olivet.  He shall be the last and consummate Emperor of the Roman and Christian Empire.

    And immediately thereupon [after he lays down his scepter/crown], according to the sentence of Paul, they [esteemed teachers of the Faith] say antichrist will come."

    St. Anselm is just reporting the same thing that Rabanus reported above.


    St Hildegard (12th cent)
    ...There are so many prophecies from St Hildegard that you can look them up yourself.

    I know St. Hildegard's prophecies well. I am not aware that she says anything like what you claim. Please show me one example, with footnote so I can look it up.

    ----------

    None of the rest are Fathers of the Church. Their comments are most likely derived from earlier commentaries. But if you could find the source, we could look more closely at the translations.


    St Thomas a'Becket (12th cent)
    "A knight shall come from the West.  He shall capture Milan, Lombardy and the three Crowns [Italy].  He shall then sail to Cyprus and Famagoste and land at Jaffa [the oldest part of Tel Aviv, Israel], and reach Christ's grave, where he will fight.  Wars and wonders shall befall until the people believe in Christ toward the end of the world."

    ?????? You've got to be kidding me.


    William D'Otrante (13th cent), an abbot of a monastery in Southern Italy
    "The Great Monarch and the great pope will preceed anti-christ.  The nations will be at war for 4 years and a great part of the world will be destroyed.  The pope will go over the sea carrying the sign of Redemption on his forehead.  The Great Monarch will come to restore peace and the Pope will share the victory.  Peace will reign on earth."

    He does precede the "revelation" of Antichrist. He will be a person who held the papal office previously. His given name is Joseph.

    ---

    John of Vatiguerro (13th cent)
    "Spoilation, pillaging and devastation of that most famous city which is the capital and mistress of France [Paris] will take place when the Church and the world are grievously troubled.  The Pope will change his residence and the Church will not be defended for 25 months or more, because during all that time, there will be no Pope in Rome, no emperor and no ruler in France.  But, after this, a young captive Prince shall recover the Crown of the Lilies and shall extend his dominion all over the world."

    Paris and France here are allegorical symbols referring to the false church of "Pope Francis" and Paris is a reference to his capital, Rome. Rome will lose the Faith and become the Seat of the Antichrist [Francis]. The true Pope will change is residence probably means that he dies and goes to heaven before his return. Remember, Holzhauser's interpretation of Apocalypse 10.

    ---

    St Vicent Ferrer (14th cent), known as the "Angel of Judgement" spoken of in the Apocalypse.
    "Armies from the East, West and North will fight together in Italy and the Eagle [Great Monarch] shall capture the false king, and all things shall be made obedient unto him, and there shall be a new reformation in the world.

    This is probably just commentary on the Apocalypse and other Biblical prophecies that discuss the Aquila, in Latin translated as "eagle" or "north" in the Bible.



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    Re: Period of peace (question for angelus)
    « Reply #34 on: March 18, 2025, 07:01:56 PM »
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  • These are NOT prophecies. They are theological commentaries/interpretations of the Apocalypse, Daniel, and 2 Thessalonians 2. Perfectly fine for what they are. But don't mix up "private revelation" (prophecy) with theological commentary.


    Concerning the Fall of the Roman Empire and the rise of the anti-christ...


    St Cyril of Jerusalem (4th cent):  Speaking of the fall of the Roman Empire and the rise of the anti-christ
    "Since the true Christ is to come a second time, the adversary makes use of the expectation of the simple, and especially of those of the circuмcision [the joos]; and he brings in a certain man who is a magician, and who is quite expert in sorceries and enchantments of beguiling craftiness.  This one shall seize the power of the Roman Empire, and shall falsely style himself Christ.  By the name of Christ he shall deceive the joos, who are expecting the Annointed and he shall seduce the gentiles by his magical illusions.

    This aforementioned anti-christ is to come when the times of the Roman Empire have been fulfilled and the end of the world is drawing near.  There shall rise up together ten kings of the Romans, reigning in different parts, perhaps, but all reigning at the same time.  After these there shall be an eleventh, the anti-christ, who by the evil power of magic [false miracles] shall seize upon the Roman Power.  Of the kings who reigned before him, 3 shall be humble and the remaining 7 he shall have as subjects under him [see book of Daniel].  He shall desplay against all men and especially against Christians, a spirit that is murderous and most cruel, merciless and wily.  For three years and six months only shall he be the perpetrator of such things.

    Now these things we teach not of our own ingenuity...that this kingdom is that of the Romans has been the tradition of the Church's interpreters..."

    ---

    St John Chrysostom (4th cent): 
    "In the same way as those kingdoms which existed before the Roman Empire were destroyed (the Babylonian by the Persian, the Persian by the Greek, the Greek by the Roman), so will the Roman Empire be destroyed by anti-christ.  This will happen when the Roman Empire shall have been divided into 10 kingdoms [after the Holy Monarch dies]."

    ---


    St Jerome (4th cent)...in his commentary on the Book of Daniel:
    "Therefore, let us state what all the Ecclesiastical writers [omnes scriptores ecclesiastici] have passed down [tradiderunt]: At the consummation of the world, when the Kingdom of the Romans has been destroyed, when ten kings shall have divided the territory of the Romans between themselves, an eleventh shall rise to a small kingdom, who when he shall have overcome three of the ten kings, i.e. the kingdom of the Egyptians, of the Africans and of the Ethiopians and consequently as we learn more manifestly - whom he shall have killed, the other seven kings shall submit their necks to the victor [the eleventh king].

    Who is the eleventh king?  St Jerome explains:

    "Nor do we think him to be the Devil or a demon, as some others do, but one of mankind in whom satan shall dwell totally...his mouth uttering great boasts, for he is the man of sin, the son of perdition, such that he will seat himself in the Temple as if he were God.  [Here Jerome is directly quoting from St Paul's description of the anti-christ in 2nd Thessalonians, 2:15]



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    Re: Period of peace (question for angelus)
    « Reply #35 on: March 18, 2025, 07:07:50 PM »
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  • Charlemagne fulfilled France prophecies


    A.H fulfilled GCM prochecies (though universal Catholic order was conditional on a consecration to the immaculate heart hence why A.H lost


    Angelic pontiff was Giuseppe (Joseph) Pacelli  

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    Re: Period of peace (question for angelus)
    « Reply #36 on: March 18, 2025, 07:33:18 PM »
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  • All of this happened, on a smaller scale, during the Middle Ages, when Europe was 100% catholic.

    The main difference between the near future and the Middle Ages, is that Asia/Middle East will finally convert.  The Americas (north and south) have been converted for centuries.  Our Lady has told us that Russia/Orthodox will reconvert.  All that's left is Asia/Middle East to come to the Faith.  Why is this some type of "conspiracy"?  :laugh1:
    :facepalm:  It's not a deception when (many if not all) the Church Fathers say that the whole world will be catholic (and there will be a 3rd Holy Roman Empire) before the arrival of antichrist.

    That is what St Paul meant by "the great falling away".  The whole world is (generally, societally) catholic and then it falls to antichrist.  St Paul's warning can't apply to today because over 50% of the world isn't even catholic anymore.  What kind of "falling away" is that?  St Paul's warning is of a monumental number of people are deceived by antichrist.  If less that 50% of world isn't even catholic, what are they "falling away" from?  Answer:  They've already fallen away before antichrist even arrived.  This makes no sense.

    You act like this is some new thing.  It's not. 

    Go read the Church Fathers and get some positivity in your life.  You're much too doom-n-gloom.  You act as if God is a sadist who only gives the Church persecutions and suffering.

    No Pax. Europe was not 100% Catholic. Just like today there are not actually 1.4 Billion real Catholics. Most of them are what Augustine calls "false brethren." There was great social pressure in the 13th Century to appear Catholic.

    I agree there will be a lot of (mostly transient) conversions immediately following the Warning/Illumination. But most of them will not persevere. The NWO machine will ramp back up with a vengeance very quickly.

    Again, you have not provided evidence that "the whole world will be Catholic" from the quotes you provided. The quotes that refer to this mass conversion that take place after the Warning/Illumination, which comes from "angels" acccording to Apocalypse 14. Yes, the conversions will happen. But most are temporary. After this the Battle of Armageddon will begin very quickly. The BofA is just another description of the period of the Two Witnesses. The faithful will "fight" the apostates, meaning the faithful will try to win as many souls still on the fence while there is still time. The battle is a spiritual one, but it will have physical consequences as well.

    The apostasy is the institutional Church being hijacked by freemasons, homos, and communists. They slowly create a counterfeit church which "the worldlings" believe is the real Church. It is the woke church of Synodality. And its "pope" is the Antichrist Bergoglio, who will be revealed as such very soon.

    Yes, I need to "get some positivity." Too much "doom-n-gloom." 

    Now you go read this. And don't forget to Watch and Pray:

    DIES irae, dies illa,
    solvet saeculum in favilla,
    teste David cuм Sibylla.
    THAT day of wrath, that dreadful day,
    shall heaven and earth in ashes lay,
    as David and the Sybil say.
    Quantus tremor est futurus,
    quando iudex est venturus,
    cuncta stricte discussurus!
    What horror must invade the mind
    when the approaching Judge shall find
    and sift the deeds of all mankind!
    Tuba mirum spargens sonum
    per sepulcra regionum,
    coget omnes ante thronum.
    The mighty trumpet's wondrous tone
    shall rend each tomb's sepulchral stone
    and summon all before the Throne.
    Mors stupebit et natura,
    cuм resurget creatura,
    iudicanti responsura.
    Now death and nature with surprise
    behold the trembling sinners rise
    to meet the Judge's searching eyes.
    Liber scriptus proferetur,
    in quo totum continetur,
    unde mundus iudicetur.
    Then shall with universal dread
    the Book of Consciences be read
    to judge the lives of all the dead.
    Iudex ergo cuм sedebit,
    quidquid latet apparebit:
    nil inultum remanebit.
    For now before the Judge severe
    all hidden things must plain appear;
    no crime can pass unpunished here.
    Quid sum miser tunc dicturus?
    quem patronum rogaturus?
    cuм vix iustus sit securus.
    O what shall I, so guilty plead?
    and who for me will intercede?
    when even Saints shall comfort need?
    Rex tremendae maiestatis,
    qui salvandos salvas gratis,
    salva me, fons pietatis.
    O King of dreadful majesty!
    grace and mercy You grant free;
    as Fount of Kindness, save me!
    Recordare Iesu pie,
    quod sum causa tuae viae:
    ne me perdas illa die.
    Recall, dear Jesus, for my sake
    you did our suffering nature take
    then do not now my soul forsake!
    Quaerens me, sedisti lassus:
    redemisti crucem passus:
    tantus labor non sit cassus.
    In weariness You sought for me,
    and suffering upon the tree!
    let not in vain such labor be.
    Iuste iudex ultionis,
    donum fac remissionis,
    ante diem rationis.
    O Judge of justice, hear, I pray,
    for pity take my sins away
    before the dreadful reckoning day.
    Ingemisco, tamquam reus:
    culpa rubet vultus meus:
    supplicanti parce Deus.
    Your gracious face, O Lord, I seek;
    deep shame and grief are on my cheek;
    in sighs and tears my sorrows speak.
    Qui Mariam absolvisti,
    et latronem exaudisti,
    mihi quoque spem dedisti.
    You Who did Mary's guilt unbind,
    and mercy for the robber find,
    have filled with hope my anxious mind.
    Preces meae non sunt dignae:
    sed tu bonus fac benigne,
    ne perenni cremer igne.
    How worthless are my prayers I know,
    yet, Lord forbid that I should go
    into the fires of endless woe.
    Inter oves locuм praesta,
    et ab haedis me sequestra,
    statuens in parte dextera.
    Divorced from the accursed band,
    o make me with Your sheep to stand,
    as child of grace, at Your right Hand.
    Confutatis maledictis,
    flammis acribus addictis.
    voca me cuм benedictis.
    When the doomed can no more flee
    from the fires of misery
    with the chosen call me.
    Oro supplex et acclinis,
    cor contritum quasi cinis:
    gere curam mei finis.
    Before You, humbled, Lord, I lie,
    my heart like ashes, crushed and dry,
    assist me when I die.
    Lacrimosa dies illa,
    qua resurget ex favilla.
    iudicandus homo reus:
    huic ergo parce Deus.
    Full of tears and full of dread
    is that day that wakes the dead,
    calling all, with solemn blast
    to be judged for all their past.
    Pie Iesu Domine,
    dona eis requiem. Amen.
    Lord, have mercy, Jesus blest,
    grant them all Your Light and Rest. Amen.





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    Re: Period of peace (question for angelus)
    « Reply #37 on: March 18, 2025, 08:24:33 PM »
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  • No Pax. Europe was not 100% Catholic. Just like today there are not actually 1.4 Billion real Catholics. Most of them are what Augustine calls "false brethren." There was great social pressure in the 13th Century to appear Catholic.

    I agree there will be a lot of (mostly transient) conversions immediately following the Warning/Illumination. But most of them will not persevere. The NWO machine will ramp back up with a vengeance very quickly.

    Again, you have not provided evidence that "the whole world will be Catholic" from the quotes you provided. The quotes that refer to this mass conversion that take place after the Warning/Illumination, which comes from "angels" acccording to Apocalypse 14. Yes, the conversions will happen. But most are temporary. After this the Battle of Armageddon will begin very quickly. The BofA is just another description of the period of the Two Witnesses. The faithful will "fight" the apostates, meaning the faithful will try to win as many souls still on the fence while there is still time. The battle is a spiritual one, but it will have physical consequences as well.

    The apostasy is the institutional Church being hijacked by freemasons, homos, and communists. They slowly create a counterfeit church which "the worldlings" believe is the real Church. It is the woke church of Synodality. And its "pope" is the Antichrist Bergoglio, who will be revealed as such very soon.

    Yes, I need to "get some positivity." Too much "doom-n-gloom."

    Now you go read this. And don't forget to Watch and Pray:

    DIES irae, dies illa,
    solvet saeculum in favilla,
    teste David cuм Sibylla.
    THAT day of wrath, that dreadful day,
    shall heaven and earth in ashes lay,
    as David and the Sybil say.
    Quantus tremor est futurus,
    quando iudex est venturus,
    cuncta stricte discussurus!
    What horror must invade the mind
    when the approaching Judge shall find
    and sift the deeds of all mankind!
    Tuba mirum spargens sonum
    per sepulcra regionum,
    coget omnes ante thronum.
    The mighty trumpet's wondrous tone
    shall rend each tomb's sepulchral stone
    and summon all before the Throne.
    Mors stupebit et natura,
    cuм resurget creatura,
    iudicanti responsura.
    Now death and nature with surprise
    behold the trembling sinners rise
    to meet the Judge's searching eyes.
    Liber scriptus proferetur,
    in quo totum continetur,
    unde mundus iudicetur.
    Then shall with universal dread
    the Book of Consciences be read
    to judge the lives of all the dead.
    Iudex ergo cuм sedebit,
    quidquid latet apparebit:
    nil inultum remanebit.
    For now before the Judge severe
    all hidden things must plain appear;
    no crime can pass unpunished here.
    Quid sum miser tunc dicturus?
    quem patronum rogaturus?
    cuм vix iustus sit securus.
    O what shall I, so guilty plead?
    and who for me will intercede?
    when even Saints shall comfort need?
    Rex tremendae maiestatis,
    qui salvandos salvas gratis,
    salva me, fons pietatis.
    O King of dreadful majesty!
    grace and mercy You grant free;
    as Fount of Kindness, save me!
    Recordare Iesu pie,
    quod sum causa tuae viae:
    ne me perdas illa die.
    Recall, dear Jesus, for my sake
    you did our suffering nature take
    then do not now my soul forsake!
    Quaerens me, sedisti lassus:
    redemisti crucem passus:
    tantus labor non sit cassus.
    In weariness You sought for me,
    and suffering upon the tree!
    let not in vain such labor be.
    Iuste iudex ultionis,
    donum fac remissionis,
    ante diem rationis.
    O Judge of justice, hear, I pray,
    for pity take my sins away
    before the dreadful reckoning day.
    Ingemisco, tamquam reus:
    culpa rubet vultus meus:
    supplicanti parce Deus.
    Your gracious face, O Lord, I seek;
    deep shame and grief are on my cheek;
    in sighs and tears my sorrows speak.
    Qui Mariam absolvisti,
    et latronem exaudisti,
    mihi quoque spem dedisti.
    You Who did Mary's guilt unbind,
    and mercy for the robber find,
    have filled with hope my anxious mind.
    Preces meae non sunt dignae:
    sed tu bonus fac benigne,
    ne perenni cremer igne.
    How worthless are my prayers I know,
    yet, Lord forbid that I should go
    into the fires of endless woe.
    Inter oves locuм praesta,
    et ab haedis me sequestra,
    statuens in parte dextera.
    Divorced from the accursed band,
    o make me with Your sheep to stand,
    as child of grace, at Your right Hand.
    Confutatis maledictis,
    flammis acribus addictis.
    voca me cuм benedictis.
    When the doomed can no more flee
    from the fires of misery
    with the chosen call me.
    Oro supplex et acclinis,
    cor contritum quasi cinis:
    gere curam mei finis.
    Before You, humbled, Lord, I lie,
    my heart like ashes, crushed and dry,
    assist me when I die.
    Lacrimosa dies illa,
    qua resurget ex favilla.
    iudicandus homo reus:
    huic ergo parce Deus.
    Full of tears and full of dread
    is that day that wakes the dead,
    calling all, with solemn blast
    to be judged for all their past.
    Pie Iesu Domine,
    dona eis requiem. Amen.
    Lord, have mercy, Jesus blest,
    grant them all Your Light and Rest. Amen.


    The Dimonds just dropped a video on end times prophecies

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=5YAxiknKmK8

    I haven't watched it yet but I thought it might be relevant to your discussion.


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    Re: Period of peace (question for angelus)
    « Reply #38 on: March 18, 2025, 08:47:10 PM »
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    No Pax. Europe was not 100% Catholic. Just like today there are not actually 1.4 Billion real Catholics. Most of them are what Augustine calls "false brethren." There was great social pressure in the 13th Century to appear Catholic.
    You are way too literal.  You miss the forest for the trees.  In the 1200s, Europe was 100% catholic GENERALLY SPEAKING.  :facepalm:  Every european GOVERNMENT was catholic.  Protestantism didn't even exist yet.

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    Again, you have not provided evidence that "the whole world will be Catholic" from the quotes you provided. The quotes that refer to this mass conversion that take place after the Warning/Illumination, which comes from "angels" acccording to Apocalypse 14. Yes, the conversions will happen. But most are temporary. After this the Battle of Armageddon will begin very quickly. The BofA is just another description of the period of the Two Witnesses. The faithful will "fight" the apostates, meaning the faithful will try to win as many souls still on the fence while there is still time. The battle is a spiritual one, but it will have physical consequences as well.
    The battle of Armageddon is spiritual and not a real battle???

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    The apostasy is the institutional Church being hijacked by freemasons, homos, and communists. They slowly create a counterfeit church which "the worldlings" believe is the real Church. It is the woke church of Synodality. And its "pope" is the Antichrist Bergoglio, who will be revealed as such very soon.
    I'm done.  This is nutty.

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    Re: Period of peace (question for angelus)
    « Reply #39 on: March 18, 2025, 08:49:20 PM »
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    The Dimonds just dropped a video on end times prophecies
    :laugh2:  The Dimonds still think JP2 is the antichrist.  (On this topic) they are nutters too. :laugh1:

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    Re: Period of peace (question for angelus)
    « Reply #40 on: March 18, 2025, 09:05:20 PM »
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  • The Dimonds just dropped a video on end times prophecies

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=5YAxiknKmK8

    I haven't watched it yet but I thought it might be relevant to your discussion.

    Everything in the video is correct, EXCEPT the part about JPII. This can be proven from Dimond's own statement.

    He, correctly, quotes the Apocalypse as saying that the Beast will arise under the 6th "king" of the Vatican City-State (founded in 1929). JPII is the 6th king, no doubt.

    But the Apocalypse says there are 7 Kings and 10 Horns. The Antichrist is the "Little Horn," a Cardinal, not a true King, who arises out of the midst of the 10 horns (ten Cardinals). This sequence is clear in Daniel, chapter 7. The Apocalypse incorporates the symbolism of Daniel when describing the Beast.

    Further, and the nail in the coffin, Apocalypse 17:11 describes the Antichrist this way: "the beast which was, and is not: the same also is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into destruction."

    So, if JPII is the 6th (which he is), then who is the 8th? Bergoglio. When did Bergoglio arise, meaning when was he made a Bishop and Cardinal? Under the reign of the 6th King (JPII). Big surprise, huh. Woulda never thought it.


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    Re: Period of peace (question for angelus)
    « Reply #41 on: March 18, 2025, 10:02:41 PM »
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    These are NOT prophecies. They are theological commentaries/interpretations of the Apocalypse, Daniel, and 2 Thessalonians 2. Perfectly fine for what they are. But don't mix up "private revelation" (prophecy) with theological commentary.
    :facepalm:  A commentary on the Apocalypse (ie Future events) = a prophecy.  


    :laugh2:  I can’t believe you ignore commentaries from the saints, as if they are meaningless.  What else is a “prophecy” but a prediction/commentary on future events?

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    Re: Period of peace (question for angelus)
    « Reply #42 on: March 19, 2025, 12:26:28 AM »
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  • :laugh2:  The Dimonds still think JP2 is the antichrist.  (On this topic) they are nutters too. :laugh1:
    I don't agree with them on that particular matter but I do like the other quotes given in the video, I had not seen them before.

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    Re: Period of peace (question for angelus)
    « Reply #43 on: March 19, 2025, 06:54:11 AM »
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  • I will go through each one of these. My comments in red:


    Quotes from Saints, speaking of the a coming Great and Holy King and His Holy Roman Empire



    St Methodius (4th cent)
    "A day will come when the enemies of Christ [freemasons] will boast of having conquered the whole world.  They will say, "Christians cannot escape now!"  But a great King will arise to fight the enemies of God.  He will defeat them, and peace will be given to the world, and the Church will be freed from Her anxieties."

    True. Consistent with the Apocalypse 17:14. Apocalypse 19:5-21. Apocalypse 10:1-6 (according to Holzhauser). Note that there is nothing here about a geo-political peace that lasts 50-100 years. This "peace" is what I called the "respite." Very short, like days or weeks...definitely not more than a few months for the perspective of human time.
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    St Remigius (5th cent), Bishop of France who baptized King Clovis and 3,000 followers into the Faith in 496 AD.
    "Take notice that the Kingdom of France is predestined by God for the defense of the Roman Church which is the only true Church of Christ.  This kingdom shall someday be great among the kingdoms of the earth, and shall embrace all the limits of the Roman Empire, and shall submit all other kingdoms to its own scepter."

    [France has never held this much territory under its power.  It has never embraced all the limits of the Roman Empire.  If this prophecy is true, it is yet to come.]

    I'm not sure this is even an apocalyptic prophecy. It sounds more like a pious nationalistic statement from a Bishop of France. I would need more context to know if it fits in with the Holy Pope/Great Monarch prophecies. It doesn't sound like it. And anyway, at that time the "Franks" held a very small area. You can look up the image by Google. The Kingdom of France expanded far beyond those humble beginnings.


    St Epheaem (5th cent):
    "Then the Lord from his glorious heaven shall set up His peace.  And the kingdom of the Romans [Roman Empire] shall rise in place of this latter people, and establish its dominion upon the earth, even to its ends, and there shall be no one who will resist it.

    After iniquity shall have multiplied, and all creatures have become defiled, then Divine Justice shall appear, and shall wholly destroy the people, and coming forth from perdition, the man of iniquity [anti-christ] shall be revealed upon the earth, the Seducer of men, and the distruber of the whole earth."

    This is a commentary/interpretation of the Apocalypse, not a prophecy. It is from an author known as Pseudo-Ephraem. You can read about it here: (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apocalypse_of_Pseudo-Ephraem). St. Ephraem the Syrian, Doctor of the Church, lived a hundred of years before. He died in 373AD. So, the Saint died in the 4th Century, and therefore could not have produced a docuмent from the 5th Century. Pseudo-Ephraem is from the 5th Century.



    St Caesar of Arles, France (6th cent), Father of the Church, according to Jurgen's "Faith of the Early Fathers".  Presided over the 2nd Council of Orange in 529 AD against Pelagianism.
    "When the entire world, and in a special way France - especially the provinces of the north, the east, and above all that of Lorraine and Champagne - shall have been laid waste by the greatest miseries and trials, then the provinces shall be comforted by a prince who had been exiled in his youth, and who shall recover the crown of the lilies.  This prince shall extend his dominion over the total universe.

    At the same time, by the will of God, a most holy man shall receive the Papacy, who will be most perfect in every spiritual perfection.  This Pope will have with him the great Monarch, the most virtuous man, who shall be an eminent leader of the holy line of French Kings.  This great Monarch shall assist the Pope in the reformation of the whole earth.  Many nations and their princes that are living in error and impiety shall be converted and an admirable peace shall reign among men during many years, because the wrath of God shall be appeased through their repentence, penance and good works.  There will be one common law, only one faith, one baptism, one religion.

    All nations shall recognize the Holy See of Rome, and shall pay homage to the Pope.  But after an extended period of time, fervor will cool, inquity will abound and moral corruption shall become worse than ever before, which shall bring upon mankind the last and worst persecution of anti-christ and the end of the world."

    St. Caesar is known to have written a commentary/interpretation of the Apocalypse. But this does sound like a prophecy. And it would be good see the source. But it sounds like the standard French line prophecies, which, by the way, contradict the German/Holy Roman Emperor line prophecies. But as I've said, I believe that the Holy Pope/Great Monarch prophecies are true but are allegories that should not be interpreted literally.


    St Catald(us)  (7th cent):
    "The Great King will wage war till he is 40 years of age.  He will assemble great armies and hurl back the tyrants out of his empire."

    Sounds like a prophecy. But doesn't say much. He's not a Father of the Church.


    Rabanus Maurus  (9th cent), the most thorough chronicler of both prophecy and Oral Tradition in Western Europe.  He was abbot of the famous Benedictine Monastery in Fulda.  According to the Catholic Encyclopedia, "His fame as a teacher spread all over Europe.  He was the most learned man of his age.  In scripture and patristic knowledge, he had no equal and was thoroughly conversant in canon law and liturgy."

    "Our principle Doctors [teachers of the Faith] agree in telling us, that towards the end of time one of the descendents of the kings of France shall reign over all the Roman Empire; and that he shall be the greatest of the French Monarchs and the last of his race.  After having governed well his kingdom, he shall go to Jerusalem and lay down his scepter and crown at Mt Olivet.  This shall be the conclusion of the Roman and Christian Empire."

    I'd like to see the original of this. He is reporting something "certain doctors" said. It is not his own prophecy. I read this to refer to "Pope Francis" as the last antipope of the Roman Catholic Church.


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    St Anslem  (11th cent), Doctor of the Church
    "Certain Doctors [esteemed teachers of the Faith] truly say, that one of the kings of the Frankish Empire shall possess it in its entirety, which King shall live in the last time and shall be the greatest and last of kings.  Who after he shall have happily governed his Kingdom, shall come to Jerusalem and lay down his scepter and crown on Mt Olivet.  He shall be the last and consummate Emperor of the Roman and Christian Empire.

    And immediately thereupon [after he lays down his scepter/crown], according to the sentence of Paul, they [esteemed teachers of the Faith] say antichrist will come."

    St. Anselm is just reporting the same thing that Rabanus reported above.


    St Hildegard (12th cent)
    ...There are so many prophecies from St Hildegard that you can look them up yourself.

    I know St. Hildegard's prophecies well. I am not aware that she says anything like what you claim. Please show me one example, with footnote so I can look it up.

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    None of the rest are Fathers of the Church. Their comments are most likely derived from earlier commentaries. But if you could find the source, we could look more closely at the translations.


    St Thomas a'Becket (12th cent)
    "A knight shall come from the West.  He shall capture Milan, Lombardy and the three Crowns [Italy].  He shall then sail to Cyprus and Famagoste and land at Jaffa [the oldest part of Tel Aviv, Israel], and reach Christ's grave, where he will fight.  Wars and wonders shall befall until the people believe in Christ toward the end of the world."

    ?????? You've got to be kidding me.


    William D'Otrante (13th cent), an abbot of a monastery in Southern Italy
    "The Great Monarch and the great pope will preceed anti-christ.  The nations will be at war for 4 years and a great part of the world will be destroyed.  The pope will go over the sea carrying the sign of Redemption on his forehead.  The Great Monarch will come to restore peace and the Pope will share the victory.  Peace will reign on earth."

    He does precede the "revelation" of Antichrist. He will be a person who held the papal office previously. His given name is Joseph.

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    John of Vatiguerro (13th cent)
    "Spoilation, pillaging and devastation of that most famous city which is the capital and mistress of France [Paris] will take place when the Church and the world are grievously troubled.  The Pope will change his residence and the Church will not be defended for 25 months or more, because during all that time, there will be no Pope in Rome, no emperor and no ruler in France.  But, after this, a young captive Prince shall recover the Crown of the Lilies and shall extend his dominion all over the world."

    Paris and France here are allegorical symbols referring to the false church of "Pope Francis" and Paris is a reference to his capital, Rome. Rome will lose the Faith and become the Seat of the Antichrist [Francis]. The true Pope will change is residence probably means that he dies and goes to heaven before his return. Remember, Holzhauser's interpretation of Apocalypse 10.

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    St Vicent Ferrer (14th cent), known as the "Angel of Judgement" spoken of in the Apocalypse.
    "Armies from the East, West and North will fight together in Italy and the Eagle [Great Monarch] shall capture the false king, and all things shall be made obedient unto him, and there shall be a new reformation in the world.

    This is probably just commentary on the Apocalypse and other Biblical prophecies that discuss the Aquila, in Latin translated as "eagle" or "north" in the Bible.

    The first thing you will not about that list is that their are no sources cited for the quotes. That alone is cause for concern. And then, when they've been vetted and closely scrutinized, they lend little support to Pax's "period of peace." You've done a decent job pointing that out. He'll grab for anything that scratches his tickling ears and remotely comes close to support him, even if you have to leap over caverns to get there.

    There was a decent thread where the views of Fr. Kramer and Berry were discussed. They had the "Millennium" of a 1,000 years of peace noted in Rev. 20 coming after the Antichrist an absolutely ridiculous conclusion, totally contrary to Scripture, which has this antichrist figure being destroyed by Our Lord's Second Coming, signaling the end of this age/world as we know it. 

    Here's that thread for those interested in this "period of peace," "Great Monarch" nonsense:

    https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/question-re-kramer's-book-of-destiny/

    Again, it's ironic that Pax puts such store in such stuff when he blows off the quotes of St. Augustine and St. Thomas, pinpointed citations to them, direct quotes from the Haydock Bible, in another thread on Predestination and election, and avoids them to promote his contrary thoughts about grace, free will, etc., which, since they sound good to him, he'll never abandon, no matter what you show him.  

    He has no trouble blowing them off, but when you oppose his ridiculous "period of peace" and his mostly if not all unsourced hodgepodge list here (which, again, don't support his position like St. Augustine, St. Thomas, Haydock etc. - in unquestionable sourced quotations - support a traditional, orthodox Catholic view of Predestination, which offends modern man's sense of libertarian free will, which has corrupted sound doctrine in the Church. 

    Of course Pax accuses me - and by extension them - of denying "free will," and ascribing in essence the motivation and cause for man's sin and destiny in hell to God. But note I said "modern man's libertarian sense," since indeed the will is "free" in Thomistic terms, as the great saint and doctors throughout the ages have understood it. Man acts voluntarily according to his imperfect, fallen nature. God does not compel him to lust or sin, which comes naturally to man. 

    James 1

     13 Let no man, when he is tempted, say that he is tempted by God. For God is not a tempter of evils, and he tempteth no man 14 But every man is tempted by his own concupiscence, being drawn away and allured.  15 Then when concupiscence hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin. But sin, when it is completed, begetteth death.

     
    Rom. 3:25 Whom God hath proposed to be a propitiation, through faith in his blood, to the shewing of his justice, for the remission of former sins" 

    Apoc 17:17 For God hath given into their hearts to do that which pleaseth him: that they give their kingdom to the beast, till the words of God be fulfilled.

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    Re: Period of peace on earth for the Church "Prophecies"
    « Reply #44 on: March 19, 2025, 07:36:56 AM »
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  • 2 Timothy 4

    For there shall be a time, when they will not endure sound doctrine; but, according to their own desires, they will heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears:

    And will indeed turn away their hearing from the truth, but will be turned unto fables.
    Rom. 3:25 Whom God hath proposed to be a propitiation, through faith in his blood, to the shewing of his justice, for the remission of former sins" 

    Apoc 17:17 For God hath given into their hearts to do that which pleaseth him: that they give their kingdom to the beast, till the words of God be fulfilled.