Yes. Their is both a now, and not yet, to the kingdom of God. It is now, within us, via grace, and will finally come when the "last enemy," physical death, is conquered with Christ's return:


Christ reigns now, and has reigned spiritually via grace in His people since His Resurrection (the inner, spiritual peace - see Luke 18 above), and He will subject all of creation, all the politics and strife of this world and its kingdoms, to a material peace only upon His Second Coming.

The Church has been spreading Our Lord's spiritual peace, dispensing grace, over all the earth since the Apostles set out with the divine commission laid upon them, converting souls (which is what this all about, souls). It has done its work, which I say is rather completed, as all the world has heard the Gospel.

A Catholic Monarch? All nations Catholic and a temporal, worldly "peace and prosperity"? Nonsense, spreading like wild fire for the last hundred, hundred and fifty years in the Church, especially among Trads, who hold to old liturgical forms and most Catholic dogmas but fall subject to these wild, "Jєωιѕн fables" of an earthly kingdom in a material sense.

Here's Cardinal Manning, when, after some 250 or so years of the Protestant revolt, things were bad, but he notes they will get worse until Christ's Return in victory, which He will establish personally with that Return:


As Our Lord said:


There's a pattern here, sowed by the "enemy," kin in its DNA to, "thou shalt not die." Only now it's a dream of a material peace on earth, a grand Catholic political/religious kumbaya paradise, a new Eden for "1,000 years."

I'll oppose it and promote a real Traditional and Biblical sense that once prevailed among traditional Catholics in the Church holding to the faith of the fathers, not the "Jєωιѕн [though now professed by many Catholics] fables" of the last two hundred or so years.

DR

Angelus, you’re over complicating it.  The “period of peace” spoken of so often in prophecies means peace for the Church (ie a temporary freedom from heresy, from persecution, from major doctrinal disputes, from war, etc).  A temporary peace ON EARTH to worship God.  A peace so the Church can re-group, call a council, grow, catechize, etc. 

Much like the peaceful time of Constantine, which took place after the first 3 centuries of persecutions.  It wasn’t the “garden of Eden”, but it was a peaceful time for the Church to grow, to organize the Biblical canon, to update liturgical rules, etc. 

If such details existed, we wouldn't be having this debate.    The prophecies outline a framework of what will happen.  Common sense (and Church history's prior examples) fill in the gaps.
Compared to 300 years of being hunted down by Roman officials, treated like 4th world citizens, being fed to lions, and killed in various torturous ways, yes...the times of Constantine were quite peaceful.
I agree.  I don't know where you heard that this "certain period of peace" which Our Lady of Fatima mentions is supposed to be some utopian dreamland where every person is a walking saint, where it never gets cold and puppies don't die. 

The prophecies say the following, none of which is outlandish, or beyond reality, but is quite consistent with a restoration of the Church hierarchy and normal, human ways of restoring societal and ecclesiastical order.

1.  When Russia is consecrated by a true pope, then Russia will convert and start defending the Church.
a.  Many prophecies say this will happen during the midst of a war, which means that Russia will then start attacking the bad guys.
b.  The war will be won by Christians and, due to the miraculous nature of this victory (similar to the miraculous victory of Constantine), the whole world will know that Our Lady is the cause, as God wills to honor Her and to have non-catholics recognize that She is the reason for the end of the war.

2.  This dramatic end of the war and the dramatic conversion of Russia will cause countless non-catholics to convert to the Faith.  (Much like the miracle at Guadalupe converted 15 million souls).

3.  The end of the war, which was fought by the Great Monarch-in-waiting, will coincide with the global disillusionment with the democratic form of govt (which is, on the whole, only a 200 year experiment) and a return to a Monarchical govt, worldwide. 
a.  The democratic/republican/rule-of-the-people govt will be seen as the vehicle for the war, as it enabled the elites to corrupt the system and take control.
b.  No form of govt is perfect, but as history shows, when a govt fails, the people often demand the opposite.  So, naturally, and also consistent with Church history, a return to a monarchy will coincide with a return to Church rule.

4.  What follows during this "period of peace" is nothing more than a total, societal revamp/rebuild.
a.  A rebuilding of Church order, structure, clergy, schools, churches, etc.
b.  A Church council is called to denounce the errors of V2, protestantism, socialism, materialism, etc
c.  The Church grows due to the influx of converts.  There is a renaissance of energy, piety and devotion.
d.  Religious orders are restored, new ones begin and the religious life is renewed.
e.  Family life is restored, because society is at peace and ordered, through the Church.

5.  The global monarchy, as ruled by a Holy Roman Emperor, who works with the Angelic Pope, works to restore order throughout the world.
a.  Nations which had never been catholic before (i.e. Middle East, Asia) are sent missionaries and churches/schools are built.
b.  The whole world, generally speaking, is catholic.  (Not every single person).
c.  There is order, there is peace, there is the worship of the Faith in all countries.

This lasts for anywhere between 50-100 years.  Much like the "peace" of the 13th century.  There is nothing in the above that is fantastic, other than Our Lady's victory, which will be miraculous.  But the rebuilding of Catholicism and the work that it will take to restore the Church, will be normal, human efforts.  All of which are consistent and predictable according to history, which proves that after a political system (i.e. democracy) fails in utter disaster, that the opposite form of govt (i.e. monarchy) typically takes its place.  This is just human nature.

"The 'angel' is the Great Monarch: 'from heaven' means he will be a catholic: 'clothed in clouds' implies he will be humble and modest; 'rainbow' he will bring peace to the world; 'sunshine' refers to his wisdom, talents and title; 'feet' refers to his power and zeal; 'Open book' he will rule with justice 'Right and left foot' he will exercise power over all the world; 'Lion Voice' he will put fear into the wicked. The 'Golden Crown' refers to his Holy Roman Empire; 'Cutlass' means his victorious army; the other 'angel' refers to the pope (Angelic pastor). 'Other angels' are the other helpers of the Great Monarch who will help him crush the Turks…"

I'm not sure what history books you are reading, but they aren't the same ones I have read.  William Thomas Walsh calls the 13th the "Greatest of Centuries" in his book.  It was not called the "perfect century" or the "century where nothing bad happened".

You have this strange either/or, binary view of the world.  There's always good and bad.  But the times of St Thomas, St Dominic or St Boneventure are INFINITELY more catholic than today.  Are you actually arguing that their times are "as bad" as now?  Seriously?


St Dominic died in 1221, at the beginning of the 13th century.  And did he defeat the Albigensians?  Yes.  Again, a "period of peace" does not mean 0% turmoil.  It means the Church is free to worship.  Free from persecutions; free from wars; free from major heresy.

Yep.  And not because Holzhauser said so, alone.  Because the same prophecies have been said since the times of the Church Fathers, all the way down through the centuries. 


We've had 2 Holy Roman Empires previously.  And there will be a 3rd one, before antichrist comes on the scene.

Literally 100s of prophecies disagree with you.  Go read Dupont's "Catholic Prophecy" book.

4.  What follows during this "period of peace" is nothing more than a total, societal revamp/rebuild.
a.  A rebuilding of Church order, structure, clergy, schools, churches, etc.
b.  A Church council is called to denounce the errors of V2, protestantism, socialism, materialism, etc
c.  The Church grows due to the influx of converts.  There is a renaissance of energy, piety and devotion.
d.  Religious orders are restored, new ones begin and the religious life is renewed.
e.  Family life is restored, because society is at peace and ordered, through the Church.

5.  The global monarchy, as ruled by a Holy Roman Emperor, who works with the Angelic Pope, works to restore order throughout the world.
a.  Nations which had never been catholic before (i.e. Middle East, Asia) are sent missionaries and churches/schools are built.
b.  The whole world, generally speaking, is catholic.  (Not every single person).
c.  There is order, there is peace, there is the worship of the Faith in all countries.

This lasts for anywhere between 50-100 years.  Much like the "peace" of the 13th century.

1 But of the times and moments, brethren, you need not, that we should write to you;  2 For yourselves know perfectly, that the day of the Lord shall so come, as a thief in the night.  3 For when they shall say, peace and security; then shall sudden destruction come upon them, as the pains upon her that is with child, and they shall not escape. 4 But you, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.  5 For all you are the children of light, and children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.

You are twisting my words and you are practicing either-or/binary logic.

If one had to rank the greatest Catholic century, then it would be the 13th.  It was
a.  the greatest period of saints,
b.  the most peaceful time, (fewest wars, fewest heresies, fewest religious squabbles)
c.  the most christ-centered that society has ever been. 

These 3 categories above ALL HAVE TO DO WITH RELIGION and SALVATION.  To equate the above with the "false/political peace hoped for by the Jews" is an idiotic and anti-catholic view.  You are basically arguing that if a catholic desires a "christian culture" (as in the Middle Ages) then he is the same as the Jews.   

What are you smoking?

Book XV 

Chapter 4.—Of the Conflict and Peace of the Earthly City.

But the earthly city, which shall not be everlasting (for it will no longer be a city when it has been committed to the extreme penalty), has its good in this world, and rejoices in it with such joy as such things can afford.  But as this is not a good which can discharge its devotees of all distresses, this city is often divided against itself by litigations, wars, quarrels, and such victories as are either life-destroying or short-lived.  For each part of it that arms against another part of it seeks to triumph over the nations through itself in bondage to vice.  If, when it has conquered, it is inflated with pride, its victory is life-destroying; but if it turns its thoughts upon the common casualties of our mortal condition, and is rather anxious concerning the disasters that may befall it than elated with the successes already achieved, this victory, though of a higher kind, is still only short-lived; for it cannot abidingly rule over those whom it has victoriously subjugated.  But the things which this city desires cannot justly be said to be evil, for it is itself, in its own kind, better than all other human good.  For it desires earthly peace for the sake of enjoying earthly goods, and it makes war in order to attain to this peace; since, if it has conquered, and there remains no one to resist it, it enjoys a peace which it had not while there were opposing parties who contested for the enjoyment of those things which were too small to satisfy both.  This peace is purchased by toilsome wars; it is obtained by what they style a glorious victory.  Now, when victory remains with the party which had the juster cause, who hesitates to congratulate the victor, and style it a desirable peace?  These things, then, are good things, and without doubt the gifts of God.  But if they neglect the better things of the heavenly city, which are secured by eternal victory and peace never-ending, and so inordinately covet these present good things that they believe them to be the only desirable things, or love them better than those things which are believed to be better,—if this be so, then it is necessary that misery follow and ever increase.

I've defined what I mean by "peace" multiple times.  You continue to re-define it and then debate the re-defined word.  This is the definition of an logical fallacy known as a "strawman".

There's no sense in continuing the conversation.  You're not replying to what I wrote; you're replying to some warped revision of my thoughts.

Sounds like the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr with a Catholic spin. It's a deception. Don't fall for it. Only God will save us. We don't save ourselves. That is why He has to come back to reveal and slay the Antichrist [2 Thessalonians 2:8].

In the meantime, watch and pray.