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Traditional Catholic Faith => Crisis in the Church => Topic started by: Viva Cristo Rey on December 23, 2017, 10:54:55 PM

Title: Paul VI to become a saint in 2018?
Post by: Viva Cristo Rey on December 23, 2017, 10:54:55 PM: Yikes. Vatican II full speed ahead
Title: Re: Paul VI to become a saint in 2018?
Post by: Neil Obstat on December 23, 2017, 11:58:45 PM: .
Apoc. xiii. 6 f
And he opened his mouth unto blasphemies against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them. And power was given him over every tribe, and people, and tongue, and nation.
8 And all that dwell upon the earth adored him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb, which was slain from the beginning of the world.
9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.
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Title: Re: Paul VI to become a saint in 2018?
Post by: Viva Cristo Rey on December 24, 2017, 01:03:13 AM: I guess we have to pray for Pope Paul VI.
Title: Re: Paul VI to become a saint in 2018?
Post by: JezusDeKoning on December 24, 2017, 07:24:40 AM: :facepalm:
Title: Re: Paul VI to become a saint in 2018?
Post by: 2Vermont on December 28, 2017, 05:35:41 PM: Watch how the "Traditional Catholic" goalposts move again....
Title: Re: Paul VI to become a saint in 2018?
Post by: Ladislaus on December 29, 2017, 03:08:10 PM: Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey on December 24, 2017, 01:03:13 AM
I guess we have to pray for Pope Paul VI.

Pray TO him is more like it ... if you think that Bergoglio is certainly a legitimate pope.
Title: Re: Paul VI to become a saint in 2018?
Post by: RomanCatholic1953 on December 30, 2017, 01:07:38 AM: No Thank You. Never.
Title: Re: Paul VI to become a saint in 2018?
Post by: Gabriella on January 10, 2018, 11:40:26 AM: This is a must read for anyone you know who is the slightest confused on the topic:
http://padrepioandchiesaviva.com/site/2c47506ca42847829355bf23e18fec19/default?url=http%3A%2F%2Fpadrepioandchiesaviva.com%2FPaul_VI_Beatified_.html#2629 (http://padrepioandchiesaviva.com/site/2c47506ca42847829355bf23e18fec19/default?url=http%3A%2F%2Fpadrepioandchiesaviva.com%2FPaul_VI_Beatified_.html#2629)

It is a free e-booklet that you can read by Fr. Luigi Villa (who’s work was commissioned by St. Padre Pio himself. The booklet is called:
“PAUL IV BEATIFIED?”

You probably would not be disappointed if you were to read everything thing wrote and not just this.
Title: Re: Paul VI to become a saint in 2018?
Post by: graceseeker on January 10, 2018, 02:38:22 PM: everyone is a saint, dontcha know?

bleh...

Please!

that everyone is a saint thing is about as big a LIE as you c an get. It is just the opposite. Most people do NOT love Jesus very much
Title: Re: Paul VI to become a saint in 2018?
Post by: Prayerful on January 10, 2018, 05:12:42 PM: Quote from: Gabriella on January 10, 2018, 11:40:26 AM
This is a must read for anyone you know who is the slightest confused on the topic:
http://padrepioandchiesaviva.com/site/2c47506ca42847829355bf23e18fec19/default?url=http%3A%2F%2Fpadrepioandchiesaviva.com%2FPaul_VI_Beatified_.html#2629 (http://padrepioandchiesaviva.com/site/2c47506ca42847829355bf23e18fec19/default?url=http%3A%2F%2Fpadrepioandchiesaviva.com%2FPaul_VI_Beatified_.html#2629)

It is a free e-booklet that you can read by Fr. Luigi Villa (who’s work was commissioned by St. Padre Pio himself. The booklet is called:
“PAUL IV BEATIFIED?”

You probably would not be disappointed if you were to read everything thing wrote and not just this.
That link wouldn't work for me, so here it is for anyone for whom that 404ed:
http://padrepioandchiesaviva.com/Paul_VI_Beatified_.html (choose the language) or http://padrepioandchiesaviva.com/uploads/Paul_VI.._beatified_english.pdf (English pdf).
Well worth reading for a good summary of that harmful man. Roncalli was foolish and weak, but he was followed by someone who came close to suppressing the Mass.
Title: Re: Paul VI to become a saint in 2018?
Post by: Viva Cristo Rey on January 11, 2018, 03:55:46 AM: I pray to God.
Not to Pope Paul VI. I might pray for him. This is what Catholic teaching says for us to do - pray for our enemies..pray for souls in purgatory.
Title: Re: Paul VI to become a saint in 2018?
Post by: Gabriella on January 11, 2018, 06:36:49 PM: Quote from: Prayerful on January 10, 2018, 05:12:42 PM
That link wouldn't work for me, so here it is for anyone for whom that 404ed:
http://padrepioandchiesaviva.com/Paul_VI_Beatified_.html (choose the language) or http://padrepioandchiesaviva.com/uploads/Paul_VI.._beatified_english.pdf (English pdf).
Well worth reading for a good summary of that harmful man. Roncalli was foolish and weak, but he was followed by someone who came close to suppressing the Mass.
Thank you, I don't know why it didn't work.
Title: Re: Paul VI to become a saint in 2018?
Post by: Neil Obstat on January 11, 2018, 06:48:16 PM: Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey on January 11, 2018, 03:55:46 AM
I pray to God.
Not to Pope Paul VI. I might pray for him. This is what Catholic teaching says for us to do - pray for our enemies..pray for souls in purgatory.
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I once asked a trad priest if he could offer a Mass for Annibale Bugnini and he looked like he was sucking a lemon.
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Well, I read a story that St. Lawrence prayed for his pursecutors while he roasted on a grid iron.
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Then there is the Prayer in the Mass for the Feast St. Lawrence, August 10th, which has an expanded version found at the end of the Benedicite.
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It was hard for me at first, but I got used to it after a while, then I liked it so much I found an image of his statue which I made into my avatar, which see ...
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(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cd/Lawrence767jf.JPG/640px-Lawrence767jf.JPG)
Title: Re: Paul VI to become a saint in 2018?
Post by: Neil Obstat on January 11, 2018, 06:57:27 PM: Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey on December 24, 2017, 01:03:13 AM
I guess we have to pray for Pope Paul VI.
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If this does happen, and Paul VI is still in Purgatory (or if he didn't make it) his torments would increase.
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So praying that it does NOT happen is kind of like praying for Paul VI: it's for his benefit.
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Which would be easier, to curse the memory of Paul VI or pray for the repose of his soul?
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Often times the saints chose the more difficult thing, for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leadeth to destruction and many there are who go in thereat, but narrow is the gate that leadeth to life and few there are that find it.
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Title: Re: Paul VI to become a saint in 2018?
Post by: cassini on January 14, 2018, 02:48:15 PM: Quote from: Neil Obstat on January 11, 2018, 06:57:27 PM
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If this does happen, and Paul VI is still in Purgatory (or if he didn't make it) his torments would increase.
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So praying that it does NOT happen is kind of like praying for Paul VI: it's for his benefit.
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Which would be easier, to curse the memory of Paul VI or pray for the repose of his soul?
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Often times the saints chose the more difficult thing, for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leadeth to destruction and many there are who go in thereat, but narrow is the gate that leadeth to life and few there are that find it.
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As I understand it, every man is responsible for his actions as they affect others. Given Pope Paul VI put his office behind Vatican II and the new Mass, doesn't he have to share in the blame for the loss of millions of souls and billions more to come?

The idea that he is a saint in heaven makes nonsense of Catholic teaching and understanding. So, are we damned if we dont and damned if we do?

Didn't God tell us 'by their fruits you shall know them?'