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Traditional Catholic Faith => Crisis in the Church => Topic started by: Maria Auxiliadora on December 13, 2013, 07:17:34 PM
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http://vaticaninsider.lastampa.it/en/the-vatican/detail/articolo/paolo-vi-paul-vi-pablo-vi-30603/
This is ridiculous!
12/13/2013
Paul VI’s “miracle” receives medical approval
Paul VI comes one step closer to beatification as the Medical Commission of the Congregation for the Causes of Saints declares that the former Italian Pope’s healing of an unborn child is unexplainable
ANDREA TORNIELLI
vatican city
The Medical Commission of the Congregation for the Causes of Saints chaired by Dr. Patrizio Polisca, Benedict XVI and Francis’ personal doctor, has called a healing attributed to Giovanni Battista Montini, Pope Paul VI, “unexplainable”. The alleged miracle will now have to be examined by theologians and cardinals before it receives the Pope’s approval. But the toughest part is over and it is expected that Montini’s beatification will take place in the next few months.
From the list of reported cases of healing which the postulator of Paul VI’s cause, Antonio Marrazzo, received, he chose one case which early clinical tests showed as “unexplainable”. Marrazzo chose this healing case some time ago. A year ago, on 20 December 2012, Benedict XVI approved the heroic virtues of Paul VI, concluding the canonical process. Only one miracle is required for beatification.
The alleged miracle Marrazzo chose to present to the commission, was the healing of an unborn child witnessed in California in the early 90s. During a woman’s pregnancy, doctors found a serious problem in the foetus which normally results in brain damage and advised the mother to abort. The woman refused and decided to go ahead with the pregnancy, trusting in the intercession of Paul V, the Pope who wrote the “Humanae Vitae” encyclical in 1968.
The child was born without any defects but only when the child reached puberty could doctors be certain of whether the child had made a full recovery without any problem. A year ago Fr. Marrazzo told Vatican Radio that “a truly extraordinary and supernatural event had occurred thanks to the intercession of Paul VI.” This healing was perfectly in line with the magisterium of Paul VI, who wrote the “Humanae Vitae” in defence of human life, but also in defence of the family because the docuмent talks about conjugal love, not just about unborn life. This healing fits in with Montini’s way of thinking.”
The debate over the late Pope’s cause has intensified over the past year, with doctors exchanging medical opinions until yesterday’s final verdict. Speaking at a conference on Paul VI’s visit to the Holy Land last November, the Archbishop of Milan, Cardinal Angelo Scola, said the former Pope’s beatification “should be relatively imminent.”
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With all the latest technology, how many of us have friends who were advised to have an abortion because the unborn was diagnosed with Down Syndrome...and are born perfectly healthy? But in the 90's? They must be desperate! :facepalm:
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I can't believe that anyone would pray for the intercession of Paul VI, one of the most evil men in history, the greatest destroyer in the Church's history. :smoke-pot:
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I can't believe that anyone would pray for the intercession of Paul VI, one of the most evil men in history, the greatest destroyer in the Church's history. :smoke-pot:
Maybe THAT is what they mean by miracle? :laugh1:
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I can't believe that anyone would pray for the intercession of Paul VI, one of the most evil men in history, the greatest destroyer in the Church's history. :smoke-pot:
birds of a feather flock together
with the homo dominated Vatican.......................
just sayin
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I wonder what "miracles" they have planned for Bergoglio's inevitable "canonization."
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If you ever see the footage of paul 6, it is clear he is a closet homo.
link shows paul 6 visiting "modern art"
http://www.traditioninaction.org/RevolutionPhotos/A465-P6-Art.htm
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You'll notice that this supposed "miracle" was already known about when this was published. I wonder why his "canonization" stopped so suddenly if this "miracle" was authentic?
http://www.padrepioandchiesaviva.com/uploads/Paul_VI.._beatified_english.pdf
Also, someone in that "office" needs to be fired.
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With all the latest technology, how many of us have friends who were advised to have an abortion because the unborn was diagnosed with Down Syndrome...and are born perfectly healthy? But in the 90's? They must be desperate! :facepalm:
This is truly outrageous. I was one such mother told that I would be saddled with a handicapped child for the rest of my life--but I don't think it is rash to assume there are thousands of us lied to by bad doctors.
Actually, it is sort of a relief that they are using something so spurious to hustle this deal along. Relief is not the right word. Christ have mercy on us.
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http://vaticaninsider.lastampa.it/en/the-
A year ago, on 20 December 2012, Benedict XVI approved the heroic virtues of Paul VI, concluding the canonical process. Only one miracle is required for beatification.
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Hadn't B16 already decided to resign by then?
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I wonder what "miracles" they have planned for Bergoglio's inevitable "canonization."
Even though it is very likely that the contemporary clerics are dyed in the wool atheists, they know they have to put on a show for their followers (who really should know better).
Having said this, the conciliar crowd just has to declare an event a miracle. The mainstream media won't care since they think religion is for idiots and Pope Francis is their man leading the fools.
On a personal side, my wife was told repeatedly that her baby was " abnormal" and a possible Down's syndrome baby. Now, since I know how people in the medical world think, I reassured my wife that we had nothing to worry about and that the medical people are just trying to talk her into having an abortion. That was eight years ago. My daughter is only abnormal in the fact that she is slightly larger than the rest of her siblings at that age. I can almost guarantee that tens of thousands of babies are born after a ghoul said the tests say that an abnormality is to be expected. Sadly, tens of thousands of babies are aborted due to this ghoulish advice.
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http://vaticaninsider.lastampa.it/en/the-
A year ago, on 20 December 2012, Benedict XVI approved the heroic virtues of Paul VI, concluding the canonical process. Only one miracle is required for beatification.
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Hadn't B16 already decided to resign by then?
Not many knew he was going to resign (supposedly). But that very date, 12/20/13 was the day he said in a speech that "This is the end of the old Church and the beginning of the new", according to the Vatican Insider. He was working on the "saints" of the new church.
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This image tells the whole story about Paul VI.
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http://vaticaninsider.lastampa.it/en/the-
A year ago, on 20 December 2012, Benedict XVI approved the heroic virtues of Paul VI, concluding the canonical process. Only one miracle is required for beatification.
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Hadn't B16 already decided to resign by then?
Not many knew he was going to resign (supposedly). But that very date, 12/20/13 was the day he said in a speech that "This is the end of the old Church and the beginning of the new", according to the Vatican Insider. He was working on the "saints" of the new church.
Thank you SO much for checking that out! There is so much of this dark chapter we don't know, IMO.
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Not many knew he was going to resign (supposedly). But that very date, 12/20/13 was the day he said in a speech that "This is the end of the old Church and the beginning of the new", according to the Vatican Insider. He was working on the "saints" of the new church.
Can you provide a better reference for this quote? The Vatican website shows that Ratzinger gave one speech on that date (actually, given in 2012) but he did not say this in that speech, or even anything that sounds like this.
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This image tells the whole story about Paul VI.
Something that goes along with this picture, is the quote of someone that was present immediately after he died, "He stinketh."
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Not many knew he was going to resign (supposedly). But that very date, 12/20/13 was the day he said in a speech that "This is the end of the old Church and the beginning of the new", according to the Vatican Insider. He was working on the "saints" of the new church.
Can you provide a better reference for this quote? The Vatican website shows that Ratzinger gave one speech on that date (actually, given in 2012) but he did not say this in that speech, or even anything that sounds like this.
I gave the wrong year. It was December 2012 before he resigned. Here is the link to the article I'm referring to http://vaticaninsider.lastampa.it/en/news/detail/articolo/francisco-francis-francisco-23375/
03/19/2013
"Francis is the future indicated by Benedict XVI"
Reflections by a biblical scholar from the Pontifical University of the Holy Cross
Domenico Agasso Jr.
vatican city
He is a biblical scholar, writer and lecturer in Sacred Scripture at the Pontifical University of the Holy Cross. Simone Venturini, 46 years old, has written books such as "I grandi misteri irrisolti della Chiesa" (The Great Unsolved Mysteries of the Church) and "Il libro segreto di Gesù" (The Secret Book of Jesus), and has recently published a book about the still-current events surrounding Benedict XVI's resignation from the papacy, the current situation in the Vatican hierarchy and the future of the Church.
The name and the humble and likeable style of the new Pope have amazed many: is this the first result of a programme of renewal begun by the Church?
"There was a strong need for a new style inside the Church and the Roman Curia. A brotherly style, where everyone can share what is on their minds, where everybody collaborates with frankness in service of the Church. This is the first of other tasty fruits to come. They will grow slowly and will radically change the face of the Holy See, depriving it of that court-like aspect that has characterized it so far."
The first Jesuit Pope, the first who chooses the name Francis, the first Latin American: these are quite a few records for a single Pontiff.
"Because, in my opinion, this is a new beginning for the Church. In an interview in December 2012, Benedict XVI claimed to be the 'end of the old' and 'the beginning of the new'. Now we understand how those words had were of 'great importance in the life of the Church.’ Without Benedict XVI's gesture, I'm not afraid to say a Pope like Francis would never have arrived. Francis is the beginning of a historical course that will gradually bring the Church back to being a true community of believers capable of bringing hope to the world."
You have just published “Il libro segreto di Papa Ratzinger. L’uomo che ha rinunciato al Papato. Cosa si nasconde dietro la rinuncia al trono di Pietro” (The Secret Book of Pope Ratzinger. The Man who Renounced the Papacy. What Lies behind the Renunciation of the Throne of Peter) published by Newton Compton. What does lie behind this Professor?
"The high and deep conception the Pope Emeritus has of Christianity and the Church is what 'lies behind it'. The Church is not at the mercy of the waves, as it is ruled by God's providential design and by the successors of Peter. The serenity with which Benedict XVI renounced the papacy derives in part from this high understanding. He wants to send this message loud and clear to Christians and to his main colleagues of the Curia: the Church is not the Cardinals', but God's and we are all at His service".
"If the Church stays wrapped up in itself, it will age. And if I had to choose between a wounded Church that goes out onto the streets and a sick withdrawn Church, I would definitely choose the first one": these words were said recently by Jorge Mario Bergoglio: will they be a cornerstone of his papacy?
"Certainly. The emphasis on God's mercy, taking the cue from last Sunday's biblical readings, means that we need not fear our sins, we must not wait to convert to go to the streets and 'get our hands dirty ' with the poor. Because only by renouncing our narcissism and selfishness will we put God at the centre of our lives, the source of our interior renewal."
What is the biggest hope that the new Bishop of Rome stirs up in you?
"That he will listen to us all without filters, that he will listen to the Holy Spirit and to what it suggests to him for the good of all. More than ever these days it is possible to perceive clearly how important the Church is for world change! I hope and pray that all of us who work for the Holy See will be prepared to give up something for the good of the universal Church."
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Not many knew he was going to resign (supposedly). But that very date, 12/20/13 was the day he said in a speech that "This is the end of the old Church and the beginning of the new", according to the Vatican Insider. He was working on the "saints" of the new church.
Can you provide a better reference for this quote? The Vatican website shows that Ratzinger gave one speech on that date (actually, given in 2012) but he did not say this in that speech, or even anything that sounds like this.
I gave the wrong year. It was December 2012 before he resigned. Here is the link to the article I'm referring to http://vaticaninsider.lastampa.it/en/news/detail/articolo/francisco-francis-francisco-23375/
Thank you. Yes, in context I understood the year you intended. I see that it was said in an interview rather than in a speech, which is why it was not in the speech he gave on that date that is published on the Vatican website.
I did not doubt the accuracy of the statement because such a statement is completely in character of Ratzinger, Wojtyła, or even Montini. We've been hearing about the end of the old and the beginning of the new for 50 years now--and that itself is getting very old.
The reason I wanted the information clarified is that the enemies of the Church constantly pick out and magnify any inaccuracies given which tend to demonstrate the problems in the Conciliar sect as well as deny that these pretended popes have even said the things they say. With Bergoglio, they've even got the reporter himself to deny that he said anything, so these things, when they are referenced, need to be docuмented.
Once again, thank you.
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Not many knew he was going to resign (supposedly). But that very date, 12/20/13 was the day he said in a speech that "This is the end of the old Church and the beginning of the new", according to the Vatican Insider. He was working on the "saints" of the new church.
Can you provide a better reference for this quote? The Vatican website shows that Ratzinger gave one speech on that date (actually, given in 2012) but he did not say this in that speech, or even anything that sounds like this.
I gave the wrong year. It was December 2012 before he resigned. Here is the link to the article I'm referring to http://vaticaninsider.lastampa.it/en/news/detail/articolo/francisco-francis-francisco-23375/
03/19/2013
"Francis is the future indicated by Benedict XVI"
Reflections by a biblical scholar from the Pontifical University of the Holy Cross
Domenico Agasso Jr.
vatican city
He is a biblical scholar, writer and lecturer in Sacred Scripture at the Pontifical University of the Holy Cross. Simone Venturini, 46 years old, has written books such as "I grandi misteri irrisolti della Chiesa" (The Great Unsolved Mysteries of the Church) and "Il libro segreto di Gesù" (The Secret Book of Jesus), and has recently published a book about the still-current events surrounding Benedict XVI's resignation from the papacy, the current situation in the Vatican hierarchy and the future of the Church.
The name and the humble and likeable style of the new Pope have amazed many: is this the first result of a programme of renewal begun by the Church?
"There was a strong need for a new style inside the Church and the Roman Curia. A brotherly style, where everyone can share what is on their minds, where everybody collaborates with frankness in service of the Church. This is the first of other tasty fruits to come. They will grow slowly and will radically change the face of the Holy See, depriving it of that court-like aspect that has characterized it so far."
The first Jesuit Pope, the first who chooses the name Francis, the first Latin American: these are quite a few records for a single Pontiff.
"Because, in my opinion, this is a new beginning for the Church. In an interview in December 2012, Benedict XVI claimed to be the 'end of the old' and 'the beginning of the new'. Now we understand how those words had were of 'great importance in the life of the Church.’ Without Benedict XVI's gesture, I'm not afraid to say a Pope like Francis would never have arrived. Francis is the beginning of a historical course that will gradually bring the Church back to being a true community of believers capable of bringing hope to the world."
You have just published “Il libro segreto di Papa Ratzinger. L’uomo che ha rinunciato al Papato. Cosa si nasconde dietro la rinuncia al trono di Pietro” (The Secret Book of Pope Ratzinger. The Man who Renounced the Papacy. What Lies behind the Renunciation of the Throne of Peter) published by Newton Compton. What does lie behind this Professor?
"The high and deep conception the Pope Emeritus has of Christianity and the Church is what 'lies behind it'. The Church is not at the mercy of the waves, as it is ruled by God's providential design and by the successors of Peter. The serenity with which Benedict XVI renounced the papacy derives in part from this high understanding. He wants to send this message loud and clear to Christians and to his main colleagues of the Curia: the Church is not the Cardinals', but God's and we are all at His service".
"If the Church stays wrapped up in itself, it will age. And if I had to choose between a wounded Church that goes out onto the streets and a sick withdrawn Church, I would definitely choose the first one": these words were said recently by Jorge Mario Bergoglio: will they be a cornerstone of his papacy?
"Certainly. The emphasis on God's mercy, taking the cue from last Sunday's biblical readings, means that we need not fear our sins, we must not wait to convert to go to the streets and 'get our hands dirty ' with the poor. Because only by renouncing our narcissism and selfishness will we put God at the centre of our lives, the source of our interior renewal."
What is the biggest hope that the new Bishop of Rome stirs up in you?
"That he will listen to us all without filters, that he will listen to the Holy Spirit and to what it suggests to him for the good of all. More than ever these days it is possible to perceive clearly how important the Church is for world change! I hope and pray that all of us who work for the Holy See will be prepared to give up something for the good of the universal Church."
Excuse me for quoting myself. I just read the interview with Fr. Lombardi of today 12/27/13 (link below). The nonsense Fr. Lombardi speaks of on the article below is the same nonsense that was mentioned in the article being quoted (above in red ink). Ambiguity used to cover their deceit. He is referring to the “new church” foretold by BXVI on 12/2013 and for which he moved out of the way: the “New Evangelization”, the “Evangelical Catholicism”or “Latin American Catholicism” of Francis which has earned the praise and recognition of the enemies of the Church.
http://vaticaninsider.lastampa.it/en/the-vatican/detail/articolo/papa-el-papa-pope-padre-lombardi-30851/
From Today's Interview with Fr. Lombardi:
On Ratzinger’s resignation
Ratzinger’s decision to step down from the pontificate “is a choice which left its mark on the Church this year and will continue to mark the Church in the decades to come,” Fr. Lombardi said. Benedict XVI’s resignation “will affect the pontificates to come.” The move “has opened up a path, a possibility let’s say, which in terms of the reason for the resignation, is to do with the times we are living in, as Bergoglio rightly said.” It is not so much down to a personal choice but taking stock of the accuмulation of problems that come with changing times.”The Pope took stock of this showing great lucidity and humility, giving the Church the chance to be led with renewed vigour. And this is precisely what has happened and it has happened in an astounding and unexpected way.”