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Offline Ladislaus

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Patrick Coffin goes Bennyvacantist
« on: February 11, 2022, 11:55:09 AM »
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    • He's made comments before on his EWTN radio show coming a hair's breadth away from saying Bergoglio isn't the pope.  I kept wondering why he wasn't kicked off the air.

    We'll, he's come out now as a Bennyvacantist (BennysedepleneBergogliovacantist to be precise).

    https://rumble.com/vume9o-seven-pieces-of-evidence-that-francis-is-an-antipope.html
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    Re: Patrick Coffin goes Bennyvacantist
    « Reply #1 on: February 11, 2022, 11:59:52 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on February 11, 2022, 11:55:09 AM
    He's made comments before on his EWTN radio show coming a hair's breadth away from saying Bergoglio isn't the pope.  I kept wondering why he wasn't kicked off the air.

    We'll, he's come out now as a Bennyvacantist (BennysedepleneBergogliovacantist to be precise).

    https://rumble.com/vume9o-seven-pieces-of-evidence-that-francis-is-an-antipope.html


    Do Bennyvacantists truly think there was no Crisis in the Church during the reign of Pope Benedict? Why didn't they give up their Trad chapels and go back to their local parishes?

    They probably did -- because they weren't really TRADS, didn't have any illicit chapels to begin with, and were only after the "Latin Mass" which Pope Benedict made much more available at their local parishes.

    In short, Bennyvacantism is an INDULT phenomenon, and the logical result of the error of having any truck with the Conciliar Church, seeking permission for your birthright which is to attend the Tridentine Mass, nourish your Faith and/or save your soul.
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    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: Patrick Coffin goes Bennyvacantist
    « Reply #2 on: February 11, 2022, 12:06:37 PM »
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    • Quote from: Matthew on February 11, 2022, 11:59:52 AM
    Do Bennyvacantists truly think there was no Crisis in the Church during the reign of Pope Benedict?

    That's the million-dollar question.  Cardinal Kasper famously said:
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    “They are different personalities of course, different backgrounds ... One is European, the other comes from Latin America. [But] if you read exactly what they write, it’s the same line and substance.”

    https://cruxnow.com/vatican/2018/10/kasper-sees-no-substantial-difference-between-benedict-and-francis

    And if you actually read Ratzinger's theology, this is clearly the case.


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    Re: Patrick Coffin goes Bennyvacantist
    « Reply #3 on: February 11, 2022, 12:08:03 PM »
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    • Leaving aside for the moment the incongruity of accepting the papacies from John XXIII - Benedict XVI, but not Francis, Coffin gives these 7 pieces of evidence for his position:

    Evidence items:

    1) The term “pope emeritus” has no precedent and is confusing
    2) Pope Benedict XVI seems to have resigned only part of the papacy, the active ministerium, not the office or munus of the papacy
    3) Pope Benedict’s longtime personal secretary Archbishop Georg Gänswein has made statements that appear to affirm Benedict's continued papal identity
    4) Pope Benedict's correct form of address is still “Your Holiness”
    5) There are at least three errors in the official Latin “declaratio” read by Pope Benedict on February 11th 2013
    6) "Universal peaceful acceptance by the Church of Francis has never really occurred
    7) The canonically illegal behavior of the St. Gallen Mafia cardinals in conspiring to vote in their man from Buenos Aires in 2013 invalidates the Conclave

    I haven't had chance to listen to his 30 minute video, but I would be very interested in what he has to say on point #6 (as it is a point of contention between R&R and some sedes).
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    Re: Patrick Coffin goes Bennyvacantist
    « Reply #4 on: February 11, 2022, 12:11:06 PM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on February 11, 2022, 12:08:03 PM

    6) "Universal peaceful acceptance by the Church of Francis has never really occurred

    That's nonsense.  He argues that people found something "off" about him from the beginning.  :laugh1:

    Then he argues that the notion hasn't been defined, with which I agree.
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    Re: Patrick Coffin goes Bennyvacantist
    « Reply #5 on: February 11, 2022, 12:13:37 PM »
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    • Sean, you gave some rational reasons for "Bennyvacantism". However, the Indulters who accept that position aren't going by any of those reason, but rather the reason I gave:

    Pope Benedict freed the "Latin Mass" somewhat. For them, there's no Crisis in the Church, just a hiccup in the implementation of Vatican II. "Vatican II has never been truly implemented" and all that rubbish.

    If they have the Latin Mass, they are ONE HUNDRED percent happy. See, I wouldn't be. Not until the FAITH ITSELF is safe again in Rome.
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    Re: Patrick Coffin goes Bennyvacantist
    « Reply #6 on: February 11, 2022, 12:15:52 PM »
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    • Lad and Matthew-

    The 7 pieces of evidence are from COFFIN, not me.

    They are posted by him at the link Lad posted in the OP.
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    Re: Patrick Coffin goes Bennyvacantist
    « Reply #7 on: February 11, 2022, 12:16:47 PM »
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    • FWIW, all the Bennyplenists I've ever heard speak to the issue give reasons such as Sean listed (from Coffin).  I've never heard one say, "it's because he's more conservative" or "he freed the Latin Mass."
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    Re: Patrick Coffin goes Bennyvacantist
    « Reply #8 on: February 11, 2022, 12:17:35 PM »
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    • Let's all return to the glory days of the Church under St. Montini and St. Wojtyla.
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    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: Patrick Coffin goes Bennyvacantist
    « Reply #9 on: February 11, 2022, 12:18:21 PM »
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    • He also wrongly claims that an excommunicated man can't be pope.  He hasn't really done his homework.  He should talk to the sedevacantists a bit.
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    Re: Patrick Coffin goes Bennyvacantist
    « Reply #10 on: February 11, 2022, 12:19:15 PM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on February 11, 2022, 12:15:52 PM
    Lad and Matthew-

    The 7 pieces of evidence are from COFFIN, not me.

    They are posted by him at the link Lad posted in the OP.

    Right, I understand.  I'm just reacting to the comment he made.
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    Re: Patrick Coffin goes Bennyvacantist
    « Reply #11 on: February 11, 2022, 12:21:46 PM »
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    • Here's what's going on.  Someone like Coffin, who still has the faith, simply cannot reconcile Beroglio with Catholicism.  That part we all get.  So maybe it can be a first step, once he realizes that a guy parading around in white doesn't make him pope.  They were always able to find a way to explain away Wojtyla and Montini, but Bergoglio defies all such attempts at being salvaged.

    So Bergoglio is in fact, by being so over the top, exposing the entire conspiracy ... as that one prophecy indicated would happen "about 12 years after the millennium has passed) ... Bergoglio took office in early 2013.
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    Re: Patrick Coffin goes Bennyvacantist
    « Reply #12 on: February 11, 2022, 12:22:48 PM »
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    • Quote from: Matthew on February 11, 2022, 11:59:52 AM
    In short, Bennyvacantism is an INDULT phenomenon, and the logical result of the error of having any truck with the Conciliar Church, seeking permission for your birthright which is to attend the Tridentine Mass, nourish your Faith and/or save your soul.
    Yep. Pretty much. But, at least it admits that there is a problem to begin with.
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    Re: Patrick Coffin goes Bennyvacantist
    « Reply #13 on: February 11, 2022, 12:23:39 PM »
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    • Quote from: DigitalLogos on February 11, 2022, 12:22:48 PM
    Yep. Pretty much. But, at least it admits recognition that there is a problem to begin with.

    Right, I think it's the beginning of a paradigm shift.  He denounces Beroglio's pachamama episode.  Has he looked at Assisi yet?
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    Re: Patrick Coffin goes Bennyvacantist
    « Reply #14 on: February 11, 2022, 12:24:47 PM »
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    • Here’s how I would appraise Coffin’s 7 pieces of evidence:

    1) Neither here not there;

    2) A canonical defect would be “healed in the root” by Francis’s acceptance (Billot);

    3) Immaterial;

    4) False: He is Cardinal Ratzinger (His Eminence is his proper title);

    5) See #2;

    6) He is making an argument of fact.  What exactly is his argument to support this claim??

    7) See #2.

    Overall, a very weak list.  The only possibility I can see is demonstrating #6 (but nobody in the conciliarists church has made this claim thus far).
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