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Author Topic: Patrick Coffin goes Bennyvacantist  (Read 5148 times)

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Re: Patrick Coffin goes Bennyvacantist
« Reply #20 on: February 11, 2022, 12:30:36 PM »
Coffin’s list, not mine

That's why I wrote "(from Coffin)".

Re: Patrick Coffin goes Bennyvacantist
« Reply #21 on: February 11, 2022, 12:31:42 PM »
That's why I wrote "(from Coffin)".
Ah, my bad.


Re: Patrick Coffin goes Bennyvacantist
« Reply #22 on: February 11, 2022, 12:35:00 PM »
Haven't watched the vid, but taking the summary at face value, I don't think it's as honest as it could be. Face it, if Bergo was like JP2 in doctrine, people like Coffin wouldn't be asking questions or drawing conclusions. The impetus for all this (perfectly justified) hand-wringing is the fact that Bergo can't breathe without uttering something bizarrely unorthodox or outright heretical. THAT is why Coffin and others are Bennyvacantist, despite whatever lawyerish explanations they'll provide. 

Re: Patrick Coffin goes Bennyvacantist
« Reply #23 on: February 11, 2022, 01:30:57 PM »
Do Bennyvacantists truly think there was no Crisis in the Church during the reign of Pope Benedict? Why didn't they give up their Trad chapels and go back to their local parishes?

They probably did -- because they weren't really TRADS, didn't have any illicit chapels to begin with, and were only after the "Latin Mass" which Pope Benedict made much more available at their local parishes.

In short, Bennyvacantism is an INDULT phenomenon, and the logical result of the error of having any truck with the Conciliar Church, seeking permission for your birthright which is to attend the Tridentine Mass, nourish your Faith and/or save your soul.
The then Fr Ratzinger was a suited radical at V2, and while he did repent somewhat when he saw the disorder of student protest at the end of the sixties, his theology is still formed around V2. When he became Pope he did at least revise the ecuмenical meeting at Assisi so it was no longer a pagan prayer meeting, and he fixed ruled to defrock perv priests, which Francis temporarily stymied. I would say that diocesan traditionalists were a thing, variously using priests with the Bugnini indult to offer their private Mass which they happened to attend, priests who often assisted the SSPX. Fr Michael Cresswell was one who helped get the SSPX in Ireland off the ground. Fr Alan Wilders was another diocesan priest who helped the SSPX. Later he helped found St. Patrick's Academy, Islandeady, a boarding school in Mayo. When the diocesan traditional Mass resumed in Ireland in 1984, it was not a matter of a priest having to wrack his brain to recall to how offer the Mass for priests were offering it wherever a room could be hired. Some were SSPX, some friends of it, others diocesan or Order. That said, I don't think Patrick Coffin is a hardbitten, long in the tooth, diocesan trad, just a usual grifter.

Re: Patrick Coffin goes Bennyvacantist
« Reply #24 on: February 11, 2022, 01:36:44 PM »
Bene-vacantists are one scandal away from recognizing there is no pope. They aren't grounded in what a true Papacy is.