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Offline St Paul

Re: Parish saved from closure through the TLM!
« Reply #5 on: April 05, 2019, 09:21:40 AM »
Quote from: XavierSem on April 05, 2019, 05:29:50 AM
He Makes All Things New – Secular News Report on TLM in Providence, RI April 2, 2019
Posted by Tantumblogo in awesomeness, Basics, episcopate, fightback, General Catholic, Glory, Grace, Latin Mass, priests, Restoration, thanksgiving, Tradition, true leadership, Virtue.
trackback https://veneremurcernui.wordpress.com/2019/04/02/he-makes-all-things-new-secular-news-report-on-tlm-in-providence-ri/

"Former Superior of the Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter (FSSP) Father John Berg is highlighted in a local TV report about the restoration of a parish in Providence, Rhode Island after it switched from the inefficacious “church of accompaniment” model to that of Holy Mother Church – e.g., the traditional practice of the Faith.  A parish that was headed for closure is now growing and expecting a bright future with large families and devout souls:



Some thoughts – they obviously visited during Mass on Laetare Sunday. What a blessing to have such a beautiful church which helps focus the mind on our eternal end and the great gifts of the Church and her Saints.  The church still needs some restoration – an altar rail and probably a proper baptistery among other things.  Nevertheless, they have some wonderful material to work with.  Would that we were so fortunate  here locally, but perhaps one day we will be.  Also, I appreciated the comment from one gentleman about the fundamental difference between a Novus Ordo parish offering a TLM or two – as beneficial and wonderful as that is – and a parish dedicated to the entire traditional practice of the Faith in all its forms and with all the manifold benefits that brings.  So true, so true.

Speaking of the future and the local Latin Mass parish Mater Dei, it was reported this past Sunday that Mater Dei is expected to have 2500 souls attending on Sunday within 7 or 8 years, if not sooner.  Wow.  That will be interesting.  I still think that indicates sufficient “demand” for another TLM parish, but I don’t see the bishop queueing up to ask my opinion on the matter anytime soon.

Our eternal Holy Mother Church will be restored, one way or another (either the Church will return to her true nature after this generation of charlatans and self-interested grifters passes, or Christ will come again).  I prefer the former, but may His will be done!

Good on Bishop Tobin for bringing a full TLM parish back to New England.  May there be many more."
"Mater dei"
https://www.materdeiparish.org
They have a "sacrament" called "Reconciliation".
Please show me where, in the baltimore catechism, it says there is such a sacrament.
A liberal by any other name is still a liberal.
A wolf in sheep's clothing will fool some people for a while.
Wake up.
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Re: Parish saved from closure through the TLM!
« Reply #6 on: April 05, 2019, 09:29:34 AM »
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This crisis is not predominantly about the Mass but about the faith
Absolutely agree 1,000%!  New-churchers think that if everyone went to the TLM in all the dioceses, then everything would be hunky-dory.  Far from it.  Any good derived from the TLM by the laity is still off-set and undermined by the heresies and lies still promoted by the local Bishops and priests (and Cardinals) everywhere.  Take for example, DC, where +Francis just named an openly-pro-gαy Bishop there.  What good does it do that area when there are TLMs offered, but the Bishop promotes anti-catholic "gαy friendly" masses, attends pride marches, allows or turns his head when divorced catholics receive communion, etc, etc?

On the whole, sure, it's a great thing to see catholics attend the True Liturgy, instead of the abomination that is the new mass, but if they still are being taught errors and heresies (i.e. NFP, V2's almost-universal salvation, V2's false religious liberty, V2's false ecuмenism, annullments on-demand, scandalous dress at mass, lack of reverence in church, gαy-friendly and socialistic agendas in the schools, etc, etc, etc.  I could write a book about the errors that poor, new-catholics are taught.) does that teach them catholic truths, which they lack and need?  No.  NEW CATHOLICS DON'T KNOW THEIR FAITH AT ALL!  It's a sad, sad state of affairs but ignorance is a punishment for sin, which is why all of us who know our Faith have no excuses for not making it to heaven and Our Lord will not be lenient with us at the judgement.  But these new-catholics, as the saying goes: "don't know what they don't know".  V2 has stolen the Faith from all of us, going on 2 generations now.  They may have access to the True Liturgy, which is good, but you can't get to heaven without the True Faith, (the pure, unadulterated Faith) which new-rome hates and undermines continuously.  All the masses in the whole cannot change this.
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Offline Maria Regina

Re: Parish saved from closure through the TLM!
« Reply #7 on: April 05, 2019, 09:59:26 AM »
The fact that Novus Ordo priests celebrate their NO Mass on the same altar and place their NO communion hosts in the same ciborium used by those priests who are celebrating the TLM should raise huge questions.

Why is there a deliberate co-mingling of communion hosts so that no one knows for sure if they are truly receiving communion? The doubt raised caused me to stop receiving communion at the diocesan TLM and to cease going there.

The priest who served the TLM rushed through the service, which became a huge distraction. Often, he would not even serve, but would ask another priest to serve a NO mass in its place. Thus, the parishioners never knew if there would be a TLM that Sunday. Cardinal Mahony knew this and allowed this abuse to continue as these Latin Masses generated a lot of revenue. If the revenue stopped, then the Cardinal discontinued using that chapel for the Latin Mass. No money, no mass.

Doesn't the co-mingling of hosts cause doubt and lead to lack of faith?

And what about those priests who celebrate the TLM? Are they validly ordained?

Lord have mercy.
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Offline Stanley N

Re: Parish saved from closure through the TLM!
« Reply #8 on: April 05, 2019, 02:49:56 PM »
Quote from: Maria Regina on April 05, 2019, 09:59:26 AM
The fact that Novus Ordo priests celebrate their NO Mass on the same altar and place their NO communion hosts in the same ciborium used by those priests who are celebrating the TLM should raise huge questions.
People I have known who go to diocesan-approved TLMs have said that the priests who offer these Masses in otherwise NO churches do regularly consecrate hosts for distribution at that TLM.
A reason might be that, to my understanding, it is normal in the NO to try to give communion with hosts consecrated at that Mass, at least on Sundays, and the hosts not distributed on Sunday are retained and used at weekday Masses. It would seem natural for diocesan priests who offer diocesan-approved TLMs to do likewise. 
Additionally, a substantial segment of traditionaliists do not have doubts about NO Masses and ordination rites. Those who do have such general doubts wouldn't likely go to a diocesan TLM anyway.
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Offline JezusDeKoning

Re: Parish saved from closure through the TLM!
« Reply #9 on: April 05, 2019, 03:17:21 PM »
Quote from: Pax Vobis on April 05, 2019, 09:29:34 AM
Absolutely agree 1,000%!  New-churchers think that if everyone went to the TLM in all the dioceses, then everything would be hunky-dory.  Far from it.  Any good derived from the TLM by the laity is still off-set and undermined by the heresies and lies still promoted by the local Bishops and priests (and Cardinals) everywhere.  Take for example, DC, where +Francis just named an openly-pro-gαy Bishop there.  What good does it do that area when there are TLMs offered, but the Bishop promotes anti-catholic "gαy friendly" masses, attends pride marches, allows or turns his head when divorced catholics receive communion, etc, etc?

On the whole, sure, it's a great thing to see catholics attend the True Liturgy, instead of the abomination that is the new mass, but if they still are being taught errors and heresies (i.e. NFP, V2's almost-universal salvation, V2's false religious liberty, V2's false ecuмenism, annullments on-demand, scandalous dress at mass, lack of reverence in church, gαy-friendly and socialistic agendas in the schools, etc, etc, etc.  I could write a book about the errors that poor, new-catholics are taught.) does that teach them catholic truths, which they lack and need?  No.  NEW CATHOLICS DON'T KNOW THEIR FAITH AT ALL!  It's a sad, sad state of affairs but ignorance is a punishment for sin, which is why all of us who know our Faith have no excuses for not making it to heaven and Our Lord will not be lenient with us at the judgement.  But these new-catholics, as the saying goes: "don't know what they don't know".  V2 has stolen the Faith from all of us, going on 2 generations now.  They may have access to the True Liturgy, which is good, but you can't get to heaven without the True Faith, (the pure, unadulterated Faith) which new-rome hates and undermines continuously.  All the masses in the whole cannot change this.
If this Sunday, you had the Latin Mass back in every parish, nothing would change. In fact, you'd probably end up with a system like the Anglicans, where the very Catholic-looking Anglican parishes are also the most pro-gαy.

Actually, the closer they get to Catholic practice, where some will say the Tridentine Mass rubric by rubric in the Queen's English, the worse they are. That's why so many have left, as an aside.
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