Author Topic: Papal Imposters? (Read 5466 times)

Marlelar · « **on:** December 25, 2012, 10:22:57 AM »

Has anyone watched the series on youtube entitled "Papal Imposters"? It is in 12 short segments. I'm wondering how valid his sources are.

Marsha

PartyIsOver221 · « **Reply #1 on:** December 25, 2012, 11:54:31 AM »

I've seen it and its pretty good. I think a particular member here 'Thursday' can enlighten you more about it :)

Nishant · « **Reply #2 on:** December 26, 2012, 04:25:56 PM »

If I remember correctly, it essentially repeats the "Siri thesis" - the claim that Cardinal Siri was elected Pope. The theory has its adherents, but most people give up on it when they find it runs into a dead end.

Leaving aside whether His Eminence may ever have been so elected, it seems clear from his later statements that if he was, he freely stepped down. He calls the other Popes the Vicar of Christ, says explicitly that Christ gave them the Keys at the moment of their election and many like statements.

But the insurmountable theological difficulty with this theory in my view is well expressed by Fr.Boulet of the SSPX - that Cardinals in pectore are not and cannot function as Cardinals.

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Now, the kick: let us imagine that I am totally wrong, and that, indeed, Cardinal Siri was the real pope that came out of the 1958 and/or 1963 conclaves. Let's go even further: imagine for a moment that 'Pope Siri' secretly appointed cardinals, to be able to provide for a successor after his death. Such secretly appointed cardinals would be called cardinals in pectore (close to the heart). It happened a number of times in the history of the Church that popes appointed cardinals in pectore. For different reasons, the popes didn't want to make public their names at least for a while ...

There is a rule which says that the name of any cardinal appointed in pectore had to be made public by the pope who appointed him. Thus, all cardinals appointed secretly whose name had not been revealed before the death of the pope who nominated them would automatically lose their title. 22 ... Consequently, any and every 'cardinal' that was appointed secretly by 'Pope Siri' lost their title in 1989, upon the death of Cardinal Siri, and automatically lost their right to participate in the election of 'Pope Siri's' successor

Interestingly enough, the priests of the ICK have a certain link to Cardinal Siri - both its founders received their priestly formation under him - and has prominent missions in Africa. Wonder if Sirianists would think they had Papal authority on that basis! More seriously though, I think that shows his traditional orientation, though perhaps not in the way those who claim he was Pope imagine. His Eminence also wrote an excellent book (posted on the forum library here against modernist new theology.

roscoe · « **Reply #3 on:** December 26, 2012, 08:27:36 PM »

I watched the first 4 pts so far. It seems like a Dimonds production and as such there are a few errors: 1-- Rampolla was in the OTO[ complete with a pic of Benedict XV(15?) as Rampolla], 2-- Popes Clement XIII & XIV were murdered by Jesuits. Neither was murdered at all.

It is interesting to consider whether Pius XII was poisoned though. Maybe someone knows a book describing his last days & illness. :detective:

It is up to a future Council to decide if the Siri thesis is a dead end-- he took a name and that indicates he accepted. This and the endorsement of Pius XII adds up to quite a bit.

drivocek · « **Reply #4 on:** January 01, 2013, 08:21:06 PM »

Note attached video at 1:40 the evil emitting from the face of PJII.

Quantum Potes, Tantum Aude!

Editha · « **Reply #5 on:** January 02, 2013, 03:24:56 AM »

The Siri Thesis was put out by a person or people in Houston from what I read in the late 80's. In talking to His Excellency Bishop Pivarunas, he told me he knew of it back then, but it went silent with new information in the early 90's.

Not sure if it is the same people but a website called http://www.todayscatholicworld.com/ says the Successor of Siri was elected on on May 3rd, 1991 and consecrated Russia to the Immaculate Heart on May 13th, 1991. Has anyone seen this before or do know about this? Can you post a link?

Editha · « **Reply #6 on:** January 05, 2013, 03:58:39 AM »

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Can you post a link?

Hey, I found a site http://www.thepopeinred.com/ too. It links with the other website and must be the same people or something. It also claims if I understand this right, there is a living pope? Where do they get this information? Interesting. here is when this alleged pope was elected.

1. May 2, 1991 In Rome, two years to-the-date of Gregory XVII's death, his Cardinals celebrated a Requiem Mass for him; and proceeded to hold a Conclave
2. May 3, 1991 A new Pontiff was elected and chose the name Gregorius XVIII (The 262nd Successor of St. Peter)
3. May 13, 1991 Gregorius XVIII consecrated Russia, by name, to the Immaculate Heart, in union with all of the Bishops of the world
4. May 14, 1991 Gregorius XVIII held Conference with his Cardinals and left Rome in exile, per God's Will

TCW (Summary): His Holiness Gregorius XVIII (Gregory XVIII) was elected pope in Rome in a secret conclave. The Holy Father's first act as pontiff was to consecrate Russia by name to the Immaculate Heart, in union with all the Bishops of the world (i.e. Catholic Bishops: those with canonical mission [*jurisdiction] from him), in as public a ceremony as prudence permitted. Following this momentous event, he gave council to his Cardinals and left Rome in exile, in obedience to the Divine Will.

Where is the docuмentation and how come other people don't know this if it happened more than 20 years ago?

Thursday · « **Reply #7 on:** January 05, 2013, 07:03:59 AM »

The series is accurate enough to show that the Catholic Church has been highjacked. There are some debatable points ie Rampolla was a member of the OTO and the alleged murders of Pope Clement XIII and XIV. The reason Rampolla was mentioned was because he was best friends with Roncalli's mentor Bishop Radini Tedesci and to show how far the infiltration had already reached in 1903. Clement XIII and XIV both died under very mysterious circuмstances, John Coleman gives a lot of details in his book Diplomacy by Deception and he arrives at the conclusion that they were αssαssιnαtҽd. The reason that short segment on poison and assassination was included was because 3 cardinals died within the space of 16 days prior to the Conclave. Obviously the best way to get rid of an old cardinal is to poison him because he's old anyway and nobody will suspect anything much less try to prove something.

The film is meant to be taken on the whole so don't get caught up with minor details.

Editha · « **Reply #8 on:** January 06, 2013, 01:43:40 AM »

Thursday, I just saw this YouTube clip you entitled, "Bishop Williamson talks about Cardinal Siri".

When was this taken, as he praises Cardinal Siri and says he very possibly was elected pope? Then recently in some article he did not echo similar sentiments. Since the Cardinal died in 1989 what information caused him to flip-flop? The date of this video lecture is important. Thanks.

Thursday · « **Reply #9 on:** January 06, 2013, 03:03:45 AM »

Quote from: Editha

Thursday, I just saw this YouTube clip you entitled, "Bishop Williamson talks about Cardinal Siri".

When was this taken, as he praises Cardinal Siri and says he very possibly was elected pope? Then recently in some article he did not echo similar sentiments. Since the Cardinal died in 1989 what information caused him to flip-flop? The date of this video lecture is important. Thanks.

I don't recall exactly but it was around June I think. Before he was expelled. It sounds like the bishop is echoing some of the things that Malachi Martin said. Then as you say he released a commentary entitled Siri Sarto which was largely critical of Siri for not taking more of a public stand.

Editha · « **Reply #10 on:** January 06, 2013, 08:25:35 AM »

Thanks Thursday for the date on that.

Sigismund · « **Reply #11 on:** January 06, 2013, 02:03:23 PM »

Quote from: drivocek

Note attached video at 1:40 the evil emitting from the face of PJII.

Quantum Potes, Tantum Aude!

The video very conveniently cuts way. The pope could have been about to sneeze. I am not trying to be flippant here. That is what it looked like to me.

Alex117 · « **Reply #12 on:** January 06, 2013, 02:20:47 PM »

Quote from: Sigismund

Quote from: drivocek
Note attached video at 1:40 the evil emitting from the face of PJII.

Quantum Potes, Tantum Aude!

The video very conveniently cuts way. The pope could have been about to sneeze. I am not trying to be flippant here. That is what it looked like to me.

In my opinion, I think the Pope was probably sitting in that chair for awhile and tried to crack a smile at a bishop/cardinal/person, but oldness, boredom, and exhaustion was also present in his face. I don't think he had on his mind torturing children or other evil acts which would make him smile in such a manner.

roscoe · « **Reply #13 on:** January 06, 2013, 04:10:31 PM »

Quote from: Thursday

The series is accurate enough to show that the Catholic Church has been highjacked. There are some debatable points ie Rampolla was a member of the OTO and the alleged murders of Pope Clement XIII and XIV. The reason Rampolla was mentioned was because he was best friends with Roncalli's mentor Bishop Radini Tedesci and to show how far the infiltration had already reached in 1903. Clement XIII and XIV both died under very mysterious circuмstances, John Coleman gives a lot of details in his book Diplomacy by Deception and he arrives at the conclusion that they were αssαssιnαtҽd. The reason that short segment on poison and assassination was included was because 3 cardinals died within the space of 16 days prior to the Conclave. Obviously the best way to get rid of an old cardinal is to poison him because he's old anyway and nobody will suspect anything much less try to prove something.

The film is meant to be taken on the whole so don't get caught up with minor details.

I don't know alot about Radini Tedesci but I do know that he was not Rampolla's 'best friend'.

Neither Clement XIII or XIV died under 'very mysterious circuмstances'.

It appears that Thurs has given up on the Rampolla was a 'secret occult mason in the OTO' scam. :sign-surrender: