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Offline SeanJohnson

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PAFL Promoting Contraception?
« on: July 06, 2022, 08:31:14 AM »
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  • Official: Vatican Justifies Contraception



    If "practical circuмstances" make “the choice to generate irresponsible”, one may resort to contraceptive techniques, Prelate [color=var(--link-fg, #1a73e8)]Gilfredo Marengo[/iurl]writes in Theological Ethics of Life, a book collecting talks giving at a conference organised by the Pontifical Academy "for Life" and published July 1 by the Libreria Editrice Vaticana, the Vatican's official publishing house.

    Lima's Pachamama-Archbishop [color=var(--link-fg, #1a73e8)]Carlos Castillo[/color] writes in his contribution that “it is not healthy for mankind to always have 'swords of Damocles,' threatening damnation, whenever norms are neglected” referring to artificial methods of contraception, not to the Roman Rite which Francis tries to damn.

    Contraception propagandist [color=var(--link-fg, #1a73e8)]Father Maurizio Chiodi[/color] proposes an “openness” to “medically assisted procreation” [artificial insemination] for married couples while [still] excluding surrogacy.

    The Academy’s head, Archbishop Vincenzo Paglia, told VaticanNews.va (June 30) that the book is opening a "dialogue" between different "opinions." Why is the Vatican not "open" for a "dialogue" regarding the failures of Vatican II, the superiority of the Roman Rite and the need of conversion?

    Paglia added that Francis was informed of every step and encouraged the project.

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    Re: PAFL Promoting Contraception?
    « Reply #1 on: July 06, 2022, 08:36:48 AM »
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  • So, the same Academy which sold the SSPX on the notion that abortive “vaccines” could be morally licit under certain circuмstances )which, per the CDF docuмent Dignitas Personae never arose, by the way), is now holding conferences in which speakers are making the same argument with regard to contraception.

    Given that Fr. LaRue and the SSPX have been forming priests to believe that it is no longer practical for families to have more than 5 children, Will the SSPX quietly again follow suit?
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    Re: PAFL Promoting Contraception?
    « Reply #2 on: July 06, 2022, 09:49:20 AM »
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  • I haven't gone to the original link but he refers to "contraceptive techniques" ... which I could see being a reference to NFP rather than to actual artificial contraceptives.  In that case, at least he's being honest that NFP is in fact a Catholic contraceptive ... as I have referred to it before.

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    Re: PAFL Promoting Contraception?
    « Reply #3 on: July 06, 2022, 09:50:09 AM »
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  • ... Fr. LaRue and the SSPX have been forming priests to believe that it is no longer practical for families to have more than 5 children ...

    Seriously?

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    Re: PAFL Promoting Contraception?
    « Reply #4 on: July 06, 2022, 10:02:21 AM »
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  • The only circuмstances I can think of, where one might even remotely be able to justify it, is if a woman is married to a brute of a man, who insists upon an unjust fulfillment of the "marriage debt" --- let's say they already have six children, he spends up his paycheck on gambling and booze, and comes home drunk and libidinous (assuming both things can coexist) and insisting on sex --- and she is not able to resist without grave harm (or worse) coming to her and her family.  In essence, she is being raped, and both the husband and his seed are unjust aggressors.  I welcome responses, and in any event, I submit myself to the traditional teachings of the Church on this matter, assuming such a casuistry has ever been done.

    Failing this, then both the wife and the husband have free will, and nobody ever has to have sex, otherwise, it's a species of rape, as I noted above.  They don't have to, they just want to, but they don't want the consequences.  IOW, they want to use each other to masturbate.  (What else would you call it?)

    And contraceptives fail.  What then?

    Nobody ever got pregnant by practicing abstinence.


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    Re: PAFL Promoting Contraception?
    « Reply #5 on: July 06, 2022, 11:01:47 AM »
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  • Seriously?

    This thread regards mostly Fr. Couture, but also others.  You can find a dozen other threads on CI:

    https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/sspx-expanding-nfp/15/
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    Re: PAFL Promoting Contraception?
    « Reply #6 on: July 06, 2022, 04:04:33 PM »
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  • This thread regards mostly Fr. Couture, but also others.  You can find a dozen other threads on CI:

    https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/sspx-expanding-nfp/15/

    I just re-watched his comments, must have slipped my mind.  They are caving to the Modern world on this as they have in so many other areas.  Maybe when he was speaking about younger generations of priests being not as strong as the older ones, he really meant that they weren't as strong in the faith.

    I love how he blamed inconsiderate husbands/fathers and cited one example, of the man who worked 2 jobs, from 6AM to 12AM as being "selfish".  I'm sure he enjoyed working those long hours.  Wife just abandoned the family because of "nervous breakdown".  I've seen more and more women in GENERAL becoming increasingly filled with anxiety and it has nothing to do with the number of children, but rather with what society has become.  Plenty of single women without children are nervous and depressed basket cases.  In any event, what number would have prevented this woman from having the break-down, instead of 13, maybe 12?, how about 10?, or would it be 3, where 10 of those children should have been eliminated?  He also pretends that loss of faith is somehow exclusive to large families.  I've seen more of that, quite frankly, in the smaller families, with 1 or 2 children, than in the larger ones.  So his example is completely anecdotal and unscientific.

    That's aside from the "contraceptive mentality" he's pushing ... which, despite what he insinuated, was rejected by Archbishop Lefebvre.  Formal intent is the same whether you use artificial or natural contraception.  I love how it's contraception only when "artificial" but gets euphemized into "family planning" (an active of virtue and prudence) when it's "natural".  In both cases, the intent is the same, to be able to have marital relations while positively excluding the primary end of those relations.

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    Re: PAFL Promoting Contraception?
    « Reply #7 on: July 06, 2022, 05:31:12 PM »
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  • Wife just abandoned the family because of "nervous breakdown".  I've seen more and more women in GENERAL becoming increasingly filled with anxiety and it has nothing to do with the number of children, but rather with what society has become.  Plenty of single women without children are nervous and depressed basket cases.  In any event, what number would have prevented this woman from having the break-down
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    I have to wonder if this priest has ever even been to a trad chapel. It only takes a couple of weeks in any trad chapel in existence to figure out that the more children a mother has, the more happy, content, emotionally balanced, and generally competent she is. On the contrary, the women who are neurotic, have emotional disorders, or are morally lax are the ones who have 2-3 children.

    Anyone can see this in any trad family, about 99% of the time. The same is true about the children. The more children a family has, the better people those children are, and the reverse is true. This again can easily be observed just about everywhere.

    And I don't think this is a coincidence. Of course someone who is living their vocation in the right spirit is going to be more well-adjusted than someone who sees their vocation in life as an unpleasant burden they're trying to avoid as much as possible.


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    Re: PAFL Promoting Contraception?
    « Reply #8 on: July 06, 2022, 05:41:29 PM »
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  • No surprise. Bergoglio's Vatican is Lutheran at best.

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    Re: PAFL Promoting Contraception?
    « Reply #9 on: July 06, 2022, 05:45:04 PM »
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  • No surprise. Bergoglio's Vatican is Lutheran at best.
    Probably an insult to Lutheranism. :cowboy:
    Patience is a conquering virtue. The learned say that, if it not desert you, It vanquishes what force can never reach; Why answer back at every angry speech? No, learn forbearance or, I'll tell you what, You will be taught it, whether you will or not.
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    Re: PAFL Promoting Contraception?
    « Reply #10 on: July 06, 2022, 06:39:30 PM »
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    I have to wonder if this priest has ever even been to a trad chapel. It only takes a couple of weeks in any trad chapel in existence to figure out that the more children a mother has, the more happy, content, emotionally balanced, and generally competent she is. On the contrary, the women who are neurotic, have emotional disorders, or are morally lax are the ones who have 2-3 children.

    Anyone can see this in any trad family, about 99% of the time. The same is true about the children. The more children a family has, the better people those children are, and the reverse is true. This again can easily be observed just about everywhere.

    And I don't think this is a coincidence. Of course someone who is living their vocation in the right spirit is going to be more well-adjusted than someone who sees their vocation in life as an unpleasant burden they're trying to avoid as much as possible.

    Right.  He used the one story (totally anecdotal) about the mother of 13 who had a breakdown as if it proved something.  Most of the women I've heard of having breakdowns were not even married.


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    Re: PAFL Promoting Contraception?
    « Reply #11 on: July 06, 2022, 07:28:41 PM »
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  • No surprise. Bergoglio's Vatican is Lutheran at best.

    Nailed it!

    I can see as clearly as a bell what PF is trying to do.  He is trying to decouple sin from salvation, to suggest that we can be saved regardless of what we do, regardless of what kinds of sins we commit.  Pure Lutheran salvation by grace alone through faith.  Heresy.

    Again, trying to create a third category of sin, "grave but not mortal", which would take in all of the illicit cohabitation, contraception, ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ activity, pretty much the whole laundry list of the sins modern man wants to commit without resolving to stop them.  In that paradigm, those who sin "gravely but not mortally" can, do, and even should receive communion, under the rubric of "needing to be healed".  Ditto for pro-abortion politicians.

    Not my religion.  I reject that out of hand.

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    Re: PAFL Promoting Contraception?
    « Reply #12 on: July 06, 2022, 07:29:02 PM »
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  • Probably an insult to Lutheranism. :cowboy:

    That too.

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    Re: PAFL Promoting Contraception?
    « Reply #13 on: July 07, 2022, 08:36:50 PM »
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  • So would this be tantamount to the Church dropping its prohibition on contraception since it comes from the Vatican? 
    Luke 1:41 -- And it came to pass, that when Elizabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the infant leaped in her womb. And Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost.

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    Re: PAFL Promoting Contraception?
    « Reply #14 on: July 07, 2022, 09:10:33 PM »
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  • So would this be tantamount to the Vatican dropping its prohibition on contraception since it comes from them?
    Rephrased.
    Luke 1:41 -- And it came to pass, that when Elizabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the infant leaped in her womb. And Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost.