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Padre Pio writes to Pope Paul VI.
« on: January 16, 2012, 05:12:06 AM »
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  • I wonder what those who reject Pope Paul VI, but accept Padre Pio as being of eminent sanctity, think of the following letter,reproduced by EWTN?

    Your Holiness,  

    I unite myself with my brothers and present at your feet my affectionate respect, all my devotion to your august person in an act of faith, love and obedience to the dignity of him whom you are representing on this earth. The Capuchin Order has always been in the first line in love, fidelity, obedience and devotion to the Holy See; I pray to God that it may remain thus and continue in its tradition of religious seriousness and austerity, evangelical poverty and faithful observance of the Rule and Constitution, certainly renewing itself in the vitality and in the inner spirit, according to the guides of the Second Vatican Council, in order to be always ready to attend to the necessities of Mother Church under the rule of your Holiness.

    I know that your heart is suffering much these days in the interest of the Church, for the peace of the world, for the innumerable necessities of the people of the world, but above all, for the lack of obedience of some, even Catholics, to the high teaching that you, assisted by the Holy Spirit and in the name of God, are giving us. I offer you my prayers and daily sufferings as a small but sincere contribution on the part of the least of your sons in order that God may give you comfort with his Grace to follow the straight and painful way in the defense of eternal truth, which never changes with the passing of the years. Also, in the name of my spiritual children and the Prayer Groups, I thank you for your clear and decisive words that you especially pronounced in the last encyclical "Humanae Vitae"; and I reaffirm my faith, my unconditional obedience to your illuminated directions.

    May God grant victory to the truth, peace to his Church, tranquility to the world, health and prosperity to your Holiness so that, once these fleeting doubts are dissipated, the Kingdom of God may triumph in all hearts, guided by your apostolic work as Supreme Pastor of all Christianity.

    Prostrate at your feet, I beg you to bless me in the company of my brothers in religion, my spiritual children, the Prayer Groups, my sick ones and also to bless all our good endeavours which we are trying to fulfill under your protection in the name of Jesus.

    Humbly yours,          

    P. Pio, Capuchin    
    "Never will anyone who says his Rosary every day become a formal heretic ... This is a statement I would sign in my blood." St. Montfort, Secret of the Rosary. I support the FSSP, the SSPX and other priests who work for the restoration of doctrinal orthodoxy and liturgical orthopraxis in the Church. I accept Vatican II if interpreted in the light of Tradition and canonisations as an infallible declaration that a person is in Heaven. Sedevacantism is schismatic and Ecclesiavacantism is heretical.


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    Padre Pio writes to Pope Paul VI.
    « Reply #1 on: January 16, 2012, 06:13:33 AM »
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    Father Luigi Villa

    Ordained in 1942, Fr Villa became a respected preacher and lecturer. He was particularly detested by Mussolini's Fascist government for his positive influence on the Italian youth. As a result he lived out the war with an official death sentence hanging over his head; though it did not deter him from saving 57 Jєωs in several escapades at further risk of his life.

    But the indefatigable Fr Villa was clearly called by God for one major task: "to tear away the mask from Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ, and to let it be seen as it really is" [Leo XIII, Humanum Genus, 1884].He has done so with the express encouragement of St. Padre Pio. As his collaborator of twenty years, Dr Franco Adessa, reveals in his short biography Who is Father Luigi Villa?, during two meetings in 1956 and 1963, Padre Pio told him to dedicate his entire life to defend the Church of Christ from the work of Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ, especially the ecclesiastical variety. At the second meeting the saint embraced Fr Villa and said: "Courage, courage, courage! For the Church is already invaded by Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ." He added that "Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ has already reached the Pope's slippers [i.e. Paul VI]."

    In other words, Fr Villa is not a "loose canon" with a deluded mission to save the Church from a phantom enemy. He had never planned to meet Padre Pio and certainly had no idea how to go about undertaking such a monumental and dangerous task. It was the great Saint himself who, in 1956, kicked-started the venture by sending Fr Villa to the Bishop of Chieti. Perplexed, the Bishop went to Rome "for a clarification" on how to proceed. The idea of a simple priest pursuing this task was immediately opposed. But the Secretary of State, Cardinal Tardini, being told that Padre Pio had initiated the project, said he would talk with the Holy Father. Subsequently, Pius XII approved the mission on two conditions: Father Villa had to have a degree in dogmatic theology, and he was to be placed under the direction of Cardinal Ottaviani, Prefect of the Holy Office, Cardinal Parente and Cardinal Palazzini. These had to guide him and instruct him in the secrets of the Church relevant to his papal mandate.

    Fr. Villa duly undertook his studies and graduated from the Lateran University in 1971. At the same time he operated as a secret agent for Cardinal Ottaviani, responsible for docuмenting the Lodge membership of senior clerics and dealing with delicate ecclesial questions. He became connected with police headquarters and their special investigative and operational units. It was perilous work and there are numerous docuмented attempts on his life. To this day he has not a single tooth in his mouth owing to a punch to the face he once collected while waiting near a Masonic lodge in Paris to collect docuмentation attesting to the Lodge membership of Cardinal Achille Liénart (of Vatican II infamy). A young man suddenly ran at Fr Villa and hit him, shouting: "There is a devil on this earth!" He regained consciousness in a pharmacy with his mouth full of blood, a broken jaw, and no teeth.

    As with the Fascists, however, he was also despised by liberal ecclesiastics for his many proposed initiatives for increasing priestly vocations (he personally found 50 vocations, all of whom are missionary priests today), as well as for assisting orthodox formation in the seminaries and missionary institutes. He was obstructed at every turn and it became clear that "he was no longer permitted to make any steps, realize any idea, or start any project aimed to defend the Catholic faith."

    We might say, therefore, that the 'target' on Fr. Villa's back was merely enlarged when he established his magazine Chiesa Viva, via which he has relentlessly pursued the mission entrusted to him by Padre Pio and Pius XII, of exposing the enemy within and helping Holy Mother Church unbind herself from the compromising entanglements of ecclesiastical Masonry. It was precisely because he wished to remain free to pursue this mission that he rejected numerous offers from friends, and even enemies, related to his vocation/formation activities. These included several "donations" of villas and huge sums of money, as well as schools and the offer of a Benedictine convent in Genoa (by Cardinal Siri).

    "He had already foreseen the storm that was destroying the Church," writes Dr Adessa, "and therefore preferred to stay poor. He did not want to be linked and involved in economic and financial issues." For the same reason, "he said 'no' to two wealthy Americans who offered him billions [of lira]" to hand over Chiesa Viva. (It speaks additional volumes for the quality and fearless independence of the magazine that its Deputy Director, from 1971 until his death in 1977, was the great Dietrich von Hildebrand, a man "Paul VI knew but also feared.")

    Fr Villa was always well received in the Vatican under Pius XII, dining regularly with cardinals and bishops. For the obvious reasons articulated in his ensuing book extract, however, everything changed under Paul VI. He became persona non grata. The persecution commenced, with orders passed down from the top to isolate him. The Masonic Pro-Secretary of State, Archbishop Benelli, led the way, telling his staff in meetings: "We need to silence that Father Villa!" When it was objected that, rather, they must prove him wrong, an irritated Benelli replied: "Well, then ignore him and make him ignored."

    Thereafter it never stopped: legal threats, death threats, late night phone calls involving insults and profanity to demoralise him. Lukewarm, robotic clergy acquiesced in the slander. Fr Villa became "lazy," "crazy," "fascist," "anti-Semitic," "outside the Church," "heretic," "a priest of extreme conservative tendencies and pre-conciliar," "a destroyer of Charity opening the way of defamation," "spewer of arrogance as he believes he is the proud bearer of the truth," and most recently, "author of libel," and "worthy of any punitive measures," which "were not carried out so as not to humiliate a ninety-two-year-old priest."

    But he never flinched and Chiesa Viva survived to continue its truth-telling. In 1991, for example, the most powerful man in the Vatican at the time, Cardinal Ruini, did not take kindly to

    Fr Villa's "Heresies in the Neo-Catechumenal Way"; a compilation of Chiesa Viva articles denouncing 18 heresies of the Movement that Ruini himself officially protected.

    There is much more of great interest to be said about the life and times of Fr Luigi Villa. But the essential point is that his credibility is beyond question. The violent neo-Modernist campaign waged against him and his literary apostolate merely strengthens the docuмented veracity of his charges, and points to the impeccable source and foundation of his mission. Thus, when he verifies other credible accusations of Paul VI's ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity, for instance, we can believe him. Dr Adessa writes:

    Father Villa was aware of the fact that Cardinal Pietro Palazzini had sent a letter to the Postulator for the "cause of the beatification" of Paul VI that contained the names of the last ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ lovers of Paul VI. Cardinal Palazzini was an authority in this field, because the Cardinal held two binders of docuмents that demonstrated, unequivocally, the impure and unnatural vice of Paul VI.
    Then, Father Villa wrote a letter to the Postulator, referring to what he had known from Cardinal Palazzini.

    This ties in to Paul's Masonic and Communistic proclivities, comprehensively docuмented by Fr Villa, since the ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ Collective (aka Lavender Mafia), like Communism, is just a tool and subset of the Lodge. It is also vital to understanding the otherwise perplexing accommodation of sodomites within the Church since the Council [CO passim]. Those who close their eyes, shut their ears and say it is "impossible" to believe, act as if Pope Alexander VI and his sɛҳuąƖly voracious Borgia clan never fouled the Vatican palace with their mistresses and illegitimate progeny! They need to wake up, smell the bitter post-conciliar coffee – and then grow up [1 Cor. 13:11 ]. The good of the Church demands it!
    In sum: Fr Villa is a priest of the old school – faithful, obedient, pious, trustworthy, selfless, diligent, virtuous, brave, and (crucially) poor. He represents the antithesis of those twentieth-century clerics condemned as reprobate by Our Lady and Our Lord at Quito. Let us briefly consider the stunning contrast with one local exemplar of that ill-fated clerical breed.


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    Padre Pio writes to Pope Paul VI.
    « Reply #2 on: January 19, 2012, 07:22:41 AM »
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  • Roman Catholic,

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    What about this?


    Well, I've seen that quote from the Padre before, but for some reasons, I hardly think that makes a case for sedevacantism. For one thing, if Padre Pio really believed Pope Paul VI was a Freemason, wouldn't he have been the first to proclaim to the world, that he wasn't a real Pope? On the contrary, everything in his letter seems to suggest he had a filial devotion to the reigning Pope and even that he gave a nominal assent to the Council without, I would say, a loss in his Catholic Faith.

    As for Fr.Villa, everything he faced can be explained without resorting to the sedevacantist thesis. I myself believe the Church has indeed been infiltrated, but only not that the Pope was a Mason.
    "Never will anyone who says his Rosary every day become a formal heretic ... This is a statement I would sign in my blood." St. Montfort, Secret of the Rosary. I support the FSSP, the SSPX and other priests who work for the restoration of doctrinal orthodoxy and liturgical orthopraxis in the Church. I accept Vatican II if interpreted in the light of Tradition and canonisations as an infallible declaration that a person is in Heaven. Sedevacantism is schismatic and Ecclesiavacantism is heretical.

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    Padre Pio writes to Pope Paul VI.
    « Reply #3 on: January 19, 2012, 08:39:15 AM »
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  • Quote from: Nishant2011
    Roman Catholic,

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    What about this?


    Well, I've seen that quote from the Padre before, but for some reasons, I hardly think that makes a case for sedevacantism. For one thing, if Padre Pio really believed Pope Paul VI was a Freemason, wouldn't he have been the first to proclaim to the world, that he wasn't a real Pope? On the contrary, everything in his letter seems to suggest he had a filial devotion to the reigning Pope and even that he gave a nominal assent to the Council without, I would say, a loss in his Catholic Faith.

    As for Fr.Villa, everything he faced can be explained without resorting to the sedevacantist thesis. I myself believe the Church has indeed been infiltrated, but only not that the Pope was a Mason.


    I did not say that the quote Fr. Villa gave from Padre Pio made the case for sedevacantism. I was just giving some related information.

    Some people believe Montini was Fremason and still was pope. Maybe Padre Pio came to think that after he was informed that Montini was a Freemason.

    Regardless the fact that pious and saintly people mistakenly thought Montini to be a valid pope does not mean that he was.


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    Padre Pio writes to Pope Paul VI.
    « Reply #4 on: March 03, 2013, 06:43:32 PM »
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  • Sorry to bump an old thread, but for the sake of later reference, I think it's important to note that the letter posted by Nishant isn't credible. Here is what someone else had to say:

    "Another set of dubious quotes attributed to Padre Pio are quotes which praise the Second Vatican Council and the encyclical letter Humanae Vitae of Paul VI, which endorsed contraception in the form of Natural Family Planning (for more information, see: Natural Family Planning is Contraception). These dubious quotes come from a Letter to Paul VI which is purported to be written by Padre Pio. There are two versions of the letter. The first version, translated from L'Osservatore Romano, is as follows:


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    Availing myself of Your Holiness' meeting with the Capitular Fathers, I unite myself in spirit with my Brothers, and in a spirit of faith, love and obedience to the greatness of Him whom you represent on earth, offer my respectful homage to Your August Person, humbly kneeling at Your feet.


    The Capuchin Order has always been among the first in their love, fidelity and reverence for the Holy See. I pray the Lord that its members remain ever thus, continuing their tradition of seriousness and religious asceticism evangelical poverty, faithful observance of the Rule and Constitutions, renewing themselves in vigorous living and deep interior spirit—always ready, at the least gesture from Your Holiness, to go forward at once to assist the Church in her needs.


    I know that Your heart suffers much these days on account of the happenings in the Church: for peace in the world, for the great needs of its peoples; but above all, for the lack of obedience of some, even Catholics, to the lofty teachings which You, assisted by the Holy Spirit and in the name of God, have given us. I offer Your Holiness my daily prayers and sufferings, the insignificant but sincere offering of the least of your sons, asking the Lord to comfort you with His grace to continue along the direct yet often burdensome way—in defense of those eternal truths which can never change with the times.


    In the name of my spiritual sons and of the "Praying Groups" I thank Your Holiness for the clear and decisive words You have spoken in the recent encyclical, "Humanae Vitae", and I reaffirm my own faith and my unconditional obedience to Your inspired directives.


    May God grant truth to triumph, and, may pence be given to His Church, tranquility to the people of the earth, and health and prosperity to Your Holiness, so that when these disturbing clouds pass over, the Reign of God may triumph in all hearts, through the Apostolic Works of the Supreme Shepherd of all Christians.


    Prostrate at Your feet, I beg you to bless me, my Brothers in religion, my spiritual sons, the "Praying Groups", all the sick—that we may faithfully fulfill the good works done in the Name of Jesus and under your protection.


    Your Holiness' most humble servant,


    Padre Pio, Capuchin


    San Giovanni Rotondo, 12th September, 1968."


    The second version, which differs from the first one, seems to be an EWTN translation. It is as follows:

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    "Your Holiness,


    I unite myself with my brothers and present at your feet my affectionate respect, all my devotion to your august person in an act of faith, love and obedience to the dignity of him whom you are representing on this earth. The Capuchin Order has always been in the first line in love, fidelity, obedience and devotion to the Holy See; I pray to God that it may remain thus and continue in its tradition of religious seriousness and austerity, evangelical poverty and faithful observance of the Rule and Constitution, certainly renewing itself in the vitality and in the inner spirit, according to the guides of the Second Vatican Council, in order to be always ready to attend to the necessities of Mother Church under the rule of your Holiness.


    I know that your heart is suffering much these days in the interest of the Church, for the peace of the world, for the innumerable necessities of the people of the world, but above all, for the lack of obedience of some, even Catholics, to the high teaching that you, assisted by the Holy Spirit and in the name of God, are giving us. I offer you my prayers and daily sufferings as a small but sincere contribution on the part of the least of your sons in order that God may give you comfort with his Grace to follow the straight and painful way in the defense of eternal truth, which never changes with the passing of the years. Also, in the name of my spiritual children and the Prayer Groups, I thank you for your clear and decisive words that you especially pronounced in the last encyclical "Humanae Vitae"; and I reaffirm my faith, my unconditional obedience to your illuminated directions.


    May God grant victory to the truth, peace to his Church, tranquility to the world, health and prosperity to your Holiness so that, once these fleeting doubts are dissipated, the Kingdom of God may triumph in all hearts, guided by your apostolic work as Supreme Pastor of all Christianity.


    Prostrate at your feet, I beg you to bless me in the company of my brothers in religion, my spiritual children, the Prayer Groups, my sick ones and also to bless all our good endeavours which we are trying to fulfill under your protection in the name of Jesus.


    Humbly yours,            


    P. Pio, Capuchin"


    Interestingly enough, the older version of the letter from L'Osservatore Romano, while it mentions Humanae Vitae, makes no mention of the Second Vatican Council. It seems as though the editor of the second version of the letter, which appears to be EWTN, interpolated this statement to make it seem as though Padre Pio embraced the Second Vatican Council. Yet inconsistently enough, EWTN hosts both versions of the letter on two different parts of their website. Due to the varying versions of the letter, the authentic text of the original letter is needed. This is assuming that there in fact is an original text outside of that which was printed in L'Osservatore Romano. The letter was printed for the public for the first time in the October 10, 1968 edition of L'Osservatore Romano, one month after the letter was said to be written by Padre Pio. If it turns out there is an original text, and if the text turns out to match what was printed in L'Osservatore Romano (or on EWTN), the question still remains: was the letter written by Padre Pio? In all probability, it was not. Padre Pio died only three weeks after the letter was supposedly written by him. During this time, he was bedridden and could not write, but instead dictated his letters to others who wrote for him. There is no telling whether or not those who wrote for him faithfully wrote down what he said, or whether Padre Pio proofread and confirmed the text before it was sent.
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    Padre Pio writes to Pope Paul VI.
    « Reply #5 on: March 03, 2013, 08:35:19 PM »
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  • What is the date on that letter, Nishant?

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    Padre Pio writes to Pope Paul VI.
    « Reply #6 on: March 03, 2013, 08:39:27 PM »
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  • What has happen to Roman Catholic from New Zealand?
    It has been a long time since I read a post by him.

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    Padre Pio writes to Pope Paul VI.
    « Reply #7 on: March 03, 2013, 08:45:32 PM »
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  • I think there is much going on  in all areas to twist the real truth.  Referring to this letter, it seems to me to be another ploy to cause confusion.

    Also when Padre Pio was dying, he warned to not believe that he will be incorruptible.  They ('they') had some sort of agenda.   ---  If anyone has more info on this, would you post it or else pm me on it.

    Also, Padre Pio spoke much against freemasry and that  too has been covered up.


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    Padre Pio writes to Pope Paul VI.
    « Reply #8 on: March 04, 2013, 11:41:44 AM »
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  • Quote from: RomanCatholic1953
    What has happen to Roman Catholic from New Zealand?
    It has been a long time since I read a post by him.


    I'm not sure. I also wonder what happened to him.
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.