Author Topic: Padre pio praises John Paul 11 (Read 4540 times)

Deliveringit · « **Reply #30 on:** September 30, 2011, 05:37:12 PM »

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So do you recognize the canonization of Padre Pio?

Have you seen any person of his caliber since VII?

Sister Lucia,..unless you think she is an imposter

I call her Saint Lucia, since the virgin Mary has already declared to us all at Fatima that Lucia is a Saint.

Maybe a new thread could be created questioning why Rome hasn't canonized her yet, even though God's mother told us all that Lucia is a Saint

PartyIsOver221 · « **Reply #31 on:** October 10, 2011, 07:55:39 PM »

Any one else have more links of quotes or info about JPII and Padre Pio's supposed encounters?

Anna1959 · « **Reply #32 on:** October 10, 2011, 09:08:42 PM »

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How do you all deal with the fact that it was JPII who canonized him?

How can a nefarioous heretic and anti-pope canonize Padre Pio?

The sedes among you have to refuse to accept JPII's canonizations. Therefore you must reject the canonization of Padre Pio.

I reject any and all "canonizations" done by post V2 "popes". That's not to say Padre Pio was not eligible to be a saint, but that will have to wait for normal times.

Notice I never call him "St" Padre Pio?

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #33 on:** October 10, 2011, 09:11:46 PM »

As I stated two weeks ago, Anna, just because someone isn't canonized does not mean they are not a Saint. Canonization means that the Church officially recognizes that person as a Saint. Therefore, it is acceptable to refer to Padre Pio as "St. Padre Pio".

curiouscatholic23 · « **Reply #34 on:** October 10, 2011, 10:57:47 PM »

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As I stated two weeks ago, Anna, just because someone isn't canonized does not mean they are not a Saint. Canonization means that the Church officially recognizes that person as a Saint. Therefore, it is acceptable to refer to Padre Pio as "St. Padre Pio".

No its not acceptable to call Padre Pio a saint if you are sedevacantist. Its fine to worship Padre Pio privately. I do. But to call him "St." Padre Pio is acknowledging an anti-popes jurisdiction which is simply not there.

When a pope cannonizes someone it is an infalliable declaration that_X is in heaven, and that he can be prayed to for intercession. That is serious business, and it is binding on the whole church.

curiouscatholic23 · « **Reply #35 on:** October 10, 2011, 10:59:09 PM »

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As I stated two weeks ago, Anna, just because someone isn't canonized does not mean they are not a Saint. Canonization means that the Church officially recognizes that person as a Saint. Therefore, it is acceptable to refer to Padre Pio as "St. Padre Pio".

No its not acceptable to call Padre Pio a saint if you are sedevacantist. Its fine to worship Padre Pio privately. I do. But to call him "St." Padre Pio is acknowledging an anti-popes jurisdiction which is simply not there.

When a pope cannonizes someone it is an infalliable declaration that_X is in heaven, and that he/she can be prayed to for intercession. That is serious business, and it is binding on the whole church.

When the Vatican II sect cannonizes John Paul II the SSPX theological position will be officially obliterated.

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #36 on:** October 10, 2011, 11:18:48 PM »

I think you mean it's fine to honor him privately.

And I think you missed my point. One does not have to be Canonized to be a Saint.

Raoul76 · « **Reply #37 on:** October 11, 2011, 12:08:48 AM »

Everyone in heaven is a saint... Perhaps not to the degree of the canonized saints.

I always thought it was wrong to pray to those who weren't yet canonized. But I'm pretty sure St. Theresa of Avila wrote somewhere about how her prayers were very effective when she invoked Peter Alcantara, a contemporary and countryman of hers. He wasn't canonized until the late 17th century, about a century after St. Theresa died.

I opened up one of her books the other day and she mentions that St. Peter Alcantara was a saint or saintly, and then she says "I don't think it's going too far to say that." The reason for the interjection is probably that he wasn't officially canonized, but he was considered holy by most people.

The reports of extraordinary miracles involving Padre Pio are too numerous to ignore. You occasionally hear disturbing stories about him like that he praised Lumen Gentium. But what I've learned is never to trust post-VII material about anything.

Yeah, as has been said in this thread, you don't want to fall into that trap of saying "Well, if JPII 'canonized' Padre Pio, there must be some evil plot behind it!" The Modernists mix truth with error; that is how they have been able to keep people frozen as long as they have, because occasionally they say something orthodox and it sucks people back in, thinking that they may have repented or changed or "restored tradition" or whatever; this will go on until the Church is well and truly dead unless God stops it, it's just ridiculous... But it's not so simple as to just believe the exact opposite of whatever JPII says.

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #38 on:** October 11, 2011, 08:52:08 AM »

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Everyone in heaven is a saint... Perhaps not to the degree of the canonized saints.

This is what I was getting at.

As far as praying to people who aren't yet canonized, I've heard of a few miracles hapenning after people pray to Archbishop LeFebvre. If I remember correctly, his relics healed someone. I don't think there's anything wrong with praying to someone who hasn't been canonized, PROVIDED of course, that their holiness is undeniable like Padre Pio's.