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Offline Matthew

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Holy Days - Novus Ordo cluckery
« on: December 07, 2024, 06:46:48 PM »
I skimmed this article, representing the latest on the Holy Days of Obligation. As far as I know, Catholic Answers is a valid source on the latest Novus Ordo rules and doctrine. They are to be criticized for being Conciliar, but that's it. I believe they're a reliable source for things Novus Ordo.

https://www.catholic.com/magazine/online-edition/what-are-the-holy-days-of-obligation

I've never heard of some of these "Holy Days". At the very least, they've renamed some it seems. 

The word that first comes to mind is "cluckery" -- only I might substitute another sound for the "cl" at the beginning.

At the very least this is relevant, because the SSPX, the largest Trad group in the world by far, is going with the Conciliar Church official rules now. They are much more respectful of things Conciliar than they were before 2000.

Re: Holy Days - Novus Ordo cluckery
« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2024, 09:00:21 PM »
https://www.catholic.com/magazine/online-edition/what-are-the-holy-days-of-obligation

I've never heard of some of these "Holy Days". At the very least, they've renamed some it seems.
I'm rather surprised that you've not heard of all of these Holy Days, except for perhaps two which has been renamed.  These were all important Holy Days before VII, though only six are "of obligation" in the United States.  The bishops of each region have some say.  For example, I was born in 1951 and have no recollection of St. Joseph (March 19) being of obligation in the United States, but it was a very important feast (Double of the First Class) and Mass attendance and Holy Communion were encouraged for those able.  When I was in the Peace Corps in Colombia, St. Joseph (March 19) was a Holy Day of Obligation.

Taking the list from the link and using for my reference "My Prayer Book" by Father F. X. Lasance, 1953 edition:

the Nativity of our Lord Jesus Christ, December 25.
Also known as Christmas, this has always been a Holy Day of Obligation.
the Epiphany, January 6.
Fr. Lasance's doesn't list it' of obligation in the United States but of obligation in Canada pre VII.
the Ascension
Forty days after Easter.  In most dioceses in the United it is observed on the Seventh Sunday of Easter rather than the preceding Thursday.
the Body and Blood of Christ
This may be one you don't recognize.  The Feast of Corpus Christi (Thursday after Trinity Sunday) is combined with the Feast of The Most Precious Blood (July 1) and observed on the Thursday after Trinity Sunday in some countries, and on the Sunday after Trinity in the U.S.  Both are Doubles of the First Class on the traditional Calander.
Holy Mary the Mother of God
This would be the second observance whose name you aren't familiar with.  The Circuмcision on January 1 was renamed to this.  The Gospel of the Mass is the same.
her Immaculate Conception
The same, December 8th, and still a day of obligation in the United States.
her Assumption
The same, August 15, and still a day of obligation in the United States.
Saint Joseph, March 19
Was not, and isn't now, a day of obligation in the United States, but is in some countries.
Saint Peter and Saint Paul the Apostles
Observed on June 29, as before.  Not a day of obligation in the United States.
All Saints
A day of obligation in the United States, observed on November 1, as before.

Those who follow a pre VII calendar and missal should recognize all of these names except for Holy Mary the Mother of God and the Body and Blood of Christ.


Offline HeavyHanded

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Re: Holy Days - Novus Ordo cluckery
« Reply #2 on: December 08, 2024, 07:45:13 AM »
What I find strange is they transferred the todays Holy Day of Obligation, the Immaculate Conception, to Monday. The FSSP has followed suit. Why would they do this? They are always transferring Holy Days to Sunday, even Ascension Thursday. 

Re: Holy Days - Novus Ordo cluckery
« Reply #3 on: December 08, 2024, 08:23:21 AM »
I am sure that is because in the NO the feast of the Immaculate Conception does not outrank the second Sunday of Advent so gets transferred to Monday.  The same thing happens for those following the Pius XII rubrics, like CMRI, they will observe the feast tomorrow. 

The ten holydays of obligation for the Universal Church are the same in CIC 1917, Canon 1247 as in CIC 1983, Canon 1246. As noted above the ten are not observed in most countries - except the Vatican State - so in England, for example, St Joseph and the Immaculate Conception have never been days of precept.