Author Topic: Padre Pio accepted Paul VI as a valid pope. (Read 7716 times)

roscoe · « **Reply #50 on:** July 26, 2016, 07:14:19 PM »

Atwater's Catholic Dictionary says that the Fr popes of GWS are not considered anti-popes because of the uncertainty of their status. IOW GWS did not involve heresy or ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs. Pedro De Luna recanted his heresy before the Council adjourned.

Von Pastor explains that a compromise was reached to settle the Council. It was decided that Catholics are free to recognise either the Fr or It popes of GWS. This was because GWS was only political in nature. There was no danger of a Catholic falling into heresy by following either faction.

Sorry but your attempt( which has been tried here at least a few times) to claim that St Vincent Ferrer recognised an anti-pope is a failure. :detective:

roscoe · « **Reply #51 on:** July 26, 2016, 07:41:08 PM »

Possibly I am confusing Benedict XIII with John XXIII( who resigned). :detective:

roscoe · « **Reply #52 on:** July 26, 2016, 11:15:42 PM »

Quote from: An even Seven

Quote from: roscoe
Atwater's Catholic Dictionary says that the Fr popes of GWS are not considered anti-popes because of the uncertainty of their status. IOW GWS did not involve heresy or ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs. Pedro De Luna recanted his heresy before the Council adjourned.

Von Pastor explains that a compromise was reached to settle the Council. It was decided that Catholics are free to recognise either the Fr or It popes of GWS. This was because GWS was only political in nature. There was no danger of a Catholic falling into heresy by following either faction.

Sorry but your attempt( which has been tried here at least a few times) to claim that St Vincent Ferrer recognised an anti-pope is a failure. :detective:

What you are saying does not make sense; that people are free to obstinately follow people that were not validly elected as pope.

You are missing the point. In the end it could not be determined which line of popes was in fact legally elected.

Since neither side was involved in heresy or ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs a compromise was reached. Catholics are free to call either the FR or It line of GWS Popes as true.

This is why Atwells Catholic dictionary says that Fr line of GWS popes are not anti-popes. :detective:

OHCA · « **Reply #53 on:** July 26, 2016, 11:50:42 PM »

Quote from: Pax Vobis

Playing devil's advocate but none of the V2 popes have been formerly declared heretics, per canon law process. At this point, most of their errors, though public, are not considered 'teachings' of the papacy but errors of their 'personal life'.

Related to this, name one error that is 'binding' on anyone, under pain of sin. V2 and the new mass are not binding as are none of the other anti-catholic verbiage being spewed from Rome. It doesn't change the fact that the errors are wrong, but as they are not binding, they are not from the official church, they only appear so. As Our Lady of LaSalette said: "The Church will be in eclipse".

Is the new "mass" binding or not under pain of sin? Aren't we required to attend Mass under pain of sin? The new "mass" is the only show in town within a couple of hundred miles for many people. So those folks who stay home because they can't drive 200 miles every Sunday and Holy Day, aren't they sinning by missing Mass if the new "mass" was promulgated by a valid Pope?

OHCA · « **Reply #54 on:** July 26, 2016, 11:58:37 PM »

Quote from: Pax Vobis

If a person won't convert because of the heretical actions of the pope (or the guy pretending to be one), it shows a superficial understanding of catholicism. The pope is supposed to guard, teach and defend the Faith. When he doesn't, he is ignored, because the Faith is what's important. The pope has never been the 'end all, be all' of our Faith, except in modern times. This pope-centric idealism is an excess like many of the excesses of modernism.

Right--a true Pope is nothing more than the Vicar of Christ. How dare folks have such lofty ideals and not be content just telling the Pope "go stick it" when he's wrong.
#SARCASM

BTW--the term "pope-centric" has very protestantesque ring to it.

And wouldn't it seem that it is the R&Rers who view the Pope as the "'end all, be all' of our Faith?"