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Antipope Benedict XIII was recognized by St. Vincent Ferrer as the Pope for a while during the Great Western Schism.Even a great Saint does not know everything of what is going on at any given point.QuoteCatholic Encyclopedia on St. Vincent Ferrer: "Vincent was one of the most resolute and faithful adherents of Benedict XIII, and by his word, sanctity, and miracles he did much to strengthen Benedict's position. It was not until 1416, when pressed by Ferdinand, King of Aragon, that he abandoned him. On 6 January, preaching at Perpignan, he declared anew to the vast throng gathered around his pulpit that Benedict XIII was the legitimate pope, but that, since he would not resign to bring peace to the Church, Ferdinand had withdrawn his states from the obedience of Avignon. This act must have caused Vincent much sorrow, for he was deeply attached to Benedict." Not that it's ever been suggested but only in my opinion, I would not be surprised if this letter was forged or at least not actually written by Padre Pio.
Catholic Encyclopedia on St. Vincent Ferrer: "Vincent was one of the most resolute and faithful adherents of Benedict XIII, and by his word, sanctity, and miracles he did much to strengthen Benedict's position. It was not until 1416, when pressed by Ferdinand, King of Aragon, that he abandoned him. On 6 January, preaching at Perpignan, he declared anew to the vast throng gathered around his pulpit that Benedict XIII was the legitimate pope, but that, since he would not resign to bring peace to the Church, Ferdinand had withdrawn his states from the obedience of Avignon. This act must have caused Vincent much sorrow, for he was deeply attached to Benedict."
Padre Pio never said the New Order mess.
Quote from: Lover of TruthQuote from: JezusDeKoningQuote from: GeremiaA LETTER FROM PADRE PIO TO POPE PAUL VIA short time before his death, Padre Pio, having In mind the Audience which the Chapter Members of his Order would have in the course of their General Chapter, wrote a letter to Pope Paul. In the letter he expressed his firm adherence to the Magisterium and its teachings, particularly mentioning the recent encyclical, "Humanae Vitae". Padre Pio also expressed his obedience, devotedness and filial sharing in the anxieties of His Holiness. The full text is as follows:Your Holiness:Availing myself of Your Holiness' meeting with the Capitular Fathers, I unite myself in spirit with my Brothers, and in a spirit of faith, love and obedience to the greatness of Him whom you represent on earth, offer my respectful homage to Your August Person, humbly kneeling at Your feet.The Capuchin Order has always been among the first in their love, fidelity and reverence for the Holy See. I pray the Lord that its members remain ever thus, continuing their tradition of seriousness and religious asceticism evangelical poverty, faithful observance of the Rule and Constitutions, renewing themselves in vigorous living and deep interior spirit—always ready, at the least gesture from Your Holiness, to go forward at once to assist the Church in her needs.I know that Your heart suffers much these days on account of the happenings in the Church: for peace in the world, for the great needs of its peoples; but above all, for the lack of obedience of some, even Catholics, to the lofty teachings which You, assisted by the Holy Spirit and in the name of God, have given us. I offer Your Holiness my daily prayers and sufferings, the insignificant but sincere offering of the least of your sons, asking the Lord to comfort you with His grace to continue along the direct yet often burdensome way—in defense of those eternal truths which can never change with the times.In the name of my spiritual sons and of the "Praying Groups" I thank Your Holiness for the clear and decisive words You have spoken in the recent encyclical, "Humanae Vitae", and I reaffirm my own faith and my unconditional obedience to Your inspired directives.May God grant truth to triumph, and, may pence be given to His Church, tranquility to the people of the earth, and health and prosperity to Your Holiness, so that when these disturbing clouds pass over, the Reign of God may triumph in all hearts, through the Apostolic Works of the Supreme Shepherd of all Christians.Prostrate at Your feet, I beg you to bless me, my Brothers in religion, my spiritual sons, the "Praying Groups", all the sick—that we may faithfully fulfill the good works done in the Name of Jesus and under your protection.Your Holiness' most humble servant, PADRE PIO, CapuchinSan Giovanni Rotondo, 12th September, 1968.Taken from:L'Osservatore RomanoWeekly Edition in English10 October 1968, page 9L'Osservatore Romano is the newspaper of the Holy See.The Weekly Edition in English is published for the US by:The Cathedral FoundationL'Osservatore Romano English Edition320 Cathedral St.Baltimore, MD 21201Subscriptions: (410) 547-5315Fax: (410) 332-1069lormail@catholicreview.orgProvided Courtesy of:Eternal Word Television NetworkNot a sedevacantist. But:Padre Pio died in 1968. In 1968, sedevacantism was just Francis Schukardt and his little boondocks, legalistic chapel. It wasn't until the Nine in Ecône where it became a bigger thing.Someone like St. Pio would not have thought of that. To pretty much all but 4 people on Earth in 1968, being anything other than faithful to the Holy See is unthinkable.I just gave you an upthumb. I don't like petty down-thumbs either regardless of what side of the issue it is. I have gotten them for post quotes from encyclicals or theologians.Neither do I, and I'm sure that agreeing with you will earn me a few from our more mature :rolleyes: members.Honestly, I asked the other day, and I will ask again: how old are some of the folks here? Are they mentally retarded?
Quote from: JezusDeKoningQuote from: GeremiaA LETTER FROM PADRE PIO TO POPE PAUL VIA short time before his death, Padre Pio, having In mind the Audience which the Chapter Members of his Order would have in the course of their General Chapter, wrote a letter to Pope Paul. In the letter he expressed his firm adherence to the Magisterium and its teachings, particularly mentioning the recent encyclical, "Humanae Vitae". Padre Pio also expressed his obedience, devotedness and filial sharing in the anxieties of His Holiness. The full text is as follows:Your Holiness:Availing myself of Your Holiness' meeting with the Capitular Fathers, I unite myself in spirit with my Brothers, and in a spirit of faith, love and obedience to the greatness of Him whom you represent on earth, offer my respectful homage to Your August Person, humbly kneeling at Your feet.The Capuchin Order has always been among the first in their love, fidelity and reverence for the Holy See. I pray the Lord that its members remain ever thus, continuing their tradition of seriousness and religious asceticism evangelical poverty, faithful observance of the Rule and Constitutions, renewing themselves in vigorous living and deep interior spirit—always ready, at the least gesture from Your Holiness, to go forward at once to assist the Church in her needs.I know that Your heart suffers much these days on account of the happenings in the Church: for peace in the world, for the great needs of its peoples; but above all, for the lack of obedience of some, even Catholics, to the lofty teachings which You, assisted by the Holy Spirit and in the name of God, have given us. I offer Your Holiness my daily prayers and sufferings, the insignificant but sincere offering of the least of your sons, asking the Lord to comfort you with His grace to continue along the direct yet often burdensome way—in defense of those eternal truths which can never change with the times.In the name of my spiritual sons and of the "Praying Groups" I thank Your Holiness for the clear and decisive words You have spoken in the recent encyclical, "Humanae Vitae", and I reaffirm my own faith and my unconditional obedience to Your inspired directives.May God grant truth to triumph, and, may pence be given to His Church, tranquility to the people of the earth, and health and prosperity to Your Holiness, so that when these disturbing clouds pass over, the Reign of God may triumph in all hearts, through the Apostolic Works of the Supreme Shepherd of all Christians.Prostrate at Your feet, I beg you to bless me, my Brothers in religion, my spiritual sons, the "Praying Groups", all the sick—that we may faithfully fulfill the good works done in the Name of Jesus and under your protection.Your Holiness' most humble servant, PADRE PIO, CapuchinSan Giovanni Rotondo, 12th September, 1968.Taken from:L'Osservatore RomanoWeekly Edition in English10 October 1968, page 9L'Osservatore Romano is the newspaper of the Holy See.The Weekly Edition in English is published for the US by:The Cathedral FoundationL'Osservatore Romano English Edition320 Cathedral St.Baltimore, MD 21201Subscriptions: (410) 547-5315Fax: (410) 332-1069lormail@catholicreview.orgProvided Courtesy of:Eternal Word Television NetworkNot a sedevacantist. But:Padre Pio died in 1968. In 1968, sedevacantism was just Francis Schukardt and his little boondocks, legalistic chapel. It wasn't until the Nine in Ecône where it became a bigger thing.Someone like St. Pio would not have thought of that. To pretty much all but 4 people on Earth in 1968, being anything other than faithful to the Holy See is unthinkable.I just gave you an upthumb. I don't like petty down-thumbs either regardless of what side of the issue it is. I have gotten them for post quotes from encyclicals or theologians.
Quote from: GeremiaA LETTER FROM PADRE PIO TO POPE PAUL VIA short time before his death, Padre Pio, having In mind the Audience which the Chapter Members of his Order would have in the course of their General Chapter, wrote a letter to Pope Paul. In the letter he expressed his firm adherence to the Magisterium and its teachings, particularly mentioning the recent encyclical, "Humanae Vitae". Padre Pio also expressed his obedience, devotedness and filial sharing in the anxieties of His Holiness. The full text is as follows:Your Holiness:Availing myself of Your Holiness' meeting with the Capitular Fathers, I unite myself in spirit with my Brothers, and in a spirit of faith, love and obedience to the greatness of Him whom you represent on earth, offer my respectful homage to Your August Person, humbly kneeling at Your feet.The Capuchin Order has always been among the first in their love, fidelity and reverence for the Holy See. I pray the Lord that its members remain ever thus, continuing their tradition of seriousness and religious asceticism evangelical poverty, faithful observance of the Rule and Constitutions, renewing themselves in vigorous living and deep interior spirit—always ready, at the least gesture from Your Holiness, to go forward at once to assist the Church in her needs.I know that Your heart suffers much these days on account of the happenings in the Church: for peace in the world, for the great needs of its peoples; but above all, for the lack of obedience of some, even Catholics, to the lofty teachings which You, assisted by the Holy Spirit and in the name of God, have given us. I offer Your Holiness my daily prayers and sufferings, the insignificant but sincere offering of the least of your sons, asking the Lord to comfort you with His grace to continue along the direct yet often burdensome way—in defense of those eternal truths which can never change with the times.In the name of my spiritual sons and of the "Praying Groups" I thank Your Holiness for the clear and decisive words You have spoken in the recent encyclical, "Humanae Vitae", and I reaffirm my own faith and my unconditional obedience to Your inspired directives.May God grant truth to triumph, and, may pence be given to His Church, tranquility to the people of the earth, and health and prosperity to Your Holiness, so that when these disturbing clouds pass over, the Reign of God may triumph in all hearts, through the Apostolic Works of the Supreme Shepherd of all Christians.Prostrate at Your feet, I beg you to bless me, my Brothers in religion, my spiritual sons, the "Praying Groups", all the sick—that we may faithfully fulfill the good works done in the Name of Jesus and under your protection.Your Holiness' most humble servant, PADRE PIO, CapuchinSan Giovanni Rotondo, 12th September, 1968.Taken from:L'Osservatore RomanoWeekly Edition in English10 October 1968, page 9L'Osservatore Romano is the newspaper of the Holy See.The Weekly Edition in English is published for the US by:The Cathedral FoundationL'Osservatore Romano English Edition320 Cathedral St.Baltimore, MD 21201Subscriptions: (410) 547-5315Fax: (410) 332-1069lormail@catholicreview.orgProvided Courtesy of:Eternal Word Television NetworkNot a sedevacantist. But:Padre Pio died in 1968. In 1968, sedevacantism was just Francis Schukardt and his little boondocks, legalistic chapel. It wasn't until the Nine in Ecône where it became a bigger thing.Someone like St. Pio would not have thought of that. To pretty much all but 4 people on Earth in 1968, being anything other than faithful to the Holy See is unthinkable.
A LETTER FROM PADRE PIO TO POPE PAUL VIA short time before his death, Padre Pio, having In mind the Audience which the Chapter Members of his Order would have in the course of their General Chapter, wrote a letter to Pope Paul. In the letter he expressed his firm adherence to the Magisterium and its teachings, particularly mentioning the recent encyclical, "Humanae Vitae". Padre Pio also expressed his obedience, devotedness and filial sharing in the anxieties of His Holiness. The full text is as follows:Your Holiness:Availing myself of Your Holiness' meeting with the Capitular Fathers, I unite myself in spirit with my Brothers, and in a spirit of faith, love and obedience to the greatness of Him whom you represent on earth, offer my respectful homage to Your August Person, humbly kneeling at Your feet.The Capuchin Order has always been among the first in their love, fidelity and reverence for the Holy See. I pray the Lord that its members remain ever thus, continuing their tradition of seriousness and religious asceticism evangelical poverty, faithful observance of the Rule and Constitutions, renewing themselves in vigorous living and deep interior spirit—always ready, at the least gesture from Your Holiness, to go forward at once to assist the Church in her needs.I know that Your heart suffers much these days on account of the happenings in the Church: for peace in the world, for the great needs of its peoples; but above all, for the lack of obedience of some, even Catholics, to the lofty teachings which You, assisted by the Holy Spirit and in the name of God, have given us. I offer Your Holiness my daily prayers and sufferings, the insignificant but sincere offering of the least of your sons, asking the Lord to comfort you with His grace to continue along the direct yet often burdensome way—in defense of those eternal truths which can never change with the times.In the name of my spiritual sons and of the "Praying Groups" I thank Your Holiness for the clear and decisive words You have spoken in the recent encyclical, "Humanae Vitae", and I reaffirm my own faith and my unconditional obedience to Your inspired directives.May God grant truth to triumph, and, may pence be given to His Church, tranquility to the people of the earth, and health and prosperity to Your Holiness, so that when these disturbing clouds pass over, the Reign of God may triumph in all hearts, through the Apostolic Works of the Supreme Shepherd of all Christians.Prostrate at Your feet, I beg you to bless me, my Brothers in religion, my spiritual sons, the "Praying Groups", all the sick—that we may faithfully fulfill the good works done in the Name of Jesus and under your protection.Your Holiness' most humble servant, PADRE PIO, CapuchinSan Giovanni Rotondo, 12th September, 1968.Taken from:L'Osservatore RomanoWeekly Edition in English10 October 1968, page 9L'Osservatore Romano is the newspaper of the Holy See.The Weekly Edition in English is published for the US by:The Cathedral FoundationL'Osservatore Romano English Edition320 Cathedral St.Baltimore, MD 21201Subscriptions: (410) 547-5315Fax: (410) 332-1069lormail@catholicreview.orgProvided Courtesy of:Eternal Word Television Network
Quote from: An even SevenAntipope Benedict XIII was recognized by St. Vincent Ferrer as the Pope for a while during the Great Western Schism.Even a great Saint does not know everything of what is going on at any given point.QuoteCatholic Encyclopedia on St. Vincent Ferrer: "Vincent was one of the most resolute and faithful adherents of Benedict XIII, and by his word, sanctity, and miracles he did much to strengthen Benedict's position. It was not until 1416, when pressed by Ferdinand, King of Aragon, that he abandoned him. On 6 January, preaching at Perpignan, he declared anew to the vast throng gathered around his pulpit that Benedict XIII was the legitimate pope, but that, since he would not resign to bring peace to the Church, Ferdinand had withdrawn his states from the obedience of Avignon. This act must have caused Vincent much sorrow, for he was deeply attached to Benedict." Not that it's ever been suggested but only in my opinion, I would not be surprised if this letter was forged or at least not actually written by Padre Pio.Benedict XIII( as well as the rest of Fr popes during GWS) are Not anti-popes....
Quote from: AlexandriaQuote from: Lover of TruthQuote from: JezusDeKoningQuote from: GeremiaA LETTER FROM PADRE PIO TO POPE PAUL VIA short time before his death, Padre Pio, having In mind the Audience which the Chapter Members of his Order would have in the course of their General Chapter, wrote a letter to Pope Paul. In the letter he expressed his firm adherence to the Magisterium and its teachings, particularly mentioning the recent encyclical, "Humanae Vitae". Padre Pio also expressed his obedience, devotedness and filial sharing in the anxieties of His Holiness. The full text is as follows:Your Holiness:Availing myself of Your Holiness' meeting with the Capitular Fathers, I unite myself in spirit with my Brothers, and in a spirit of faith, love and obedience to the greatness of Him whom you represent on earth, offer my respectful homage to Your August Person, humbly kneeling at Your feet.The Capuchin Order has always been among the first in their love, fidelity and reverence for the Holy See. I pray the Lord that its members remain ever thus, continuing their tradition of seriousness and religious asceticism evangelical poverty, faithful observance of the Rule and Constitutions, renewing themselves in vigorous living and deep interior spirit—always ready, at the least gesture from Your Holiness, to go forward at once to assist the Church in her needs.I know that Your heart suffers much these days on account of the happenings in the Church: for peace in the world, for the great needs of its peoples; but above all, for the lack of obedience of some, even Catholics, to the lofty teachings which You, assisted by the Holy Spirit and in the name of God, have given us. I offer Your Holiness my daily prayers and sufferings, the insignificant but sincere offering of the least of your sons, asking the Lord to comfort you with His grace to continue along the direct yet often burdensome way—in defense of those eternal truths which can never change with the times.In the name of my spiritual sons and of the "Praying Groups" I thank Your Holiness for the clear and decisive words You have spoken in the recent encyclical, "Humanae Vitae", and I reaffirm my own faith and my unconditional obedience to Your inspired directives.May God grant truth to triumph, and, may pence be given to His Church, tranquility to the people of the earth, and health and prosperity to Your Holiness, so that when these disturbing clouds pass over, the Reign of God may triumph in all hearts, through the Apostolic Works of the Supreme Shepherd of all Christians.Prostrate at Your feet, I beg you to bless me, my Brothers in religion, my spiritual sons, the "Praying Groups", all the sick—that we may faithfully fulfill the good works done in the Name of Jesus and under your protection.Your Holiness' most humble servant, PADRE PIO, CapuchinSan Giovanni Rotondo, 12th September, 1968.Taken from:L'Osservatore RomanoWeekly Edition in English10 October 1968, page 9L'Osservatore Romano is the newspaper of the Holy See.The Weekly Edition in English is published for the US by:The Cathedral FoundationL'Osservatore Romano English Edition320 Cathedral St.Baltimore, MD 21201Subscriptions: (410) 547-5315Fax: (410) 332-1069lormail@catholicreview.orgProvided Courtesy of:Eternal Word Television NetworkNot a sedevacantist. But:Padre Pio died in 1968. In 1968, sedevacantism was just Francis Schukardt and his little boondocks, legalistic chapel. It wasn't until the Nine in Ecône where it became a bigger thing.Someone like St. Pio would not have thought of that. To pretty much all but 4 people on Earth in 1968, being anything other than faithful to the Holy See is unthinkable.I just gave you an upthumb. I don't like petty down-thumbs either regardless of what side of the issue it is. I have gotten them for post quotes from encyclicals or theologians.Neither do I, and I'm sure that agreeing with you will earn me a few from our more mature :rolleyes: members.Honestly, I asked the other day, and I will ask again: how old are some of the folks here? Are they mentally retarded?You seem like a very pleasant lady. Or at least you would if you were different.