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Traditional Catholic Faith => Crisis in the Church => Topic started by: Matthew on October 21, 2019, 09:13:26 AM
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Apparently there are a few real MEN left who happen to be in Rome.
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https://youtu.be/CngoabjurIo?t=190
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:laugh1:
Although, I'm not sure if I'd want the Tiber polluted with that nonsense. Someone might have to perform an exorcism on the entire river.
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I wonder if these are the actual ones they used for their ceremonies.
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In saner times, Catholics would have stormed the Vatican and thrown Francis into the Tiber alongside his idols.
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One piece of man made pollution I am happy to see floating around in the sea.
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From Ann's website:https://www.barnhardt.biz/2019/10/21/video-yes-pachamama-demons-hurled-into-the-tiber/
UPDATE: Dramatic Music Version now released with this statement from the Dynamic Duo:
This was done for only one reason:
Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, His blessed Mother, and everybody who follows Christ, are being attacked by members of our own Church.
We do not accept this! We do not longer stay silent! We start to act NOW!
Because we love humanity, we can not accept that people of a certain region should not get baptised and therefore are being denied entrance into heaven.
It is our duty to follow the words of God like our holy Mother did.
There is no second way of salvation.
Christus vincit, Christus regnat, Christus imperat!
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From Ann's website:https://www.barnhardt.biz/2019/10/21/video-yes-pachamama-demons-hurled-into-the-tiber/
UPDATE: Dramatic Music Version now released with this statement from the Dynamic Duo:
That’s remarkable courage!
I am very edified.
I suppose now Francis will have new demonic idols installed, placed under guard, and sue these good men into oblivion.
No worries: Next time they come back with an army of 100 men and overwhelm the guards.
If I were there, I would want to join them.
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In saner times, Catholics would have stormed the Vatican and thrown Francis into the Tiber alongside his idols.
THIS ^^^
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People act like this idol worship is something new. Wojtyla pioneered this over 30 years ago. Bergoglio is just a lame copycat.
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https://www.traditioninaction.org/RevolutionPhotos/A430rcAssisi1986.html (https://www.traditioninaction.org/RevolutionPhotos/A430rcAssisi1986.html)
I didn't know that the Assisi church got hit with an earthquake 11 years later.
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Although, I'm not sure if I'd want the Tiber polluted with that nonsense. Someone might have to perform an exorcism on the entire river.
I agree and that's why many years ago, Catholic authorities didn't just throw idols away, they destroyed them.
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People act like this idol worship is something new. Wojtyla pioneered this over 30 years ago. Bergoglio is just a lame copycat.
Yes, there are a bunch of johnny-come-lately Trads who think they've discovered this position. They're all excited, busy about planting their flag but they completely overlook the 50-year-old flag with Archbishop Lefebvre's crest on it, tattered and flapping in the wind...
In a similar vein, there are a bunch of conservatives and almost-Trads who are falling all over themselves to criticize Pope Francis, while completely ignoring the fact that ALL the post-Vatican II popes were on the same page. They totally forget about Assisi, the violation of the First Commandment that that their precious JP2 committed.
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Where do we go to contribute to the legal fund of the idol-chucker?
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A couple of nice videos. One from One Peter Five: https://onepeterfive.com/1p5-minute-ep-13-amazonian-idols-thrown-in-the-tiber/ (https://onepeterfive.com/1p5-minute-ep-13-amazonian-idols-thrown-in-the-tiber/)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2akSNF1_nCE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2akSNF1_nCE)
The other from the people who threw the abominable thing in the river:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfQYHbX38ig (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfQYHbX38ig)
They wrote, "This was done for only one reason:
Our Lord and saviour Jesus Christ, his blessed Mother, and everybody who follows Christ, are being attacked by members of our own Church.
We do not accept this! We do not longer stay silent! We start to act NOW!
Because we love humanity, we can not accept that people of a certain region should not get baptised and therefore are being denied entrance into heaven.
It is our duty to follow the words of God like our holy Mother did.
There is no second way of salvation.
Christus vincit, Christus regnat, Christus imperat!"
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In a similar vein, there are a bunch of conservatives and almost-Trads who are falling all over themselves to criticize Pope Francis, while completely ignoring the fact that ALL the post-Vatican II popes were on the same page. They totally forget about Assisi, the violation of the First Commandment that that their precious JP2 committed.
Oh no, they haven't forgotten those things. They just don't think they are the same. One such person said that certain of these issues were due to naivete.
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Oh no, they haven't forgotten those things. They just don't think they are the same. One such person said that certain of these issues were due to naivete.
I actually agree with this. They put a different spin on the same activity because they are fooled by the false piety of St. John Paul II the Great.
It's like the Benedictivacantes who believe that Bergoglio is a manifest heretic, but that Ratzinger was somehow not ... even though (by Cardinal Kasper's own admission) their theology is exactly the same. Benedict simply did a better job of pretending to be Catholic. Wojtyla and Ratzinger were very skilled actors and performers.
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Perhaps these gentlemen were Feeneyites (aka Catholics) ... since their statement equated lack of Baptism with lack of entrance into heaven (Catholic dogma that's universally denied these days even, alas, among Traditional Catholics).
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Oh no, they haven't forgotten those things. They just don't think they are the same. One such person said that certain of these issues were due to naivete.
It’s so sad when people ignore reason so as not to upset the false paradigm they’ve grown accustomed to. Yeah, JPII was naive! :laugh1:
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Perhaps these gentlemen were Feeneyites (aka Catholics) ... since their statement equated lack of Baptism with lack of entrance into heaven (Catholic dogma that's universally denied these days even, alas, among Traditional Catholics).
They could be just regular Catholics who believe in limbo.
If they are talking about infants^
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This video was posted on RT entitled Heresy in the Vatican
https://youtu.be/CngoabjurIo
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They could be just regular Catholics who believe in limbo.
If they are talking about infants^
So with this post you're implying that "regular Catholics" believe that Baptism is only necessary for infants. Do you not accept the dogma taught by Trent that the Sacrament of Baptism is necessary for salvation ... for all people?
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In saner times, Catholics would have stormed the Vatican and thrown Francis into the Tiber alongside his idols.
:applause: :applause: :applause:
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In saner times, Catholics would have stormed the Vatican and thrown Francis into the Tiber alongside his idols.
Of course, only if the man has been declared outside the Church first, since it's wrong to lay violent hands on a legitimate Vicar of Christ.
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Of course, only if the man has been declared outside the Church first, since it's wrong to lay violent hands on a legitimate Vicar of Christ.
Agreed.
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I see a parallel between the ambiguity related to this Pachamama Virgin and the hostility displayed by Sahagun in Mexico toward the Virgin of Guadalupe.
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I see a parallel between the ambiguity related to this Pachamama Virgin and the hostility displayed by Sahagun in Mexico toward the Virgin of Guadalupe.
Except that that the Pachamama is no virgin at all- there was only one miraculous virgin birth, that of Mary, the mother of God. The Earth is an inanimate object onto which God placed life in all forms. There is no "Mother Earth". That whole concept (imo) is a wishful construct by people who don't want to give due credit to the Creator. Francis himself has stated the statues are "Pachamama", not just ugly, naked and profane images of Mary. That thing may be your 'mama', but is sure 'aint mine.
#notmymama
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Except that that the Pachamama is no virgin at all- there was only one miraculous virgin birth, that of Mary, the mother of God. The Earth is an inanimate object onto which God placed life in all forms. There is no "Mother Earth". That whole concept (imo) is a wishful construct by people who don't want to give due credit to the Creator. Francis himself has stated the statues are "Pachamama", not just ugly, naked and profane images of Mary. That thing may be your 'mama', but is sure 'aint mine.
#notmymama
:applause: :applause: :applause: :incense:
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I see a parallel between the ambiguity related to this Pachamama Virgin and the hostility displayed by Sahagun in Mexico toward the Virgin of Guadalupe.
I see a parallel between the way the Virgin of Guadalupe crushed demonic heathen idolatry and the way these brave men, as Her true sons, threw these abominable pagan idols in the river.
n hindsight, seeing how far the depravity of some in Rome today goes, that they have no shame in drawing their filthy idols out of the water, because they love their idols as they have never loved God, next time, they could be chopped into a 1000 pieces and burned
"Overthrow their altars, and break down their statues, burn their groves with fire, and break their idols in pieces: destroy their names out of those places." (Deut 12:3)
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“Poche: “I see a parallel between the ambiguity related to this Pachamama Virgin and the hostility displayed by Sahagun in Mexico toward the Virgin of Guadalupe. “
I see the parallel that paganism has been accepted and blended into Catholicism for a long time. There were two naked pregnant women statues that were worshipped during Papal Amazon synod event. Not only was it paganism promoted but sodomy as well.
Santa Muerte is the new paganism that is blasphemous to our Lady of Guadalupe. There are many in South America who set up altars to Coca Cola. Also, let’s not forget the amount of sex abuse scandals in Argentina, Mexico etc.
Look at Pope Francis who was formed by a false gospel and teaching of Liberal liberation theology and free masonry. Many Catholics in South America left the Church to become evangelicals.
And yes. There should have been outrage by clergy and laity because of Assisi where Jesus was denied by Pope John Paul II publicly. Many Catholics left the church after Vatican II to be evangelicals. And many left after Assisi event in 1986.
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Where do we go to contribute to the legal fund of the idol-chucker?
Yes, the faithful Catholic men, who stole the PAGAN IDOLS from the Church of Santa Maria Transpontina, should make a confession for violating the 8th Commandment, BUT, will Bergoglio (“Francis”) go to Confession, HIMSELF, and repent for his sin towards the FIRST Commandment? Most likely and DEFINITELY NOT!
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Yes, the faithful Catholic men, who stole the PAGAN IDOLS from the Church of Santa Maria Transpontina, should make a confession for violating the 8th Commandment, BUT, will Bergoglio (“Francis”) go to Confession, HIMSELF, and repent for his sin towards the FIRST Commandment? Most likely and DEFINITELY NOT!
I think you mean the 7th commandment. If so, are you serious? His act was meritorious, quite heroic, and very praiseworthy. He did not do anything that would require him to make a confession.
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Yes, the faithful Catholic men, who stole the PAGAN IDOLS from the Church of Santa Maria Transpontina, should make a confession for violating the 8th Commandment,
WHAT!?? Would you repeat that?
Since when does cleaning out filth constitute theft? Besides these monstrosities did not belong in that Church.
Of course the valiant men who did this made the mistake to throw them in the river, rather than burning them and throwing the ashes in a sewer.
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WHAT!?? Would you repeat that?
Since when does cleaning out filth constitute theft? Besides these monstrosities did not belong in that Church.
Of course the valiant men who did this made the mistake to throw them in the river, rather than burning them and throwing the ashes in a sewer.
Yes, those pagan idols should have been burned, smashed into powder, and then tossed in the trash.
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From Barnhardt's site
Via the Messa in Latino blog (http://blog.messainlatino.it/2019/10/in-diretta-da-s-maria-traspontina.html?m=1), this picture was taken at 3:55pm Rome time (09:55am EDT) Saturday 26 October.
(https://www.barnhardt.biz/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/img_1100.jpg)
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From Barnhardt's site
Via the Messa in Latino blog (http://blog.messainlatino.it/2019/10/in-diretta-da-s-maria-traspontina.html?m=1), this picture was taken at 3:55pm Rome time (09:55am EDT) Saturday 26 October.
(https://www.barnhardt.biz/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/img_1100.jpg)
So they have people praying in front of this thing? Or else keeping vigil lest they get stolen again?
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WHAT!?? Would you repeat that?
Since when does cleaning out filth constitute theft? Besides these monstrosities did not belong in that Church.
Of course the valiant men who did this made the mistake to throw them in the river, rather than burning them and throwing the ashes in a sewer.
It’s still considered “theft” according to the Commandments and Aquinas which needs to be Confessed. As for Bergoglio, unrepentant sin against the First Commandment is a Mortal Sin and will lead to eternal damnation.
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It’s still considered “theft” according to the Commandments and Aquinas which needs to be Confessed. As for Bergoglio, unrepentant sin against the First Commandment is a Mortal Sin and will lead to eternal damnation.
Wrong. So, according to you, someone would have to confess stealing a scalpel from an abortion clinic?
Theft involves dispossessing someone of a good which they RIGHTFULLY possess. So, for example, if someone stole my car, and I went and "stole" it back, that is not theft, because they did not rightfully possess the car. They had no claim in justice to possession of the vehicle. Similarly, one can have no claim to possessing something that is evil or bad.
Those idols have no right to exist, and no one has the right to possess them. Possessing them is against the express will of God (the First Commandment), so no one has a right to possess them and no one can possess them in justice.
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So they have people praying in front of this thing? Or else keeping vigil lest they get stolen again?
And why exactly are people placing pictures of (presumably) loved ones, relatives, and friends all around the cursed thing? Do they think it can intercede for them somehow? There are also votive candles around it, with votive strongly implying that people are praying to the damned idol.
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If Francis actually has that thing in St Peter's tomorrow during Mass as we suspect he's going to, I sincerely hope several brave Catholics will stand up and demand it's immediate removal in such a way as to make mainstream news. That photo, I suspect, will sting the sensus catholicus and raise righteous anger in many.
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I hope someone brings a sledge hammer and destroys that idol, but a metal detector might stop such bravery.
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Except that that the Pachamama is no virgin at all- there was only one miraculous virgin birth, that of Mary, the mother of God. The Earth is an inanimate object onto which God placed life in all forms. There is no "Mother Earth". That whole concept (imo) is a wishful construct by people who don't want to give due credit to the Creator. Francis himself has stated the statues are "Pachamama", not just ugly, naked and profane images of Mary. That thing may be your 'mama', but is sure 'aint mine.
#notmymama
In the late 1570s, the Franciscan historian Bernardino de Sahagún (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernardino_de_Sahag%C3%BAn) denounced the cult at Tepeyac and the use of the name "Tonantzin" or to call her Our Lady in a personal digression in his General History of the Things of New Spain, in the version known as the Florentine Codex (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florentine_Codex).
At this place [Tepeyac], [the Indians] had a temple dedicated to the mother of the gods, whom they called Tonantzin, which means Our Mother. There they performed many sacrifices in honor of this goddess ... And now that a church of Our Lady of Guadalupe is built there, they also called her Tonantzin, being motivated by those preachers who called Our Lady, the Mother of God, Tonantzin. While it is not known for certain where the beginning of Tonantzin may have originated, but this we know for certain, that, from its first usage, the word refers to the ancient Tonantzin. And it was viewed as something that should be remedied, for their having [native] name of the Mother of God, Holy Mary, instead of Tonantzin, but Dios inantzin. It appears to be a Satanic invention to cloak idolatry under the confusion of this name, Tonantzin.[31] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Lady_of_Guadalupe#cite_note-31)
Sahagún's criticism of the indigenous group seems to have stemmed primarily from his concern about a syncretistic (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syncretism) application of the native name Tonantzin to the Catholic Virgin Mary. However, Sahagún often used the same name in his sermons as late as the 1560s.[32] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Lady_of_Guadalupe#cite_note-32)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Lady_of_Guadalupe
When Sahagun denounced Our Lady he came close to causing a riot.
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I hope someone brings a sledge hammer and destroys that idol, but a metal detector might stop such bravery.
The best method would be a mob of 30 to 50 men to arrive in the church and just surround the idols then leave as a united mob. Unless you have a similar sized mob to handle such a large number of people there is nothing that can be done in time. Outside the church you just run away. This is how criminal gangs shoplift.
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I hope someone brings a sledge hammer and destroys that idol, but a metal detector might stop such bravery.
Looks like you could smash those with your bare hands ... or at least snap their necks. Other than that, no metal detector would detect a brick in someone's purse or coat that could be used to pummel the thing into splinters.
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If Francis actually has that thing in St Peter's tomorrow during Mass as we suspect he's going to, I sincerely hope several brave Catholics will stand up and demand it's immediate removal in such a way as to make mainstream news. That photo, I suspect, will sting the sensus catholicus and raise righteous anger in many.
For about 2-3 days, and then all will be forgotten as people revert to paying lip service to the "Holy Father". To quote my dad, "he is neither holy, nor father."
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The best method would be a mob of 30 to 50 men to arrive in the church and just surround the idols then leave as a united mob. Unless you have a similar sized mob to handle such a large number of people there is nothing that can be done in time. Outside the church you just run away. This is how criminal gangs shoplift.
Even better, have a Mob Flash group of men dressed in their Sunday best suits armed with holy water, a huge cross, and a brick enclosed in a disguised pillow case made of thick padding to resemble a ring bearer's pillow. Have them process down the aisle, singing the Asperges Me while sprinkling the holy water. Arriving at the location, they should quickly dispatch the idol with the brick, sprinkle it with holy water to chase away demons, and then quickly gather up the obvious remains and place them into the pillow case bag, leaving the brick behind. Finally, without any delay, they should process out in an orderly manner singing the Troparion to the Holy Cross or another suitable victory hymn.
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It's a shame you,re not in Rome, Maria, to organise it! :incense:
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Prayers used by Fr. Hugo Valdemar Romero during the burning of the Pachamama effigies
Prayers of Reparation
Holy Trinity, Father, Son and Holy Spirit, receive from the hands of the Immaculata, Mother of God, Virgin Mary of Guadalupe, from our contrite heart, a sincere act of reparation for the acts of worship of idols and satanic fetishes that occurred in Rome, the Eternal City and the heart of the Catholic world, during the Synod for the Amazon.
Pour into the hearts of cardinals, bishops, priests, and religious men and women your Spirit, Who will expel the darkness of minds, so that they may recognize the impiety of such acts, which offended Your Divine Majesty and offer acts of reparation and relief.
In all the members of the Church, shed the light of the fullness and beauty of the Catholic Faith. Ignite in all the ardent zeal to bring the salvation of Jesus Christ, True God and true man to all men, especially people in the Amazon region, who are still enslaved to the service of idols and superstition, so that all people from that region reach the freedom of the children of God, and have the indescribable happiness of knowing Jesus Christ, and through Him in the life of Your Divine Nature.
Holy Trinity, Father, Son and Holy Spirit, you, the only True God, outside Whom there is no other god or salvation, have mercy on your Church. Look especially at the tears, the contrite and humble sighs of your faithful and bless and protect the true Christian heroes, who in their zeal for your glory and in their love for Mother Church prophetically threw the idols of the abomination into the water.
Have mercy on us: forgive us, Lord! Have mercy on us: Kyrie eleison!
Deprecatory Prayers
1. Forgive us, Lord, for the sacrilegious act of adoration of the Pachamama and the Amazonian idols in the Vatican gardens
Lord have mercy, Christ have mercy.
2. Forgive us, Lord, for the desecration of the basilica and the tomb of the blessed apostle St. Peter, where they prayed and sang to the Amazonian idols.
Lord, have mercy, Christ, have mercy.
3. Forgive us, Lord, for the procession of the cursed canoe with Amazonian fetishes carried by bishops, religious and lay people to the synodal hall.
Lord, have mercy, Christ, have mercy.
4. Forgive us, Lord, for the desecration of the church dedicated to your Blessed Mother, in her invocation Santa María in Traspontina, in Rome, where they housed the diabolical idols of the Pachamama and worshiped her, offending the memory of our Blessed Mother and the holiness of your House.
Lord have mercy, Christ have mercy.
5. Forgive us, Lord, for the desecration of your Holy Via Crucis, the Way of Reconciliation, in Rome, in which they offended your glorious Passion.
Lord, have mercy, Christ, have mercy.
6. Forgive us, Lord, for the prayers to the abominable idol of the Pachamama composed by the Pastoral Agency of the Italian Episcopal Conference and prayed in several churches in Italy.
Lord have mercy, Christ have mercy.
7. Forgive us, Lord, for the desecration of the Cathedral of Lima Peru, in which they praised the idol Pachamama, begotten by and deceived through Satan.
Lord, have mercy, Christ, have mercy.
8. Forgive us, Lord, for all the bishops, priests, religious men and women who have offended your holiness as One God, committing the crime of idolatry and defending, spreading and worshiping Satan in the deceit of Pachamama idol.
Lord, have mercy, Christ, have mercy.
9. Forgive us, Lord, for the Catholics who see and yet do not see, and hear and yet do not hear, and defend these demonic and abominable acts of adoration of the Amazonian idols, deceit of Satan. Do not allow their souls to be lost, give them Your Divine Light to become one with You, the only True God.
Lord, have mercy, Christ, have mercy.
10. Forgive us, Lord, for endorsement of “integral ecology”, contempt for human beings, lack of courage to defend the unborn, abortions and the endless crimes of your children.
Lord have mercy, Christ, have mercy.
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I spit on Panchama and all of the nasty tribal demon gods and on those who worship her!!!
I spit on the indigenous peoples and fake clergy who promote this demonic goddess!!!
I spit on the Novus Ordo scuм who think this kind of thing isn't a total slap in the face to Our Lord and Our Lady!!!
Me deceased mother from Belfast would have said they should all be dragged through the rocky valley and then thrown into the mirky bog!!!
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I spit on Panchama and all of the nasty tribal demon gods and on those who worship her!!!
Ditto
I spit on the indigenous peoples and fake clergy who promote this demonic goddess!!!
I spit on the Novus Ordo scuм who think this kind of thing isn't a total slap in the face to Our Lord and Our Lady!!!
I pray for these, for their conversion.
What is it with all the bitter zeal around here?