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Re: Pachamama idol thrown in the Tiber river!
« Reply #40 on: October 26, 2019, 09:37:50 PM »
I hope someone brings a sledge hammer and destroys that idol, but a metal detector might stop such bravery.

Re: Pachamama idol thrown in the Tiber river!
« Reply #41 on: October 27, 2019, 03:10:08 AM »
Except that that the Pachamama is no virgin at all- there was only one miraculous virgin birth, that of Mary, the mother of God. The Earth is an inanimate object onto which God placed life in all forms. There is no "Mother Earth". That whole concept (imo) is a wishful construct by people who don't want to give due credit to the Creator. Francis himself has stated the statues are "Pachamama", not just ugly, naked and profane images of Mary.  That thing may be your 'mama', but is sure 'aint mine.

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In the late 1570s, the Franciscan historian Bernardino de SahagĂșn denounced the cult at Tepeyac and the use of the name "Tonantzin" or to call her Our Lady in a personal digression in his General History of the Things of New Spain, in the version known as the Florentine Codex.
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At this place [Tepeyac], [the Indians] had a temple dedicated to the mother of the gods, whom they called Tonantzin, which means Our Mother. There they performed many sacrifices in honor of this goddess ... And now that a church of Our Lady of Guadalupe is built there, they also called her Tonantzin, being motivated by those preachers who called Our Lady, the Mother of God, Tonantzin. While it is not known for certain where the beginning of Tonantzin may have originated, but this we know for certain, that, from its first usage, the word refers to the ancient Tonantzin. And it was viewed as something that should be remedied, for their having [native] name of the Mother of God, Holy Mary, instead of Tonantzin, but Dios inantzin. It appears to be a Satanic invention to cloak idolatry under the confusion of this name, Tonantzin.[31]
SahagĂșn's criticism of the indigenous group seems to have stemmed primarily from his concern about a syncretistic application of the native name Tonantzin to the Catholic Virgin Mary. However, SahagĂșn often used the same name in his sermons as late as the 1560s.[32]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Lady_of_Guadalupe

When Sahagun denounced Our Lady he came close to causing a riot.  


Re: Pachamama idol thrown in the Tiber river!
« Reply #42 on: October 27, 2019, 06:10:36 AM »
I hope someone brings a sledge hammer and destroys that idol, but a metal detector might stop such bravery.
The best method would be a mob of 30 to 50 men to arrive in the church and just surround the idols then leave as a united mob.  Unless you have a similar sized mob to handle such a large number of people there is nothing that can be done in time.  Outside the church you just run away.  This is how criminal gangs shoplift.

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Re: Pachamama idol thrown in the Tiber river!
« Reply #43 on: October 27, 2019, 10:30:37 AM »
I hope someone brings a sledge hammer and destroys that idol, but a metal detector might stop such bravery.

Looks like you could smash those with your bare hands ... or at least snap their necks.  Other than that, no metal detector would detect a brick in someone's purse or coat that could be used to pummel the thing into splinters.

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Re: Pachamama idol thrown in the Tiber river!
« Reply #44 on: October 27, 2019, 10:32:33 AM »
If Francis actually has that thing in St Peter's tomorrow during Mass as we suspect he's going to, I sincerely hope several brave Catholics will stand up and demand it's immediate removal in such a way as to make mainstream news. That photo, I suspect, will sting the sensus catholicus and raise righteous anger in many.

For about 2-3 days, and then all will be forgotten as people revert to paying lip service to the "Holy Father".  To quote my dad, "he is neither holy, nor father."