In a similar vein, there are a bunch of conservatives and almost-Trads who are falling all over themselves to criticize Pope Francis, while completely ignoring the fact that ALL the post-Vatican II popes were on the same page. They totally forget about Assisi, the violation of the First Commandment that that their precious JP2 committed.

Oh no, they haven't forgotten those things.  They just don't think they are the same. One such person said that certain of these issues were due to naivete. 

Perhaps these gentlemen were Feeneyites (aka Catholics) ... since their statement equated lack of Baptism with lack of entrance into heaven (Catholic dogma that's universally denied these days even, alas, among Traditional Catholics).

Perhaps these gentlemen were Feeneyites (aka Catholics) ... since their statement equated lack of Baptism with lack of entrance into heaven (Catholic dogma that's universally denied these days even, alas, among Traditional Catholics).

They could be just regular Catholics who believe in limbo.

If they are talking about infants^

They could be just regular Catholics who believe in limbo.

If they are talking about infants^

So with this post you're implying that "regular Catholics" believe that Baptism is only necessary for infants.  Do you not accept the dogma taught by Trent that the Sacrament of Baptism is necessary for salvation ... for all people?

In saner times, Catholics would have stormed the Vatican and thrown Francis into the Tiber alongside his idols.

Of course, only if the man has been declared outside the Church first, since it's wrong to lay violent hands on a legitimate Vicar of Christ.

I see a parallel between the ambiguity related to this Pachamama Virgin and the hostility displayed by Sahagun in Mexico toward the Virgin of Guadalupe.  

Except that that the Pachamama is no virgin at all- there was only one miraculous virgin birth, that of Mary, the mother of God. The Earth is an inanimate object onto which God placed life in all forms. There is no "Mother Earth". That whole concept (imo) is a wishful construct by people who don't want to give due credit to the Creator. Francis himself has stated the statues are "Pachamama", not just ugly, naked and profane images of Mary.  That thing may be your 'mama', but is sure 'aint mine.

#notmymama

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“Poche:  “I see a parallel between the ambiguity related to this Pachamama Virgin and the hostility displayed by Sahagun in Mexico toward the Virgin of Guadalupe. “

I see the parallel that paganism has been accepted and blended into Catholicism for a long time.    There were two naked pregnant women statues that were worshipped during Papal Amazon synod event.  Not only was it paganism promoted but sodomy as well.  
Santa Muerte is the new paganism that is blasphemous to our Lady of Guadalupe.  There are many in South America who set up altars to Coca Cola. Also, let’s not forget the amount of sex abuse scandals in Argentina, Mexico etc.  
Look at Pope Francis who was formed by a false gospel and teaching of Liberal liberation theology and free masonry.  Many Catholics in South America left the Church to become evangelicals.  
And yes. There should have been outrage by clergy and laity because of Assisi  where Jesus was denied by Pope John Paul II publicly.  Many Catholics left the church after Vatican II to be evangelicals.  And many left after Assisi event in 1986.