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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Our prayers are with him and his family
« Reply #15 on: January 18, 2024, 10:46:22 PM »
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  • My dear mother, 93, is gravely ill and probably won't live more than a few weeks or months.  A year or so ago, I hid a Green Scapular in our foyer (behind the crucifix) and have prayed for her reversion.  She received Extreme Unction a few weeks ago and has fully returned to the orthodoxy of the Faith.  Just last night she was reciting the Our Father and the 23rd Psalm, and has a picture of the Sacred Heart over the doorway in front of her sick bed.

    What wonderful news.  I would recommend the Green Scapular for all those who know people outside the Church.

    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: Our prayers are with him and his family
    « Reply #16 on: January 18, 2024, 10:47:27 PM »
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  • So it looks like Sojek started to wear down in 2018, and his problem was in fact not so much "toxic Trads" but in confusing the Conciliar Church with the Catholic Church.  And it was his FFSP priest that he had a run-in with that was evidently the straw that broke the camel's back.

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    But then, in 2018, it felt like everything blew up. It was an absolute avalanche of disturbing news coming from within the Church, most of it from Rome. Here are some of the major Church stories from that year:
    With all of that going on, it all started to become too much, and I was burning out fast. The dubia effort was in its last gasps, and the promised formal correction started to look like vaporware. It felt as though the faithful were enduring one hammer blow after another, each one seemingly more outrageous than the last. I tried to write about all that was happening with a sense of hope that God would put a stop to it all soon. Surely, I kept thinking, the pope would take a step too far, and God would at last assert His protection of the Church.



    Offline TheRealMcCoy

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    Re: Our prayers are with him and his family
    « Reply #17 on: January 18, 2024, 10:49:42 PM »
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  • I was forced to wait a year to have my toddler baptized. If I had walked away out of pride and anger the outcome would have been devastating.

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    Re: Our prayers are with him and his family
    « Reply #18 on: January 18, 2024, 10:55:04 PM »
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  • I was forced to wait a year to have my toddler baptized. If I had walked away out of pride and anger the outcome would have been devastating.

    It sounded like this had been brewing for some time before the "final straw" incident, and it would appear that the bulk of his bitterness came not from the "toxic Trads" initially, but due to the scandals emanating from the Conciliar Church, and from Rome in particular.  I think he was already worked up over these things when he hit that situation with the FSSP priest.  It turns out in retrospect that the priest may have been right, but evidently he didn't know enough about Skojec's situation to have known what he was struggling with.  But even after his wife returned to Mass, he stayed away, exploiting the "permission" to stay away on account of COVID, to continue "dealing with" these issues he mentioned.  So by the time it came for the children to receive the Sacraments, it does sound as if he had already been going through some kind of crisis about his faith.  Did the priest get wind of this somehow?

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    Re: Our prayers are with him and his family
    « Reply #19 on: January 19, 2024, 08:20:36 AM »
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  • This situation sounds quite tragic -- another victim of the Crisis in the Church, but it's always hard to hear about one up-close and personal like this.

    It's unfortunate that so many are not only attacked DIRECTLY by Modernism (the Novus Ordo), but some men like Skojec have the ONE ESCAPE DOOR blocked -- they are poisoned against Tradition for whatever reason.

    All I know is, there is nothing in this world more valuable to me than the Catholic Faith (a.k.a. "Tradition" or "Traditional Catholicism", because the Catholic Faith is unchanging and inherently traditional). To hear people (such as the now-defunct Fisheaters forum) talk about Trads (especially the serious ones, not just "Latin Mass attendees") as being "toxic" is about as upside-down as you can get. Might as well call good evil, or evil good. Talk about diabolical inversion.

    Because it's the Diabolical Texas Two-step. First you get them hating on Trads, for whatever reason. Maybe point out some real human failings in the movement. You can always find such cases, anywhere there are humans! Find some scandalous humans -- maybe child predators. Maybe some hypocrites. They are literally EVERYWHERE, it's only a question of how hard you have to look. Second you expose before their eyes the pure horror, the gross errors, the serious evils of the Novus Ordo, the recent Popes, etc. They instinctively recoil from such evils when their eyes are thus opened. Usually, they would become Trad at this point, right? But thanks to Step One of the Two-step, their way is blocked. They are stuck. All they have left is "give up". Extremely sad.
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    Re: Our prayers are with him and his family
    « Reply #20 on: January 19, 2024, 08:27:09 AM »
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  • There is a difference between a traditional  Catholic and a trad.

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    Re: Our prayers are with him and his family
    « Reply #21 on: January 19, 2024, 09:13:57 AM »
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  • There is a difference between a traditional  Catholic and a trad.

    No, it's just semantics. "Trad" is a frequently used abbreviation for "Traditional Catholic".
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    Re: Our prayers are with him and his family
    « Reply #22 on: January 19, 2024, 09:16:35 AM »
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  • No, it's just semantics. "Trad" is a frequently used abbreviation for "Traditional Catholic".
    You probably believe that because you have not encountered a trad. They are odious people.


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    Re: Our prayers are with him and his family
    « Reply #23 on: January 19, 2024, 09:29:54 AM »
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  • You probably believe that because you have not encountered a trad. They are odious people.

    I would call them something else. Jerk? A-hole? Hypocrite? Socially Retarded? Autist? Not simply "trad". Why does a random jerk get called a "trad" anyhow? What is trad short for in their case?

    We use the abbreviation Trad *all the time* on CathInfo as a literal shorthand to avoid having to type out "Traditional Catholic". Things exist because they are useful. The abbreviation "trad" has both a meaning AND a useful purpose.
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    Re: Our prayers are with him and his family
    « Reply #24 on: January 19, 2024, 09:37:45 AM »
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  • Thanks for the update.  He really appears to have gone off the deep end.  Does he still (evidently hypocritically) still run OnePeterFive?

    I found his initial complaint to have been rather petty.  He got massively bent out of shape.  I do think the priest did not act charitably toward him, but he WAAAY overreacted to it.  Go find another priest.

    1P5 got handed over a couple years ago to a fellow named Tim Flanders, a convert from Protestantism who spent some time in EO in between. He seems to mean well though not exactly the cup-of-tea for RRs and SVs. 1P5 is a mixed bag, some worthwhile reading (for example, of the domestic Church sort), some best skipped.

    Agree about Steve's baby brouhaha, but the blow up was long coming given his years of baggage from the LCs going back to when he was a teenager (though the LCs are a whole other topic). Funny how both root cause and answer are sometimes staring a person in the face but he's the last to see/admit it. 
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    Re: Our prayers are with him and his family
    « Reply #25 on: January 19, 2024, 09:47:41 AM »
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  • You probably believe that because you have not encountered a trad. They are odious people.

    The wheat and cockles are sown together everywhere. No escaping it while we're still in this mortal life.
    Let nothing disturb you, let nothing frighten you, all things pass away: God never changes. Patience obtains all things. He who has God finds he lacks nothing; God alone suffices. - St. Teresa of Jesus


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    Re: Our prayers are with him and his family
    « Reply #26 on: January 19, 2024, 10:06:32 AM »
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  • I would call them something else. Jerk? A-hole? Hypocrite? Socially Retarded? Autist? Not simply "trad". Why does a random jerk get called a "trad" anyhow? What is trad short for in their case?
    Trad is fewer words than "hypocrital and narcissistic traditional Catholic who believes nobody is saved but themselves and actively seeks to drive others away from the true Catholic Church".

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    Re: Our prayers are with him and his family
    « Reply #27 on: January 19, 2024, 11:11:23 AM »
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  • What wonderful news.  I would recommend the Green Scapular for all those who know people outside the Church.
    Thanks.  She recites the Our Father with the doxology at the end, that's the way she was taught in her youth (Protestant), and since there is nothing "wrong" or heterodox about the words, at this point I'm not about to correct her and disturb her quietude and what little of her memory she has left.  From time to time, I put Eucharistic Adoration (via YouTube) on the TV set beside her bed, to what extent she comprehends it, I don't know, but it can't do any harm. 

    In the past 24 hours, the doctor has put her on Oxycontin, so she is sleeping almost 24/7 and really doesn't comprehend anything around her.  The stuff is horribly addictive, and its abuse has ruined countless lives in rural and mountainous parts of the eastern US, but at this point, questions of addiction really don't matter, she won't live long enough ever to have to deal with detox.  She's not feeling any pain to speak of anymore.

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    Re: Our prayers are with him and his family
    « Reply #28 on: January 19, 2024, 11:13:28 AM »
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  • There is a difference between a traditional  Catholic and a trad.
    Trad is fewer words than "hypocrital and narcissistic traditional Catholic who believes nobody is saved but themselves and actively seeks to drive others away from the true Catholic Church".
    So all "trads" are traditional Catholics, but not all traditional Catholics are "trads"? People who go to a Latin NO mass, or an indult mass are considered "trads" by some Novus Ordites. Some FSSP members as "rad trad". SSPX as schismatic, therefore Sedevacantists as well. Most members here would be considered by NOers as rad-trad with schismatic tendencies, at best. I think the FSSP isn't trad enough, neither is the SSPX. Maybe the Dimond Brothers have a bit too much rad in their trad. See where this is going? There are many different opinions on what that word means. If someone is a bad Catholic, say "bad Catholic". Trad is shorthand for Traditional, there shouldn't be a negative connotation there 
    John 15:19  If you had been of the world, the world would love its own: but because you are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

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    Re: Our prayers are with him and his family
    « Reply #29 on: January 19, 2024, 11:23:34 AM »
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  • So all "trads" are traditional Catholics, but not all traditional Catholics are "trads"? People who go to a Latin NO mass, or an indult mass are considered "trads" by some Novus Ordites. Some FSSP members as "rad trad". SSPX as schismatic, therefore Sedevacantists as well. Most members here would be considered by NOers as rad-trad with schismatic tendencies, at best. I think the FSSP isn't trad enough, neither is the SSPX. Maybe the Dimond Brothers have a bit too much rad in their trad. See where this is going? There are many different opinions on what that word means. If someone is a bad Catholic, say "bad Catholic". Trad is shorthand for Traditional, there shouldn't be a negative connotation there
    I'm much obliged to you for sharing your opinion however I prefer trad.