Author Topic: Our Lords affroms BODBOD to Holy Elizabeth Kinlemann (Read 1850 times)

andysloan · « **on:** October 05, 2015, 05:46:46 PM »

OUR LORD AFFIRMS BOD/BOB TO HOLY ELIZABETH KINDLEMANN

The Lord Jesus: "No soul that I entrusted to the care of my priests should know damnation. This word, damnation, causes a terrible pain to My Heart. I would again suffer death on the Cross for every soul, even if I had to suffer one thousand times more, because for the damned there is no more hope. Prevent that! By your burning desires, save the souls!

You know, just as there are three forms of baptism: the baptism of water, blood and desire, it is the same for the salvation of souls. From My Sacred Heart also, blood and water spouted out on you, and the powerful desire with which I did it for you.

Do you know what desire is? It is a marvelous and delicate instrument within the range even of the most humble man, who can use it like a miraculous instrument to save souls. What is important is that he unites his desire with My Precious Blood which emanates from My side. Increase your desires with all your strength, My little one, because that saves many souls!"

See;

http://www.theflameoflove.org/spiritual_diary.html

God bless all!

OldMerry · « **Reply #1 on:** October 06, 2015, 05:31:48 AM »

This cannot be as "Our Lord" would not go against Church defined doctrine, nor His own Scripture statements, nor the Council of Trent's statements (as found in its ORIGINAL, untouched Catechism. Was not this woman Novus Ordo? There are books that have saints saying Protestants can be saved as Protestants ... anyone can add anything to a book -- especially in our times when ecuмenism is an absolute mandate and of most serious importance to the modernists and Vatican II.

Stubborn · « **Reply #2 on:** October 06, 2015, 05:40:30 AM »

Merry, it's just Andy and his obsession with false profits again.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #3 on:** October 06, 2015, 09:11:57 AM »

andysloan · « **Reply #4 on:** October 06, 2015, 10:13:07 AM »

To Stubborn:

Ecclesiastes 1:15

"The perverse are hard to be corrected, and the number of fools is infinite."

Do you mean false prophets like the Eternal Father (talking to St Catherine of Siena)?

"In the Side, where she knew the fire of divine Charity, and so, if you remember well, My Truth manifested to you, when you asked, saying: ’Sweet and Immaculate Lamb, You were dead when Your side was opened. Why then did You want to be struck and have Your heart divided?’ And He replied to you, telling you that there was occasion enough for it; but the principal part of what He said I will tell you. He said: Because My desire towards the human generation was ended, and I had finished the actual work of bearing pain and torment, and yet I had not been able to show, by finite things, because My love was infinite, how much more love I had, I wished you to see the secret of the Heart, showing it to you open, so that you might see how much more I loved than I could show you by finite pain. I poured from it Blood and Water, to show you the baptism of water, which is received in virtue of the Blood. I also showed the baptism of love in two ways, first in those who are baptized in their blood, shed for Me, which has virtue through My Blood, even if they have not been able to have Holy Baptism, and also in those who are baptized in fire, not being able to have Holy Baptism, but desiring it with the affection of love. There is no baptism of fire without the Blood, because the Blood is steeped in and kneaded with the fire of Divine charity, because, through love was It shed. There is yet another way by which the soul receives the baptism of Blood, speaking, as it were, under a figure, and this way the Divine charity provided, knowing the infirmity and fragility of man, through which he offends, not that he is obliged, through his fragility and infirmity, to commit sin unless he wish to do so; but, falling, as he will, into the guilt of mortal sin, by which he loses the grace which he drew from Holy Baptism in virtue of the Blood, it was necessary to leave a continual baptism of Blood. This the Divine charity provided in the Sacrament of Holy Confession, the soul receiving the Baptism of Blood, with contrition of heart, confessing, when able, to My ministers, who hold the keys of the Blood, sprinkling It, in absolution, upon the face of the soul. But, if the soul be unable to confess, contrition of heart is sufficient for this baptism, the hand of My clemency giving you the fruit of this precious Blood. But if you are able to confess, I wish you to do so, and if you are able to, and do not, you will be deprived of the fruit of the Blood. It is true that, in the last extremity, a man, desiring to confess and not being able to, will receive the fruit of this baptism, of which I have been speaking."

The Dialogue of St. Catherine of Siena

Purchase;

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Dialogue-Catherine-Seraphic-Virgin-Doctor/dp/1926777042/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1444089068&sr=8-3&keywords=dialogues+of+st+catherine

OldMerry · « **Reply #5 on:** October 06, 2015, 10:55:52 AM »

Andysloan it is a classic problem. Private revelation is not on the same level as Church definitions and infallible pronouncements - never mind Scripture. The Council of Trent says infallibly in Session 7 Can. 2.-- If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ: “Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost,” let him be anathema.

You are vulnerable if you follow people who associate with the Novus Ordo. The Holy Ghost would not lead people to the condemned Modernist Church. Voices from Heaven would not deal with them as you describe, and as in Akita, without for sure telling them to get away from the Novus Ordo "Church." On top of that, voices from Heaven would not be promulgating heresy.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #6 on:** October 06, 2015, 11:00:48 AM »

Just ignore Sloan; don't feed trolls.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #7 on:** October 06, 2015, 11:25:26 AM »

Quote from: Merry

This cannot be as "Our Lord" would not go against Church defined doctrine, nor His own Scripture statements, nor the Council of Trent's statements (as found in its ORIGINAL, untouched Catechism.

Was not this woman Novus Ordo? There are books that have saints saying Protestants can be saved as Protestants ... anyone can add anything to a book -- especially in our times when ecuмenism is an absolute mandate and of most serious importance to the modernists and Vatican II.

Yes, the false ecuмenism of Vat.II is foundational for the One World Masonic Religion.

Fr. Donald Sandborn (now Bishop, who rejects Vat.II and the conciliar church) is on youtube videos saying that protestants and other non-Catholics can go to heaven if they have a vague longing (desire) for something good, and live a good life.

He's not adding something to a book, in these videos. He's giving a sermon or speaking at a conference.

Bishop Sandborn's knowledge and description of world and Church history is very interesting, and he has obviously studied history quite well. But he has somehow accepted this Modernist view of salvation that puts ideas into Trent and prior texts that are not there in the first place. Apparently this latter effect is commonplace among other sedevacantists, as well.

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Ladislaus · « **Reply #8 on:** October 06, 2015, 11:28:28 AM »

Quote from: Neil Obstat

Fr. Donald Sandborn (now Bishop, who rejects Vat.II and the conciliar church) is on youtube videos saying that protestants and other non-Catholics can go to heaven if they have a vague longing (desire) for something good, and live a good life.

In that case, Bishop Sanborn, Vatican II ecclesiology is heretical, how? Since they can be saved, they're part of the Church, but since they're not Catholic, they're only partially or incompletely part of the Church. Presto -- V2 ecclesiology in a nutshell.

andysloan · « **Reply #9 on:** October 06, 2015, 12:10:08 PM »

Heresies (of which the rejection of BOD & BOD is one), are actually given as a punishment of blindness by God, to those who would take the place of Christ as supreme teacher.

Mark 13:6

"For many shall come in my name, saying, I am he; and they shall deceive many."

This explains the general obsessiveness of those who hold to them, for in their hearts their errors are to them a mantle of great personal glory which distinguishes them as superior to others. Hence (as we see on CI) they defend them with ferocity and generally do not fear to sin in denouncing those who challenge them.

In promulgating their errors, they seek not the enlightenment of their hearers, but rather that they may be glorified by men in their excellence of understanding and they expend great effort in attaining this vain end.

Hence Our Lord said;

Matthew 23:15

"Woe to you scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites; because you go round about the sea and the land to make one proselyte; and when he is made, you make him the child of hell twofold more than yourselves."

For those who are firm in keeping God's commandments and humbly faithful to interior grace, the fullness of Catholic religious truth is easily known;

1 John 2:27

"And as for you, let the unction, which you have received from him, abide in you. And you have no need that any man teach you; but as his unction teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie. And as it hath taught you, abide in him."

In fine, quoting from the Summa Theologica;

(Pope) Gregory says (Moral. xxxi, 45) that "presumptuous innovations arise from vainglory."

OldMerry · « **Reply #10 on:** October 06, 2015, 12:15:19 PM »

Stubborn · « **Reply #11 on:** October 06, 2015, 12:24:48 PM »

Quote from: Neil Obstat

Fr. Donald Sandborn (now Bishop, who rejects Vat.II and the conciliar church) is on youtube videos saying that protestants and other non-Catholics can go to heaven if they have a vague longing (desire) for something good, and live a good life.

The thing that is so totally - I can't even think of a word for it so I'll just say, "insane", is that by those standards, Fr. Feeney and all feeneyites, belong to the Church by desire. They could actually be the "Poster Child", representing belonging to the Church by Desire. So by virtue of the crook's own teaching, Fr. Feeney and all feeneyites are saved either way.

And remember Andy, Fr. Feeney received the sacraments of confession and Extreme Unction before he died. To us Catholics, that makes him a member of the Faithful Departed and his salvation can be thought to be assured - you can and should pray for the speedy release of his soul from purgatory - if, by virtue of the Last Sacrament, he even went there at all.

Stubborn · « **Reply #12 on:** October 06, 2015, 12:41:14 PM »

Quote from: andysloan

Heresies (of which the rejection of BOD & BOD is one), are actually given as a punishment of blindness by God, to those who would take the place of Christ as supreme teacher.

Why not preach on one of the sacraments? - Extreme Unction for example?

Quote from: Fr. Wathen

.....it may be asked, how many of the world's population are incognizant of the great Sacrament of Extreme Unction? Altogether inexcusable is the Protestant rejection of it, in view of the Scriptures' clear reference to it in St. James' Letter (James 5:14-15)

Indeed, such are the power and wonder of this Sacrament, that its existence alone should bring all men into the Church. To think that the Lord Jesus has given us a Sacrament which, if received with proper disposition takes away all the sins of one's life and all the punishments due to them!

But those who say that there is salvation outside the Church, maintain, in effect, that this Sacrament might as well not have been instituted, for it is really of no great importance. Whatever effects flow from it, almighty God produces in the souls of non-Catholic "saints" anyhow. And [through a BOD] He does this directly without the mediation of the Church, without the power of the priesthood, and without the Oil of the Sick, wherein is the power of the Holy Spirit.

So c'mon Andy, do the Catholic thing and start preaching on the beauty, wonder and need for the sacrament of Extreme Unction.

Cantarella · « **Reply #13 on:** October 06, 2015, 12:58:42 PM »

Quote from: Neil Obstat

Quote from: Merry
This cannot be as "Our Lord" would not go against Church defined doctrine, nor His own Scripture statements, nor the Council of Trent's statements (as found in its ORIGINAL, untouched Catechism.

Was not this woman Novus Ordo? There are books that have saints saying Protestants can be saved as Protestants ... anyone can add anything to a book -- especially in our times when ecuмenism is an absolute mandate and of most serious importance to the modernists and Vatican II.

Yes, the false ecuмenism of Vat.II is foundational for the One World Masonic Religion.

Fr. Donald Sandborn (now Bishop, who rejects Vat.II and the conciliar church) is on youtube videos saying that protestants and other non-Catholics can go to heaven if they have a vague longing (desire) for something good, and live a good life.

He's not adding something to a book, in these videos. He's giving a sermon or speaking at a conference.

Bishop Sandborn's knowledge and description of world and Church history is very interesting, and he has obviously studied history quite well. But he has somehow accepted this Modernist view of salvation that puts ideas into Trent and prior texts that are not there in the first place. Apparently this latter effect is commonplace among other sedevacantists, as well.

.

This ^^^^. It is a commonplace among the SSPX, as well. Liberal theology in traditionalist garb.

andysloan · « **Reply #14 on:** October 06, 2015, 01:31:13 PM »

To Stubborn;

St John is not talking above the Sacrament of Extreme Unction;

1 John 2:20

But you have the unction from the Holy One, and know all things.

He is speaking of the bestowal of the knowledge of Catholic truth by the Holy Ghost.

Extreme Unction is referred to by St James (5:15)

Heretics are deprived of "unction" of understanding by the Holy Ghost in some commensuration to their inner instability in subjecting themselves to God (2 Peter 3:16). Persons who deny BOD/BOB are such like.

The sacraments of confession and Extreme Unction will have been of no avail to Fr Feeney at death, if he refused to repent of his heresy.