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Offline Ladislaus

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Orthodoxy Destroyed
« on: January 20, 2024, 08:40:53 AM »
Great video from MHFM showing how the Second Council of Nicea (which the Orthodox claim to accept) destroys Orthodoxy.

Nicea taught the procession of the Holy Spirit through the Son, and also reaffirmed papal primacy.


Re: Orthodoxy Destroyed
« Reply #1 on: January 20, 2024, 10:49:36 AM »
Orthodoxy has always come across to me as a bit shady (quite aside from their having separated themselves from the unity of the Church) --- it's very hard to get a straight answer from them about matters, it's "this Father of the Church said this", "but this Father of the Church said that", and if you remind them that something is theologically unsound, they just resort to mysticism and all sorts of gobbledygook.  They don't draw a strong distinction between Divine Law and canonical discipline, and they use ekonomia to justify deviations even from what would seem to be Divine Law --- second marriages, and now, even contraception.  The best I have ever been able to determine, it goes something like "sometimes sin can be tolerated to avoid a greater sin or evil", almost like the priest or bishop is being used as a kind of "sin-eater", or as though the Church, as they see it, can dispense from Divine Law as needed.  Totally bogus.

And as to sacramental validity, they will come back and say "we don't view 'validity' as a black-and-white thing, we know more where the Grace of God is, rather than where it is not".  Or something like that.

SMH.


Re: Orthodoxy Destroyed
« Reply #2 on: January 20, 2024, 12:33:47 PM »
Orthodoxy has always come across to me as a bit shady (quite aside from their having separated themselves from the unity of the Church) --- it's very hard to get a straight answer from them about matters, it's "this Father of the Church said this", "but this Father of the Church said that", and if you remind them that something is theologically unsound, they just resort to mysticism and all sorts of gobbledygook.  They don't draw a strong distinction between Divine Law and canonical discipline, and they use ekonomia to justify deviations even from what would seem to be Divine Law --- second marriages, and now, even contraception.  The best I have ever been able to determine, it goes something like "sometimes sin can be tolerated to avoid a greater sin or evil", almost like the priest or bishop is being used as a kind of "sin-eater", or as though the Church, as they see it, can dispense from Divine Law as needed.  Totally bogus.

And as to sacramental validity, they will come back and say "we don't view 'validity' as a black-and-white thing, we know more where the Grace of God is, rather than where it is not".  Or something like that.

SMH.
You can practically get away with murder in Orthodoxy, as long who ever getting murdered is really really evil. 

Imagine a re-write of the Ten Commandments: Thou shalt not commit adultery but if you do just invoke ekonomia. 
These schismatics obviously need to get bigger tablets (cf Jaws reference)

There are indeed very beautiful chants in Church Slavonic sung by Orthodox monks. These appeal to my Slavic heritage to a degree BUT whatever is sung must be in accord with the One Holy Catholic Faith. Basically anything sung by Traditional Byzantine Catholics falls within that category, ie the Catholic Divine Liturgy of St. Chrysostom (and we can add St. Basil and St. James to that) :incense:

Alas with Orthodoxy...beautiful chants, iconography and architecture but theologically off the rails. :fryingpan:

Re: Orthodoxy Destroyed
« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2024, 12:39:24 PM »
Alas with Orthodoxy...beautiful chants, iconography and architecture but theologically off the rails. :fryingpan:

What it does accomplish at least is to sift the ortho-bros in transit from Protestantism. ::) :incense:

Re: Orthodoxy Destroyed
« Reply #4 on: January 20, 2024, 02:40:00 PM »
What it does accomplish at least is to sift the ortho-bros in transit from Protestantism. ::) :incense:
If Protties can make their way to the One Truth Faith via Orthodoxy, then God obviously has some use for Orthos. :pray: