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« on: October 15, 2012, 09:56:19 AM »
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  • "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church


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    « Reply #1 on: October 15, 2012, 10:04:19 AM »
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  • All the Sites agree that the ordinary magisterium infallibly teaches BOB/D.

    http://www.bing.com/search?q=ordinary+magisterium+and+baptism+of+desire&src=IE-SearchBox&FORM=IE8SRC

    The Baptism of Desire - CATHOLIC APOLOGETICS INFORMATION
    www.catholicapologetics.info/modernproblems/currenterrors/bpdsir.htmFirstly, Baptism of desire was not a "rare" teaching. It is one that has been emphasized and clarified over the centuries, becoming part of the ordinary magisterium.
    Baptism of Desire: An Exchange | Articles: Feeneyism | …
    www.traditionalmass.org/articles/article.php?id=28&catname=2(b) Universal ordinary magisterium (teaching of the bishops together with the pope ... Baptism of desire and baptism of blood are defined in essentially the same way in ...

    Baptism of Desire, Blood and Water - Our Lady of the Rosary …
    www.rosarychapel.net/threefoldbaptism.phpThe fact is, Baptism of Desire, Blood and Water are CLEARLY a unanimous teaching of the Magisterium of the Church (both Solemn and Ordinary), and therefore we MUST ...
    Catholic Essentials - Baptism of Desire

    www.catholicessentials.net/baptismofdesire.htmThe ordinary magisterium of the Church has openly taught the three-fold Baptism (water, desire and blood) since the earliest days of the Church, and never has this ...
    Baptism of Desire and Theological Principles | Articles: …
    www.traditionalmass.org/articles/article.php?id=27&catname=2The main problem with the Feeneyite position: A rejection of the universal ordinary magisterium and of the fundamental principles by which issues in Catholic theology ...

    Baptism of Blood & Baptism of Desire - Tradition In Action ...
    www.traditioninaction.org/Questions/E042_BaptBlood.htmCatholic teaching defends Baptism of Blood and Baptism of Desire ... was he was never empowered to speak for either the Ordinary or the Extraordinary Magisterium.
    THE CASE AGAINST FATHER FEENEY AND FOR BAPTISM OF BLOOD AND DESIRE
    www.freeyellow.com/members3/matt1618/desire.htmlTHE CASE AGAINST FATHER FEENEY AND FOR BAPTISM OF BLOOD AND DESIRE The Catholic Church ... and the Ordinary Magisterium on the Issue. When we see …
    The Magisterium and Baptism of Desire - True Doctrine - Bishop ...
    www.true-doctrine.com/bod.htmlNote well that the arguments come primarily from the Solemn and Ordinary Magisterium ... The doctrine of the Church also recognizes implicit baptism of desire…
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    « Reply #2 on: October 15, 2012, 01:09:57 PM »
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    Far as I know, and I am certainly no theologian - but the teaching of the Ordinary Magisterium is fallible.

    The teaching of the Universal Magisterium can be fallible as well - just reference V2 if there are any doubts.

    Aside from that, because the OM can teach error, there are some specific guidelines which must be met if the teaching of the UOM is to be infallible. AFAIK, most theologians refer to Pope Pius IX's letter: Tuas Libenter as guide lines for the Universal Magisterium.

    Since it seems this thread is aimed more at BOD being infallible based on what the OM teaches, there is no need to go into the specifics as laid out by Pope Pius IX - which shows that BOD/BOB are not infallible teachings - suffice to say that if BOD is infallible then the NO enjoys protection from error by the Holy Ghost as well.
    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse

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    « Reply #3 on: October 15, 2012, 02:23:30 PM »
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    Far as I know, and I am certainly no theologian - but the teaching of the Ordinary Magisterium is fallible.

    The teaching of the Universal Magisterium can be fallible as well - just reference V2 if there are any doubts.

    Aside from that, because the OM can teach error, there are some specific guidelines which must be met if the teaching of the UOM is to be infallible. AFAIK, most theologians refer to Pope Pius IX's letter: Tuas Libenter as guide lines for the Universal Magisterium.

    Since it seems this thread is aimed more at BOD being infallible based on what the OM teaches, there is no need to go into the specifics as laid out by Pope Pius IX - which shows that BOD/BOB are not infallible teachings - suffice to say that if BOD is infallible then the NO enjoys protection from error by the Holy Ghost as well.


    Thank you for your thoughts.  I will try to find some things by Fenton and others on this topic.  

    I thought the infallibility of the OM was pretty settled.  On good thing about these forums is they get me to double-check stuff I think I already know.
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church