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    August 6, 2019
    Manuel Cociña Sex Abuse Case
    “The things of Opus Dei - Where is the power of Opus today, 
    how does it exercise it, who is channeling it, in what media does
    it influence or where does its pressure flow, how does it regulate 
    the credits and to whom does it grant, if it does or can it do so?”
    Quote from Jordi Garcia 
               OpusLibros
     
    “Shut Up, Prayand Don’t Worry”
    Opus Dei’s Solution to Clerical Sex Abuse 
    By Randy Engel
     
    Introduction 
    While Catholics in Spain await the verdict of its Supreme Court in the case of José María Martínez Sanzan Opus Dei numerary who has been sentence by the Provincial Court of Bizkaiato 11 years in prison for the sexual assault of a young boy at the Gaztelueta boys school operated by “the Work in Basque country, another Opus Dei sex abuse case has been making Spanish headlines.(1) The new case, one of many that are about to explode on the Opus Dei international stage, concerns the alleged sexual assault of an 18-year-old Opus Dei member by a prominent Opus Dei Spanish numerary priestFather Manuel Cociña y Abella(2)
    Cociña – An Associate of Josemaría Escrivá
    It seems that Father Manuel Cociña, who had lived with Josemaria Escrivá, the  founder of Opus Dei in Spain, was on the eccesiastical fast track at the Prelature. He was Rector of the Pontifical Basilica of St. Michael in Madrid that is administered by Opus Dei priests. He served as a member of the Academy of Ecclesiastical Historyis a knight of the Order of the Holy Sepulcher of Jerusalem in Granada, and a member of the Nobility of the Old Kingdom of Galicia. Not too many years agoCociña was rumored to become the first numerary-prelate of the Prelature following the death of Bishop Javier Echevarria Rodriguez on December 12, 2016. But all his ambitions came to a grinding halt when Cociña’s unnatural passions and predatory penchant for young men became public knowledge in April 2019. 
    Charges Against Cocina
    The alleged victim known only by the initials MGF [also FGM] resided at the Colegio Mayor Almonte in Seville, Spain, a  residence center for young men, that is attached to the University of Seville It is a corporate work of Opus Dei (since 1967) and is operated and controlled by an Opus Dei Board including an Opus Dei Director and Chaplain. These university-based centers are a major recruiting ground for the Prelature.
    Born in 1984, MGF was recruited by Opus Dei in 1999 at the age of 15 or 16. At age 18, when the abuse began, he was a celibate numerary of the Prelature, and therefore, was required always to make his regular confession to an Opus Dei priest, in this case Father Cociña
    According to Cociñaaccuser, the sexual abuse took place after confession between November 2002 to July 2003, at which time the alleged victim left the Opus Dei residence hall, but not the Prelature. As a numerary he was assigned to an Opus Dei house in Madrid. 
    In 2007, Cociña became Rector of the Basilica of St. Michael in downtown Madrid.
    The specific charges leveled by MGF against Cociña is that the priest “massaged” the young man’s genitals at least seven different times after the young man’s confession to him.  MGFstated that at least four other young men had reported similar episodes of abuse at the hands of the same Opus Dei priest.
    According to MGF, Cociña maintained contact with him by electronic means until 2010 when the Opus Dei numerary decided to exit the Work completely.
    It took MGF three months to receive his dispensation from the Prelature.
    During this time, MGF obtained a meeting with the Opus Dei Regional Director in Madrid who listened to his accusations against Cociña. The Director told MGF that he himself was reluctant to relay the charge to his superiors because he was unsure if the act(s) of massaging the victim’s genitals had a sexual connotation. The Director told MGF that the revelations would hurt and that the young man should shut up, pray for the priest, and not worry.  
    MGF, who moved to Chile 2013, followed the Director’s advice and remained silent until 2018.
    Under the Opus Dei regime of Directors filing regular reports on numeraries in the Prelature, there is no question in this reporter’s mind that the Director immediately informed  Opus Dei officials in Rome of MGF’s accusations, but the matter was kept under wraps until 2019
    MGF Breaks His Long Silence
    Prophetically, it was the Karadima sex abuse scandal in Chile that convinced the young man, now married with a wife and two children to break his years of silence. 
    The reader may recall that in 2015, the sex abuse case of Chilean serial pederast Father Fernando Karadima, a spiritual leader among Santiago’s most prominent families, and the subsequent cover-up by members of the Chilean hierarchy, made world headlines. Karadima has since been defrocked by the Holy See
    MGF, who was still suffering from guilt and shame associated with his sexual abuse by Cociña, recalls thinking, “Manuel Cociña is the Karadima of Opus Dei.” 
    In 2017, Cociña contacted MGF as a “friend” contact on Linkedin. It was then that MGF learned  Cociña was still a priest in good standing in Opus Dei, and that he had resumed a more active role in Opus Dei and the Spanish Church.  
    After Pope Francis’ three-day visit to Chile in January 2018 in which the pontiff asked for forgiveness for the sex abuse scandal in the Church, MGF made the decisión to go public with his accusations against Cociña.
     Opus Dei Receives Formal Complaint
    In August 2018, officials of the Prelature received notice of MGF’s formal complaint against Father Manuel Cociña 
    On September 142018, the Regional Vicar of the Prelature in Spain, at the request of its prelate, Monsignor Fernando Ocariz, ordered a preliminary investigation of the charges against Cociña, in accordance with Canon 1717 of the Code of Canon Law. 3)
    On October 1, 2018, Msgr. Ocariz ordered that precautionary measures be taken against Cociña, and the priest was restricted to an Opus Dei center in Granada and forbade from having any contact with any young person under the age of 30. Opus Dei Canon lawyer, Father Rafael Rodriguez Ocana, was charged with the investigation.
    On October 11, 2018, Opus Dei sent its investigators to Chile to interview MGF at the Opus Dei headquarters in Santiago before a lawyer and a notary.
    In November 2018, Cociña was also interrogated  at his Opus Dei residence in Granada
    In December 2018, following Opus Dei’s investigation of Cociñathe Prelature forwarded  itsreport on Cociña to the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. It will be up to the Congregation to determine Cociña’s guilt or innocence and determine a penalty, including the possibility of laicization. 
    Spanish Media Exposes Scandal
    It should be pointed out that until mid-April 2019, Opus Dei had been successful in keeping  the Cociña scandal out of the public eye.
    Digital Religion, one of the world’s leading portals on religious information in Spanish was the first to break the story on April 10, 2019.  
    Subsequently, Opus Dei confirmed that sex abuse charges had been made against Cociña with Agencia EFE, S.A., the world’s 4th largest wire service, and INFOVATICANA.
    This reporter can find no link that the indicates any U.S. Catholic media source carried the story. My initial source was a brief report that appeared on the OpusLibros website that monitors the activities of Opus Dei in Spain. 
    Opus Dei responded with a formal press statement indicating that the matter was now in the hands of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith where it is being studied.
    The statement stressed that there were no minors involved in the accusations against Cociñasince the numerary was 18, and therefore, of legal age, when the abuse occured, and therefore, it was up to the young man to report the incident to the proper authorities. 
    The Prelature stated, “We want to express our closeness and support to the complainant, as well as the most complete rejection of any abuse and total collaboration to help heal the wounds.”
    Opus Dei Reveals New Set of Protocols
    At this time, the Opus Dei Information Office also revealed that in December 20, 2013, it formulated and approved of a set of sex abuse protocols for cases involving minors which includes the creation of a new Opus Dei position of Child Protection Coordinator for Spain
    Opus Dei also told the press that it had a sex abuse hot line in place at   proteccionmenores.es@opusdei.org to receive complaints involving Opus Dei priests, numeraries, supernumeraries, cooperators and other personnel connected to the Prelature. 
    However, it is more likely that sex abuse victims of Opus Dei personnel will take their complaints directly to police authorities or to the independent new sex abuse victim hotline at abusosopusdei@gmail.com  which has already received 20 cases of alleged abuse involving the Prelature.  
    The End
     
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    rvte61@comcast.net
    References
    (1) Background on the Gaztelueta Case is available at https://akacatholic.com/opus-dei-watch-march-part-1/https://akacatholic.com/opus-dei-watch-march-part-2/ . See also   https://akacatholic.com/opus-dei-sex-abuse-case-an-exclusive-interview/  
    (2) This article was based, in part, on the reporting of Julio Nunez and the following Spanish media articles:
    https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=es&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.elconfidencial.com%2Fespana%2Fandalucia%2F2019-04-11%2Fvaticano-opus-dei-abusos-sexuales_1936490%2F
    https://www.religiondigital.org/espana/Manuel-Cocina-Karadima-Opus-Dei-religion-abusos-sevilla-granada_0_2111188883.html
    https://www.religiondigital.org/espana/Opus-Dei-escondio-protocolo-actuacion-religion-manuel-cocina-abusos_0_2112088775.html
        3 )  Canon 1717 reads: PART IV : THE PENAL PROCESS (Cann1717 - 1731)
    CHAPTER I : THE PRELIMINARY INVESTIGATION
    Can. 1717 §1 Whenever the Ordinary receives information, which has at least the semblance of truth, about an offence, he is to enquire carefully, either personally or through some suitableperson, about the facts and circumstances, and about the imputability of the offence, unless this enquiry would appear to be entirely superfluous. 
    §2 Care is to be taken that this investigation does not call into question anyone's good name
    §3 The one who performs this investigation has the same powers and obligations as an auditor in a process. If, later, a judicial process is initiated, this person may not take part in it as a judge
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     

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    Re: Opus Dei’s Solution to Clerical Sex Abuse
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  • Maybe Opus Dei sounds like an occult to groom and mold victims.  

    This pervert had lived with a “saint”.  

    The Catholic Church is a den of thieves.  And it is getting worse.  

    Thank you, Nadir.  

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    Re: Opus Dei’s Solution to Clerical Sex Abuse
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  • August 6, 2019
    Manuel Cociña Sex Abuse Case
    “The things of Opus Dei - Where is the power of Opus today,
    how does it exercise it, who is channeling it, in what media does
    it influence or where does its pressure flow, how does it regulate
    the credits and to whom does it grant, if it does or can it do so?”
    Quote from Jordi Garcia
              OpusLibros
     
    “Shut Up, Pray, and Don’t Worry”
    Opus Dei’s Solution to Clerical Sex Abuse
    By Randy Engel

    Introduction
    While Catholics in Spain await the verdict of its Supreme Court in the case of José María Martínez Sanz, an Opus Dei numerary who has been sentence by the Provincial Court of Bizkaiato 11 years in prison for the sexual assault of a young boy at the Gaztelueta boys school operated by “the Work in Basque country, another Opus Dei sex abuse case has been making Spanish headlines.(1) The new case, one of many that are about to explode on the Opus Dei international stage, concerns the alleged sexual assault of an 18-year-old Opus Dei member by a prominent Opus Dei Spanish numerary priest, Father Manuel Cociña y Abella. (2)
    Cociña An Associate of Josemaría Escrivá
    It seems that Father Manuel Cociña, who had lived with Josemaria Escrivá, the  founder of Opus Dei in Spain, was on the eccesiastical fast track at the Prelature. He was Rector of the Pontifical Basilica of St. Michael in Madrid that is administered by Opus Dei priests. He served as a member of the Academy of Ecclesiastical History, is a knight of the Order of the Holy Sepulcher of Jerusalem in Granada, and a member of the Nobility of the Old Kingdom of Galicia. Not too many years ago, Cociña was rumored to become the first numerary-prelate of the Prelature following the death of Bishop Javier Echevarria Rodriguez on December 12, 2016. But all his ambitions came to a grinding halt when Cociña’s unnatural passions and predatory penchant for young men became public knowledge in April 2019.
    Charges Against Cocina
    The alleged victim known only by the initials MGF [also FGM] resided at the Colegio Mayor Almonte in Seville, Spain, a  residence center for young men, that is attached to the University of Seville It is a corporate work of Opus Dei (since 1967) and is operated and controlled by an Opus Dei Board including an Opus Dei Director and Chaplain. These university-based centers are a major recruiting ground for the Prelature.
    Born in 1984, MGF was recruited by Opus Dei in 1999 at the age of 15 or 16. At age 18, when the abuse began, he was a celibate numerary of the Prelature, and therefore, was required always to make his regular confession to an Opus Dei priest, in this case Father Cociña.
    According to Cociñaaccuser, the sexual abuse took place after confession between November 2002 to July 2003, at which time the alleged victim left the Opus Dei residence hall, but not the Prelature. As a numerary he was assigned to an Opus Dei house in Madrid.
    In 2007, Cociña became Rector of the Basilica of St. Michael in downtown Madrid.
    The specific charges leveled by MGF against Cociña is that the priest “massaged” the young man’s genitals at least seven different times after the young man’s confession to him.  MGFstated that at least four other young men had reported similar episodes of abuse at the hands of the same Opus Dei priest.
    According to MGF, Cociña maintained contact with him by electronic means until 2010 when the Opus Dei numerary decided to exit the Work completely.
    It took MGF three months to receive his dispensation from the Prelature.
    During this time, MGF obtained a meeting with the Opus Dei Regional Director in Madrid who listened to his accusations against Cociña. The Director told MGF that he himself was reluctant to relay the charge to his superiors because he was unsure if the act(s) of massaging the victim’s genitals had a sexual connotation. The Director told MGF that the revelations would hurt and that the young man should shut up, pray for the priest, and not worry.  
    MGF, who moved to Chile 2013, followed the Director’s advice and remained silent until 2018.
    Under the Opus Dei regime of Directors filing regular reports on numeraries in the Prelature, there is no question in this reporter’s mind that the Director immediately informed  Opus Dei officials in Rome of MGF’s accusations, but the matter was kept under wraps until 2019.
    MGF Breaks His Long Silence
    Prophetically, it was the Karadima sex abuse scandal in Chile that convinced the young man, now married with a wife and two children to break his years of silence.
    The reader may recall that in 2015, the sex abuse case of Chilean serial pederast Father Fernando Karadima, a spiritual leader among Santiago’s most prominent families, and the subsequent cover-up by members of the Chilean hierarchy, made world headlines. Karadima has since been defrocked by the Holy See.
    MGF, who was still suffering from guilt and shame associated with his sexual abuse by Cociña, recalls thinking, “Manuel Cociña is the Karadima of Opus Dei.”
    In 2017, Cociña contacted MGF as a “friend” contact on Linkedin. It was then that MGF learned  Cociña was still a priest in good standing in Opus Dei, and that he had resumed a more active role in Opus Dei and the Spanish Church.  
    After Pope Francis’ three-day visit to Chile in January 2018 in which the pontiff asked for forgiveness for the sex abuse scandal in the Church, MGF made the decisión to go public with his accusations against Cociña.
    Opus Dei Receives Formal Complaint
    In August 2018, officials of the Prelature received notice of MGF’s formal complaint against Father Manuel Cociña.
    On September 14, 2018, the Regional Vicar of the Prelature in Spain, at the request of its prelate, Monsignor Fernando Ocariz, ordered a preliminary investigation of the charges against Cociña, in accordance with Canon 1717 of the Code of Canon Law. ( 3)
    On October 1, 2018, Msgr. Ocariz ordered that precautionary measures be taken against Cociña, and the priest was restricted to an Opus Dei center in Granada and forbade from having any contact with any young person under the age of 30. Opus Dei Canon lawyer, Father Rafael Rodriguez Ocana, was charged with the investigation.
    On October 11, 2018, Opus Dei sent its investigators to Chile to interview MGF at the Opus Dei headquarters in Santiago before a lawyer and a notary.
    In November 2018, Cociña was also interrogated  at his Opus Dei residence in Granada.
    In December 2018, following Opus Dei’s investigation of Cociña, the Prelature forwarded  itsreport on Cociña to the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. It will be up to the Congregation to determine Cociña’s guilt or innocence and determine a penalty, including the possibility of laicization.
    Spanish Media Exposes Scandal
    It should be pointed out that until mid-April 2019, Opus Dei had been successful in keeping  the Cociña scandal out of the public eye.
    Digital Religion, one of the world’s leading portals on religious information in Spanish was the first to break the story on April 10, 2019.
    Subsequently, Opus Dei confirmed that sex abuse charges had been made against Cociña with Agencia EFE, S.A., the world’s 4th largest wire service, and INFOVATICANA.
    This reporter can find no link that the indicates any U.S. Catholic media source carried the story. My initial source was a brief report that appeared on the OpusLibros website that monitors the activities of Opus Dei in Spain.
    Opus Dei responded with a formal press statement indicating that the matter was now in the hands of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith where it is being studied.
    The statement stressed that there were no minors involved in the accusations against Cociñasince the numerary was 18, and therefore, of legal age, when the abuse occured, and therefore, it was up to the young man to report the incident to the proper authorities.
    The Prelature stated, “We want to express our closeness and support to the complainant, as well as the most complete rejection of any abuse and total collaboration to help heal the wounds.”
    Opus Dei Reveals New Set of Protocols
    At this time, the Opus Dei Information Office also revealed that in December 20, 2013, it formulated and approved of a set of sex abuse protocols for cases involving minors which includes the creation of a new Opus Dei position of Child Protection Coordinator for Spain.
    Opus Dei also told the press that it had a sex abuse hot line in place at   proteccionmenores.es@opusdei.org to receive complaints involving Opus Dei priests, numeraries, supernumeraries, cooperators and other personnel connected to the Prelature.
    However, it is more likely that sex abuse victims of Opus Dei personnel will take their complaints directly to police authorities or to the independent new sex abuse victim hotline at abusosopusdei@gmail.com  which has already received 20 cases of alleged abuse involving the Prelature.

     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Re: Opus Dei’s Solution to Clerical Sex Abuse
    « Reply #3 on: August 08, 2019, 03:36:22 PM »
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  • I found more info on the Opus Dei cult. Below is a photo of Members of the Opus Dei  Cult Shown Bowing to their Leader Escriva




    And here of portions of the article, link provided below.

    I am sure that in your research you became, like me, very disturbed by the fundamental nature of Opus Dei which does not appear to be reconcilable with the Catholic Faith. The more I studied the problem, the more self-evident it was. I believe that much of the confusion about this prelature is in the absence of the documentation which is supposed to fundament it. There is not only the absence of any constitution that, if published at all, is in Latin . . .

    To know your duties as a member of Opus Dei, natural reason is by necessity suspended, and for this reason members are more inclined to turn over their wills to the Dr. Frankenstein who designed this artificially constructed "new form" using dialectical constructs . . . Is this not a plausible explanation for the zombie-like qualities and the Pavlovian gestures, so visible in its membership?  . . .

    The accoutrements of Catholicism are used and used wrongly, and with the documentation missing, the only thing that we have that informs us that it is not Catholic is the traditional teaching of the Church, our only guide in judging this "new form." .

    Considering their stronghold in Rome, . . . not popular and universal, but elitist and exclusive, another trait of talmudic Judaism. . . .do not reflect but distort clear Catholic doctrine.

    Even the Divinity of Our Lord Jesus Christ, who Escriva teaches was not more than one of his most loved Jews . . . age-old plot of infiltration to destroy their greatest nemesis and obstacle to their quest for worldly power – the Catholic Church..

    http://www.opusdeialert.com/modernistcult.htm.
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    Re: Opus Dei’s Solution to Clerical Sex Abuse
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  • Maybe Opus Dei sounds like an occult to groom and mold victims.  

    This pervert had lived with a “saint”.  

    The Catholic Church is a den of thieves.  And it is getting worse.  

    Thank you, Nadir.  

    (Does Randy Engle go to Mass anywhere?).  
    I would rather say that a den of thieves occupy high positions in the Church, which is the spotless bride of Christ.
    Randy is a Catholic woman who seems to be filled with faith, hope and charity, so she I guess she gets the grace to do what she does through the Mass and the sacraments.
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    Re: Opus Dei’s Solution to Clerical Sex Abuse
    « Reply #5 on: August 08, 2019, 10:11:56 PM »
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  • Opus Judei
     
    Opus Judei
    https://mauricepinay.blogspot.com/2007/02/opus-judei.html
     
    Opus Judei Founder, Escriba Preached Kabbalistic Doctrine, Tikkun Olam
    https://mauricepinay.blogspot.com/2007/07/opus-judei-founder-escriba-preached.html
     
    OpusDei has as its core doctrines themes taken almost verbatim from the Baal Shem Tov (aka  Israel ben Eliezer; Besht).
    https://twitter.com/HereIsJorge/status/982575615869153280
    See:
    Jews, Church & Civilization, Volume IV, pp. 139-141.
    http://bit.ly/2uRLtPz
    https://books.google.com/books?id=Wn7s2bqwM7QC&pg=PA141&lpg=PA141&dq=%22opus+dei%22+%22chabad%22&source=bl&ots=mHGlntmslR&sig=zKTGNN4UbaC79WVPqe6PUWdAtSY&hl=en&sa=X&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=%22opus%20dei%22%20%22chabad%22&f=false
     
    Sol A. Rosenblatt, mob lawyer, Hollywood (film) attorney, arbitrator for the New York garment industry, and prominent divorce lawyer helped Opus (Ju)Dei set up 1st center in Boston, the Trimount House.
    https://twitter.com/HereIsJorge/status/991128265485058048
     
    Sol A. Rosenblatt was was Chief Counsel to Opus (Ju) Dei.
    https://books.google.com/books?id=CpLIitzYb3kC&pg=PA185&lpg=PA185&dq=sol+rosenblatt+mafia&source=bl&ots=VjXYMMzZsI&sig=jZ90ZogjxGn43EzaCEDYC9dHn-s&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjCwcfSruPaAhUF54MKHZ7GCOkQ6AEIPzAH#v=onepage&q&f=false
     
     
    “All the Men Behind the Opus Dei Curtain” (20 April 2017)
    https://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/2017/04/opus-dei.html
     
    A Response to E. Michael Jones with Follow-Up Questions by Randy Engel (10 July 2017)
    https://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/2017/07/all-is-fair-in-love-and-war-and-opus-dei.html
     
    Opus Dei Watch by Randy Engel (18 December 2017)
    https://akacatholic.com/opus-dei-watch/
     
    Opus Dei Watch – December Issue (26 December 2017)
    https://akacatholic.com/opus-dei-watch-december-issue/
     
    Opus Dei Watch – Jan. / Feb. – Part 1 (7 February 2018)
    https://akacatholic.com/opus-dei-watch-jan-feb-part-1/
     
    Opus Dei Watch – Jan. / Feb. – Part 2 (12 March 2018)
    https://akacatholic.com/opus-dei-watch-jan-feb-part-2/
     
    Opus Dei Watch – March Part 1 (4 April 2018)
    https://akacatholic.com/opus-dei-watch-march-part-1/
     
    Opus Dei Watch – March Part 2 (6 April 2018)
    https://akacatholic.com/opus-dei-watch-march-part-2/
     
    The Strange Case of Archbishop Nienstedt – Part One (30 August 2018)
    https://akacatholic.com/the-strange-case-of-archbishop-nienstedt-part-one/
     
    The Strange Case of Archbishop Nienstedt – Part Two (2 September 2019)
    https://akacatholic.com/the-strange-case-of-archbishop-nienstedt-part-two/
     
    A Rebuttal to Carlo Viganò on the Nienstedt Case (12 September 2018)
    https://akacatholic.com/a-rebuttal-to-carlo-vigano-on-the-nienstedt-case/
     
    Opus Dei Sex Abuse Case: An exclusive interview (24 September 2018)
    https://akacatholic.com/opus-dei-sex-abuse-case-an-exclusive-interview/
     
    Opus Dei’s Role in the Viganò Affair (11 December 2018)
    https://akacatholic.com/opus-deis-role-in-the-vigano-affair/
     
    Opus Dei Trial Ends with a Guilty Verdict (9 February 2019)
    https://akacatholic.com/opus-dei-trial-ends-with-a-guilty-verdict/
     
    Sexual Assault of a Child is a Crime! Don’t You bastards Understand That! (17 October 2019)
    https://akacatholic.com/sexual-assault-of-a-child-is-a-crime-dont-you-bastards-understand-that/

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    Re: Opus Dei’s Solution to Clerical Sex Abuse
    « Reply #6 on: August 09, 2019, 09:44:46 PM »
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  • I’m not sure how to put a YouTube on here, but I prefer Fr. Isaac Mary Relyea’s solution to sex offenders, especially if they’re bishops or cardinals.  He said in a conference, that if he were Pope, he’d have his secretary summon the man to the Vatican.  The man would come, expecting an award or promotion.  When he comes before Fr. Isaac, he’d order the Swiss Guards to chain him up and throw him in the dungeon.  For a month he’d get bread and water and a daily scourging.  Then he’d bring him out, give him a day to make a general confession and save his soul before being put to death.  
    Everyone laughed, but Fr. Isaac was serious.

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    Re: Opus Dei’s Solution to Clerical Sex Abuse
    « Reply #7 on: August 10, 2019, 01:20:02 AM »
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  • I’m not sure how to put a YouTube on here, but I prefer Fr. Isaac Mary Relyea’s solution to sex offenders, especially if they’re bishops or cardinals.  He said in a conference, that if he were Pope, he’d have his secretary summon the man to the Vatican.  The man would come, expecting an award or promotion.  When he comes before Fr. Isaac, he’d order the Swiss Guards to chain him up and throw him in the dungeon.  For a month he’d get bread and water and a daily scourging.  Then he’d bring him out, give him a day to make a general confession and save his soul before being put to death.  
    Everyone laughed, but Fr. Isaac was serious.
    Perfect.


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    Re: Opus Dei’s Solution to Clerical Sex Abuse
    « Reply #8 on: August 12, 2019, 02:22:14 PM »
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  • I found more info on the Opus Dei cult. Below is a photo of Members of the Opus Dei  Cult Shown Bowing to their Leader Escriva




    And here of portions of the article, link provided below.

    I am sure that in your research you became, like me, very disturbed by the fundamental nature of Opus Dei which does not appear to be reconcilable with the Catholic Faith. The more I studied the problem, the more self-evident it was. I believe that much of the confusion about this prelature is in the absence of the documentation which is supposed to fundament it. There is not only the absence of any constitution that, if published at all, is in Latin . . .

    To know your duties as a member of Opus Dei, natural reason is by necessity suspended, and for this reason members are more inclined to turn over their wills to the Dr. Frankenstein who designed this artificially constructed "new form" using dialectical constructs . . . Is this not a plausible explanation for the zombie-like qualities and the Pavlovian gestures, so visible in its membership?  . . .

    The accoutrements of Catholicism are used and used wrongly, and with the documentation missing, the only thing that we have that informs us that it is not Catholic is the traditional teaching of the Church, our only guide in judging this "new form." .

    Considering their stronghold in Rome, . . . not popular and universal, but elitist and exclusive, another trait of talmudic Judaism. . . .do not reflect but distort clear Catholic doctrine.

    Even the Divinity of Our Lord Jesus Christ, who Escriva teaches was not more than one of his most loved Jews . . . age-old plot of infiltration to destroy their greatest nemesis and obstacle to their quest for worldly power – the Catholic Church..

    http://www.opusdeialert.com/modernistcult.htm.
    Stop and think about it, TFP/TIA are quite similar to Opus Dei.
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    Re: Opus Dei’s Solution to Clerical Sex Abuse
    « Reply #9 on: August 12, 2019, 02:34:57 PM »
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  • I found more info on the Opus Dei cult. Below is a photo of Members of the Opus Dei  Cult Shown Bowing to their Leader Escriva




    Their bodies are clearly orientated in another direction, and they are not kneeling/bowing to the picture of Escriva.  And I am no fan of Opus Dei.

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    Re: Opus Dei’s Solution to Clerical Sex Abuse
    « Reply #10 on: August 12, 2019, 02:57:58 PM »
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  • Psycho Cera at it again.


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    Re: Opus Dei’s Solution to Clerical Sex Abuse
    « Reply #11 on: August 13, 2019, 03:42:13 PM »
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  • If what I said is false, point out the error. If what I said is true, why do you strike me?

    Interesting discussion comparing Opus Dei and TFP here:
    https://catholictruthblog.com/2016/07/04/is-tradition-family-property-a-cult/
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    Re: Opus Dei’s Solution to Clerical Sex Abuse
    « Reply #12 on: August 13, 2019, 04:02:29 PM »
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  • More info on the association of TFP and Opus Dei here:

    The TFP was legally banned there (Venezuela) on Nov. 13, 1984, following denunciations of  the  cult's  paramilitary training, inculcation of hatred of the Pope, and brainwashing methods of young recruits, by ex -members, parents of members, and government officials. Church and government concern over TFP activities in Venezuela has continued, even after the banning.

    In December, eight members of Opus Dei, whose leaders in  Venezuela· had been  pressuring for TFP members to be placed beside the Pope on the reviewing stand during his visit, were removed from the Church's organizing committee for the Pope's trip.

    During the investigation into the TFP, according to some sources, the head of the Opus Dei in Venezuela, Jose Rodriguez Iturbe, had attempted to protect both the TFP and the Gnostic Church, which runs the Colombian branch of the "left" guerrilla movement, the M-19. . . . Colombian Gnostic Church, which had been exposed as the protectors of the M-19 guerrillas and the drug-trade


    https://larouchepub.com/eiw/public/1985/eirv12n05-19850205/eirv12n05-19850205_024-gnostic_sects_ready_attack_on_th.pdf
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    Re: Opus Dei’s Solution to Clerical Sex Abuse
    « Reply #13 on: August 15, 2019, 01:01:10 AM »
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  • If what I said is false, point out the error. If what I said is true, why do you strike me?

    Interesting discussion comparing Opus Dei and TFP here:
    https://catholictruthblog.com/2016/07/04/is-tradition-family-property-a-cult/
    This link does not compare OD with TFP.

    I must agree with Pax that you are seem to be unbalanced in trying to twist this thread into an attack of TPF.

    Maybe you neeed to start yet another thread for your purposes.

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    Re: Opus Dei’s Solution to Clerical Sex Abuse
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  • This link does not compare OD with TFP.

    You may disagree with the discussion comparing TFP with Opus Dei; but to say the link does not compare the two groups? Here are excerpts from the link I posted.

    https://catholictruthblog.com/2016/07/04/is-tradition-family-property-a-cult/

    Petrus says:   
        July 5, 2016 at 3:05 pm
        Apart from their daft views on Fatima, the TFP tend to target a specific type of young man. They are usually well presented, intelligent but subservient. It’s a bit like Opus Dei in that regard. Definitely a cult.

            RCA Victor says:   
            July 5, 2016 at 3:12 pm
            Petrus,
            I was actually wondering whether there was any connection between TFP and Opus Dei, as they sound like the same type of organization.


                Athanasius says:    
                July 5, 2016 at 3:20 pm
                RCA Victor,
                At least Opus Dei only requires a vow of celibacy of its priests. The TFP require it of young laymen who don’t intend to take holy orders. Nothing wrong with celibacy in the single state, which is a requirement of the divine law, but tying young men to such a vow seems to me to be encouraging a depreciation of the Sacrament of Matrimony in the minds of young Catholics.
     
                 

                    Athanasius
                    Opus Dei require their Numerary and Associate members, both male and female, to be celibate. Supernumeraries can be married.
                    However, I do have slightly more time for Opus Dei. It doesn’t quite seem so odd as the TFP.

               I don’t know any TFP members but I have a friend who knows some of them and she says they have a very unhealthy attitude to women. There’s a danger that dysfunctional young men would be attracted to that sort of lifestyle. There won’t be the same checks and balances you’d get in a Religious House/Monastery.

                What’s the point of it? If young men want to live a celibate life and not marry, why not be a priest or religious brother? I can’t see the point of it at all. I know there have been attempts to set up lay houses in the past but I’ve never heard of any that were success stories. One that was a scandal, but no successes.
      
        I also seem to recall many years ago that they wanted to start some kind of Catholic village in Spain to separate themselves from sinful world. Well that certainly isn’t the Catholic spirit, which is militant in trying to convert sinners. Anyway, it all fell through eventually.

        All this parading around with big banners and capes trying to resurrect the spirit of the Crusades is madness. They’re all nuts! The Crusades era was one of great licentiousness in behaviour, in literature, in warfare and in many other ways. Yes, there were also very great saints and holy religious, but it wasn’t the glorious Catholic era that these nutters make it out to be. There were many immoralities around then.

        I think it all stems from a grave misunderstanding of the lay apostolate and how far it can go in matters of social justice without clerical guidance and direction, what we might call the supernatural element. The TFP, as far as I know, does not subject itself to the Church’s authority. It is an autonomous body of lay people taking upon itself a “crusade” of counter-revolution to re-establish in the world the reign of Christ the King. But that can only come through Our Lady’s triumph, not through lay social action. At least it explains why they misrepresent the message of Fatima to play down the urgency of a Papal/Episcopal consecration of Russia to Our Lady’s Immaculate Heart.

        I thought I’d check to see what, if anything, the TFP / ANF thought of Father Gruner RIP. I was disappointed, although not surprised, to find that they were among the chorus of voices spreading the falsehood about Fr Gruner being “a suspended priest” with EWTN helping all the way.

        I’m afraid, Neil, that the more I’m learning about the TFP the more concerned I become. I would (and will) do everything I can to prevent the young men in my family ever becoming involved with them.
        Athanasius says:   

        I don’t know their position now, but at one time members of the TFP wouldn’t attend the Novus Ordo Mass but would stand outside a church while it was being celebrated and at Communion would go in, receive the Host, and then leave. I could never understand why, if they had a problem with the Novus Ordo, would they think it was ok to receive Communion at it. I have been told that they attend Mass celebrated by Opus Dei priests and I assume it is Novus Ordo so perhaps they have changed their stance.

      
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