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Offline LaramieHirsch

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Opus Dei: Good? Bad? Why?
« on: May 24, 2017, 01:05:48 PM »
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  • Why is Opus Dei bad?  

    1. Is it bad because it's an organization that seeks to accuмulate money and power?  

    2. Is it bad for Catholics or a Catholic organizations in general to accuмulate money and power?  

    Please help me with these two questions.

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    Re: Opus Dei: Good? Bad? Why?
    « Reply #1 on: May 24, 2017, 03:17:02 PM »
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  • Opus Dei is similar to other church-within-a-church "ecclesial movements" like Neocatechumenal Way, Communion & Liberation, Knights of Columbus, etc.

    Look at Opus Dei's founder, too; he's a new-"saint" for a new "church".
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    Re: Opus Dei: Good? Bad? Why?
    « Reply #2 on: May 24, 2017, 03:31:57 PM »
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  • 1. Is it bad because it's an organization that seeks to accuмulate money and power? 
    2. Is it bad for Catholics or a Catholic organizations in general to accuмulate money and power? 
    Re: #1: No. It's bad because it's Modernist.
    Re: #2: Of course not, else founding a church would be a sin.
    The Knights Templar, for example, started off orthodox, accuмulated wealth to fund the crusades (basically creating the first international banking system), but unfortunately they later started getting corrupted and being involved in occult rituals (which is what most people today think the Templars were).
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    Re: Opus Dei: Good? Bad? Why?
    « Reply #3 on: May 24, 2017, 04:12:42 PM »
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  • Okay.  So Opus Dei is bad for who it is, not for what it is?
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    Re: Opus Dei: Good? Bad? Why?
    « Reply #4 on: May 24, 2017, 05:05:08 PM »
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    Re: Opus Dei: Good? Bad? Why?
    « Reply #5 on: May 24, 2017, 06:00:47 PM »
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  • A note of interest: Opus Dei does not have a Catholic image. Look at this link 

    http://www.odan.org/foundations.htm

    and you will see they never use a Catholic name for their institutions (unless they take over an already named parish). They use names like Tangara and Redcliffe - names that nobody would associate with the Catholic Church.

    They are a secret society and hide themselves from view as Catholics. But they are literally everywhere. Insidious. Their methods are cultish because they are a cult with some very high flying members, in both religious and secular circles. 

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    Re: Opus Dei: Good? Bad? Why?
    « Reply #6 on: May 24, 2017, 07:30:54 PM »
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  • Okay.  So Opus Dei is bad for who it is, not for what it is?
    How did you interpret that from what I wrote?
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    Re: Opus Dei: Good? Bad? Why?
    « Reply #7 on: May 24, 2017, 08:20:37 PM »
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  • How did you interpret that from what I wrote?
    Genuine misunderstanding.  Plus, it often seems people dislike it for what it is.  For example:
    A note of interest: Opus Dei does not have a Catholic image. Look at this link

    They are a secret society and hide themselves from view as Catholics. But they are literally everywhere. Insidious. Their methods are cultish because they are a cult with some very high flying members, in both religious and secular circles.


    I'm not so sure I oppose a Catholic secret society.  We need power.  
    So, if people dislike Opus Dei for having money, power, influence, and secrecy...I'm not so sure I oppose that.  
    However, if the organization is modernist or something, then that's a different story.  
    I want us Catholics to have a stronghold, damnit.
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    Re: Opus Dei: Good? Bad? Why?
    « Reply #8 on: May 24, 2017, 11:10:09 PM »
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  • "...they are a cult with some very high flying members, in both religious and secular circles. "

    Yep, and you'll often find that the question is whether they want you, not whether you want them. A very closed society. People with lesser qualifications (in their eyes) are only good for washing dishes and changing the bed linens.

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    Re: Opus Dei: Good? Bad? Why?
    « Reply #9 on: May 24, 2017, 11:27:39 PM »
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  • Laramie - make straight the way of the Lord.  Opus dei does not do that.  They sacrifice substance for accident.  And, that is one of our biggest problems.  It is also the reason for their secrecy.  
    "A secure mind is like a continual feast" - Proverbs xv: 15

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    Re: Opus Dei: Good? Bad? Why?
    « Reply #10 on: May 24, 2017, 11:28:55 PM »
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  • The purpose for Opus Dei is for its members to live the holiness that God calls them to live in the world. It helps many people. Liberals have a tendency to dislike them because of their success. Apparently they are not for everyone. 


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    Re: Opus Dei: Good? Bad? Why?
    « Reply #11 on: May 25, 2017, 12:16:26 AM »
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  • They sacrifice substance for accident.  And, that is one of our biggest problems.  It is also the reason for their secrecy.  
    PG, what do mean by "sacrifice substance for accident"? Can you explain and expound on that, please.
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    Re: Opus Dei: Good? Bad? Why?
    « Reply #12 on: May 25, 2017, 01:34:49 AM »
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  • PG, what do mean by "sacrifice substance for accident"? Can you explain and expound on that, please.
    I agree.  That's an intriguing statement.  What does it mean?
    I also asked this question over at Catholic Answers for giggles.  I'll post the replies here later.
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    Re: Opus Dei: Good? Bad? Why?
    « Reply #13 on: May 25, 2017, 10:03:29 AM »
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  • Opus Dei usually seeks membership among professionals or the well heeled.
    It's also a secret society and Our Lord was always against secrets.
     "No man lighteth a candle, and putteth it in a hidden place, nore under a bushel; but upon a candlestick, that they that come in, may see the light". 


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    Octopus Dei, doing the work of Antichrist since 1952...
    « Reply #14 on: May 25, 2017, 03:48:41 PM »
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  •  Let's see, Opus Dei's founder, Fr Eschriva... during the Last Crusade when Spanish priests were dying for the faith, this guy chickened out and hid in an insane asylum, where he did a very good job convincing the Commies he was loony as 10 hours of Bugs Bunny. 

    When it comes to sacrificing substance for accident, I am reminded of those old Canon camera commercials where this professional photographer proclaims that "Image is Everything".  A good example of sacrificing substance for accidents is the New York Times, which really does not have anything to say but says it with very glitzy pictures and flashy prose.

    It is bad to accuмulate money and power.  The St Paul tells us that Our Lord Jesus Christ did not deem equality with God as something to be grasped, but rather emptied himself, taking the form of a slave.  When we try to accuмulated money and power we are either evil or seeking evil under the appearance of good, as per the exercises of St Ignatius of Loyola.

    One of the reason we are in this mess is because many people do not trust in God, including the popes, and feel they must be relevant to the modern world rather than Faith and Tradition.

    Our Lord tells us not to worry about the future or material things.  Yes, we must act prudently according to our duties of state, but we must never fall prey to disordered cares, that we would compromise our ideals to attain material things.

    Moreover, wealth is a burden.  Just ask anybody who has a boat, or an extra car or cottage, how much they love keeping it clean and etc... :P

    As fir Octopus Dei, by their fruits do we know them, and they have more fruits and nuts than California.
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