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Author Topic: Opus Dei: Good? Bad? Why?  (Read 6241 times)

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Re: Secrecy is always bad, except in the confessional...
« Reply #35 on: June 03, 2017, 05:48:04 AM »
Interesting quote:
"In my opinion, this is why Opus Dei is bad.  Not because it is an organization that is secret, and not because Opus Dei is pseudo-secret about itself. "
Secrecy always gives rise to speculation, rumors, gossip, hearsay, etc.  I knew the SSPX was on its way down when Bishop Fellay started doing "negotiations" in secret.  The truth never operates in secret.  Our Lord told the Jews: " I have spoken openly to the world: I have always taught in the ѕуηαgσgυє, and in the temple, whither all the Jews resort; and in secret I have spoken nothing."
If only "Catholic" organizations would have such a policy.
The same problem exists within the Knights of Columbus.  All these secrets is just immaturity masquerading as sophistication.  I just wish these people would grow up.
Wrong.
The Hebrews had to keep political and military secrets throughout Scriptures.  Esther kept a secret when she hid her nationality, enabling her to save her people.  "A man of understanding holds his tongue," according to Proverbs.  God keeps secrets from us.  Christ asked His disciples to keep some miracles secret.  The priest keeps our secrets in the confessional.
An organization that keeps no confidence, is always an open book to everyone, and wears its intentions on its sleeve is destined for destruction.  
The Maryland colony's Catholics failed to keep private and have a vetting process for Protestants, leading to the Catholic sanctuary's demise.  Same goes for Dr. John McLoughlin's mistakes when he lost Oregon Country to Protestant American settlers--losing a potential Catholic power base in the Northwest.   
Even our Holy Mother asked three children to keep secrets at Fatima.  

Re: Opus Dei: Good? Bad? Why?
« Reply #36 on: June 03, 2017, 07:31:31 AM »
There is nothing evil per se in secrecy. It is like a knife or a gun - which can used for good purpose or for evil. It all depends on what you do with it, and for what purpose you use it.
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Openness is the way to win friends. Secrecy, as WW says, gives rise to speculation, rumors, gossip, hearsay, etc, but not always
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We know why the early Christians secreted themselves in catacombs etc. For them it was a matter of life and death. It was never so they could climb in society and make lots of money and gain power. That is not the sort of things genuine folk do, if they are disciples of Jesus, who had nowhere to lay His head. It is not the way to conquer nations for Christ. 

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There were, of course, rich Christians in those early days, who provided their homes converting them to Churches. Neither is there evil in riches, provided  they are used responsibly and generously for the Kingdom.

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Re: Opus Dei: Good? Bad? Why?
« Reply #37 on: June 03, 2017, 08:09:07 AM »
...Christians secreted themselves in catacombs etc. For them it was a matter of life and death. It was never so they could climb in society and make lots of money and gain power. That is not the sort of things genuine folk do, if they are disciples of Jesus, who had nowhere to lay His head. It is not the way to conquer nations for Christ....
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It's an excellent way to conquer nations for Christ.  In fact, there are many different ways to conquer nations for Christ.  Secretly mobilizing resources is a battle tactic in war.  And it's far "kinder" than slaughtering men, women, and children in order to conquer, as is done by the Hebrews in the Old Testament.  

Being a gullible organization that tries to make friends with everyone, being discreet about nothing (Bishop Fellay, anyone?), will only lead to being metaphorically "shot in the back of the head" by the "moderates" who eventually betray you.  You will not win a long-term cultural war by constantly playing defense.  Catholics will forever be the loser in the social spaces.  And accepting that fate in politics and society, rather than work towards a constructive new paradigm that is Catholic, is a shitty thing to do to one's children and descendants.

Even the saint kings had wealth and power.  And I highly doubt they wore every thought on their sleeve when it came to their policies.  

Should there ever be an effort among Catholics to attempt to retake control of the West in pieces or in whole, a great mobilization will have to occur, and not all of the operations should be revealed to our enemies.  Attaining money and power for the sake of money and power is, of course, wrong.  The cause should be to restore Christendom--and not as the modernists see it.  

But a Traditional Catholic political organization or movement being gleefully open about its every maneuver will ensure that Catholics have a boot on their neck until the Chastisement, and guarantees that Christendom will have no chance of blooming until God Himself kills off all the baddies for us.  

Sitting around and waiting for the Catholic Rapture isn't, exactly, something we should be doing.  We should be working to win over people in our personal lives, but also politically and socially.  The latter requires strength.  Strength of resources, but also the strength of will...which most Catholics lack.