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Offline Maria Regina

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« on: January 19, 2016, 03:10:43 PM »
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  • Some of my friends are members of the Opus Dei, or rather, attend Opus Dei retreats and have as a confessor a priest who is a member of Opus Dei. And they obey him blindly without questioning anything.

    These folks are not concerned with what the Pope is doing. They just pray for him, try to pray unceasingly, and above all follow the teaching of St. Matthew, "Judge Not."

    Matthew 6:34 - 7:1-5 (Douay-Rheims) states:

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    Be not therefore solicitous for to morrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof.

    JUDGE not, that you may not be judged,

    For with what judgment you judge, you shall be judged: and with what measure you mete, it shall be measured to you again.

    But why lookest thou on the mote that is in the eye of thy brother, but observest not the beam that is in thine eye?

    Or how sayest thou to thy brother: Let me cast the mote out of thy eye; and behold a beam is in thy own eye?

    Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam in thy own eye, and then shalt thou see to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.


    Does St. Matthew tell us to check our reasoning out the door when we are baptized?
    This does not seem to be the case.

    Remember our Church history: Did not St. Nicholas of Myra slap Arius across the face when Arias proclaimed that there was a time when Jesus Christ was not God?

    Our Ecuмenical Councils were held to judge and condemn folks like Arius.

    So what does "Judge Not" really mean?



    Lord have mercy.


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    « Reply #1 on: January 19, 2016, 03:38:46 PM »
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  • Isn't this sort of thinking what got us all into this post Vatican II mess in the first place?
    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)


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    « Reply #2 on: January 19, 2016, 04:12:17 PM »
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  • I have to go back in memory to a religion class in the early 1960's.
    "Judge Not" means unjust and unfounded judgments without the
    facts. This is the most common sin. People hear something through
    gossip and hearsay and repeat it. The person or persons that it aimed
    at suffers the destruction of his name and his reputation. It is best
    not to pass on anything heard from a gossiping person. Also, it would
    be advisable not to repeat anything from a hearsay source.
    We have to be constantly be on guard what is said today about our
    religion. There is obvious heresy and error everywhere.  This has
    to be condemned.
    In the time of Arias in the 5th Century, there was no internet, many
    people could not read and write. However, they knew their faith
    better than the faithful today. A heretical Priest would be called
    down on his pulpit and the town square teaching heresies.
    Majority of Bishops whom were educated went along the heresies
    of Arias. The church survived by the faithful whom many could
    not read and write calling these heretics down.
    I would not have anything to do with the Opus Dei.

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    « Reply #3 on: January 19, 2016, 05:03:43 PM »
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  • To RC 1513--I can't figure out yet sending a private message, but I'm very curious if you're still thinking about selling books and having any luck.  I have attended a couple Opus Dei meetings, met some very interesting people, and didn't see any problem, except that some of the founder's quotations are far beyond me.

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    « Reply #4 on: January 19, 2016, 05:20:09 PM »
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  • I have no books to sell.

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    « Reply #5 on: January 19, 2016, 06:28:21 PM »
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  • Quote from: eschator83
    To RC 1513--I can't figure out yet sending a private message, but I'm very curious if you're still thinking about selling books and having any luck.  I have attended a couple Opus Dei meetings, met some very interesting people, and didn't see any problem, except that some of the founder's quotations are far beyond me.


    You need to be with us a week or so before you can use the message system.

    I'm sure there are interesting people in all sorts of places, including cults like Opus Dei. Maybe you need to brush up on your traditional Catholicism. Opus Dei is newchurch predating Vatican 2. You might even say it helped usher in newchurch.

    Seeing you didn't see any problem you could find this website helpful.  http://www.odan.org/what_is_opus_dei.htm
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    Offline Neil Obstat

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    « Reply #6 on: January 19, 2016, 09:58:03 PM »
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  • Quote from: Maria Regina

    Some of my friends are members of the Opus Dei, or rather, attend Opus Dei retreats and have as a confessor a priest who is a member of Opus Dei. And they obey him blindly without questioning anything.


    Opus Dei is all about obedience.

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    « Reply #7 on: January 21, 2016, 05:07:14 PM »
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  • Links to supporting news articles at that ODAN website are ten years old or older and lead nowhere. The website must have been a reaction to the DaVinci Code movie and nothing else.

    I do know an Opus Dei member, must be a small world. Strange. I will leave it at that.


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    « Reply #8 on: January 23, 2016, 08:58:11 AM »
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  • Quote from: Neil Obstat
    Quote from: Maria Regina

    Some of my friends are members of the Opus Dei, or rather, attend Opus Dei retreats and have as a confessor a priest who is a member of Opus Dei. And they obey him blindly without questioning anything.


    Opus Dei is all about obedience.

    But obedience to the organization, as Nadir said:

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    I'm sure there are interesting people in all sorts of places, including cults like Opus Dei. .....you could find this website helpful.  http://www.odan.org/what_is_opus_dei.htm


    One of the biggest tip-offs to its cultishness is the founder himself, who pretended, not unlike the current person claiming the Seat of Peter, to have invented or discovered some "new" aspect of Catholicism.

    Obedience (or the lack of it) dates to The Garden of Eden.  Escriva so did not invent it, despite a highly cultish clip of him I saw years ago on EWTN, smiling in his smarmy way, telling a simple woman who was (also) repeating the obvious about sanctifying her work, that she was some kind of saint and had received special, even unique, illumination for recognizing the obvious.

    Then we saw him on camera encouraging others in the room in their adulation of him.  Very transparent and a raw celebration of the Capital Sin of Pride.

    I can't imagine why the Church would ever endorse, let alone promote, let alone canonize, such a transparent fame-seeker, but as maybe more than one person has said here, it was a symptom of already ill dynamics within the core of the Church will allowed this and which continues to be blinded by all kinds of un-new "movements" which mimic the syncretism and falsities of the modern secular age.

    The organization should be put on the Index.

    You can read a lot about a whole number of controversies about Escriva himself on wiki.  Here's only one of many examples:
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    According to María del Carmen Tapia, who worked with Escrivá in Rome, the founder of Opus Dei had "no respect" for Popes John XXIII or Paul VI and believed that his own organization of Opus Dei was "above the Church in holiness."[48] According to Moncada, Escrivá's years in Rome were dedicated in large part to his campaign to make Opus Dei independent from the authority of the diocesan bishops and the Vatican curia, something which was finally achieved, after Escrivá's death, with the establishment in 1982, under Pope John Paul II, of Opus Dei as a personal prelature, subject only to its own prelate and to the Pope.


    This is what is known as a "charismatic," and not in any positive or supposedly infused-with-the-Holy-Ghost way.

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    « Reply #9 on: January 23, 2016, 09:01:19 AM »
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  • Quote from: Jovita
    Links to supporting news articles at that ODAN website are ten years old or older and lead nowhere. The website must have been a reaction to the DaVinci Code movie and nothing else.


    Given what I have read about him in sources other than ODAN, the website appears to have been a reaction not limited to the DaVinci Code.

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    « Reply #10 on: January 23, 2016, 10:31:07 AM »
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  • Some years ago (about 1995), I attended one Opus Dei meeting, out of curiosity.  I found out all I needed to know in one day.  No, thank you.

    There were several very odd things I saw, with the members present all behaving as though everything was normal, so in this way I knew that these oddities are par for the course.  One was rather prominent:  while gathered in a chapel, the group heard a sermon by a priest, and at the end there was a prayer.  

    Josemaría Escrivá de Balaguer y Albás (born José María Mariano Escriba Albás), d. 1975, was known as "our Father," being considered as a sort of possession by the Opus Dei organization.  In this context, at the start of this prayer after the sermon, the group spontaneously said in a loud voice the first two words thereof:  

    "OUR FATHER, who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name.  Thy kingdom come, thy will be done, on earth as it is in heaven..." etc.  I noticed several of the more prominent members, sitting up in front, turning their heads and grinning knowingly at each other while they said "Our Father..."

    Another very curious phenomenon is how the whole group (about 30 men) behaved in regards to a new prospective member (me!):  While the group socialized for a period of about 20 minutes with donuts and coffee, I was approached in turn by 3 different men who introduced themselves, each with a particular purpose in mind.  The principal point was they were hoping to obtain my BUSINESS CARD, which would be the means by which they would identify my line of work.  This obtaining of my business card was a very SERIOUS affair.  They tried to make it seem like a game or something fun.  Even so, I did not give them my business card.  They seemed rather put off by this failed agenda.  

    Later, I read up on stories that ex-Opus Dei members had to say about how it's run.  Their goal is to get each member to the point of donating 10% of their business income, off the top, to Opus Dei by way of a formal agreement, a process which begins with each member giving them their business card!  When I read that, I was pleased with myself for having been so prudent as to not hand one over to them even though they were so fixated on making that happen.

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    « Reply #11 on: January 23, 2016, 10:39:00 AM »
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  • I saw some stuff on them at a weekly retreat for free in 1989.
    I went to several only due to car ride. I had sense some of it
    was going off key from tradition so i did not try to go back .

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    « Reply #12 on: January 23, 2016, 02:46:37 PM »
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  • Neil said:
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    The principal point was they were hoping to obtain my BUSINESS CARD, which would be the means by which they would identify my line of work.


    Yes, Opus Dei is an apostolate to the rich and educated. They are specially marked out. Though of course all are welcome because they also need servants.

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    I do know an Opus Dei member, must be a small world. Strange.


    I am pretty sure with your history in the Catholic Church you know more than one. Remember that Opus Dei is a secret organisation, and many people do not publish their membership. (Think of Masons...). Even their institutions and establishments do not have Catholic names but are disguised with obscure-to-the-rest-of-us titles. Run your eye down this list and see if Opus Dei identifies as Catholic. http://www.odan.org/foundations.htm

    Who cares if ODAN is not updated. What it has published is useful information. Truth doesn't need to be updated.
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    « Reply #13 on: January 27, 2016, 08:50:38 PM »
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  • They say Escriva was the hidden Father of the V2 Council...guess who opened the door wide for him when he first visited, to hijack, Rome?

    [From an O.D. cult website]:

    "The first words of affection and encouragement Father Escriva heard in Rome in 1946 were from Monsignor Giovanni Battista Montini, an intelligent, sensitive Italian from Brescia who, since the end of the Second World War, had been involved in the delicate task of renewing the Vatican’s diplomatic relations." (...)

    "They soon began to look for a place which would serve as the permanent headquarters of Opus Dei. Monsignors Montini ... suggested to Father Escriva that he should settle near the Holy See, should set up house, “a big house”, they said, in Rome."
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    As an anti-OD book so rightfully states, regarding its deceitful name, "Work of God":

    "Is it necessary to imagine a worse blasphemy or -- in other words -- a more impertinent deceit"

    Is this not, also, a sample of the ferocious and eternal fight of Judaism against Christ's Church?"
    "More souls go to Hell because of sins of the flesh than for any other reason." -Our Lady of Fatima, to Jacinta Marto

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    « Reply #14 on: January 28, 2016, 12:17:29 AM »
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  • We are supposed to be Catholic in all we do everyday without being a member of Opus Dei.
    May God bless you and keep you