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Offline drphil

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So, sometimes when I have a free moment I like to look up statistics, demographics, climate, housing prices etc. looking for areas I may find to be suitable to move to in the future. Of course, that also includes looking at what the Church has to offer in the region. I came across the Saint Benedict Center in Harvard, Mass. in the Diocese of Worcester. I've read from the wiki after browsing their site (they have a K-12 school ran by the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart, Sisters specifically, and some lay men) that they were founded by Fr. Feeney, THE FR. FEENEY. Supposedly they have since reconciled with Rome so are no longer Feenyites and have a good relationship with the Diocesan Bishop as I saw a video of him, Bishop Robert J. McManus, giving them praise. They claim to be dedicated to the Traditional Latin Mass as well as Traditional Catholic Education.

Funny side note: the tone of the wiki article referring to them as "increasingly isolated" despite having increasing enrollments, I find to be a pattern that's amusing, the media and Reddit-tier mouth breathers on wiki viewing all things "traditional" Catholic as being on par with extremist evangelical cults I infer from the tone of their writing. Similar language is used when the media or wiki posts information about St. Mary's, Kansas, being that it's almost completely populated by SSPX laity and large families within a short time span... "isolated" lol. Anyway, I am always curious and wondering if anyone has insights or opinions anything regarding the Church and its groups in these confusing times.
Had another post in mind as well, a completely different subject that I was wanting to post about. It came to me while I was working today, but now I'm blanking on it. :facepalm:

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  • Au contraire! The Still River community (really communities -- St. Benedict Center, St. Anne House, and St. Benedict Abbey -- but I know that you are referring to "the Center") has regularised with the Diocese of Worcester but they remain very committed to the Dogma (Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus) and to the memory of Fr. Leonard Feeney and Sr. Catherine Goddard Clarke. They remain Feeneyite -- whatever that may mean -- whilst operating within the Novus Ordo as an Ecclesia Dei community.

    At one time I was giving very serious consideration to entering the Brothers of the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary. They are very committed to the Dogma even if they are not as vocal as the Slaves community at Richmond, NH, of which more will follow shortly. Keep in mind that the Dogma is distinct though related to the issue of BOD and BOB which arose as a controversial issue much later than the canonical penalties enacted against Fr. Leonard and the Center.

    The Center is a dual community, both men and women, although they live on opposite sides of the Still River Road. The superior is Br. Thomas Augustine, MICM. The Center chapel is one of the TLM centres for the Worcester Diocese.

    St. Anne House is a small community of elderly female Slaves. These sisters were generally Slaves from days of Fr. Leonard and Sr. Catherine. They too keep faithful to the Dogma. They are distinct from the female members of the Slaves at the Center. Their religious habit is slightly different from the sisters of the Center.

    St. Benedict Abbey uses the Novus Ordo liturgy (in Latin) and merely honors the memory of Fr. Leonard without holding to the Dogma in its strict understanding.

    Finally, we come to the Slaves of Richmond, NH, which is also known as the Saint Benedict Center, or "the Center". Like Still River, this is a dual community with Br. Andre Marie, MICM. The habits of the Richmond Slaves is distinctly different from the Still River Slaves, and the Richmond Center is very vocal in its commitment to the Dogma. The Richmond community has a daughter house in Vienna, OH. The Richmond Slaves community had its origins at the time when the unity of the Still River foundation exploded over the question of regularising with the Diocese, use of the Novus Ordo liturgy, and the election of a successor to Fr. Leonard. The Richmond Slaves were under the leadership of Br. Francis, MICM (Dr. Fakhri Maluf), who was the logical successor to Fr. Leonard while a large group of Slaves elected to follow Br. Thomas Augustine as the new superior.

    And one addendum -- There is also the Saint Benedict Center-West located in the Los Angeles area. This community was led by the late Br. Leonard Mary. It currently consists of two brothers, one of whom is on an extended stay in Europe. It too has its origins in the division that emerged over leadership to succeed Fr. Leonard.

    But, all-in-all, to be a Slave is to be committed to the doctrinal crusade of Fr. Leonard Feeney and Sr. Catherine Goddard Clarke, proclaiming that outside the Catholic Church one cannot be saved and one must be subject to the Church and the Roman Pontiff in order to be saved.
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  • Unless there is a traditional chapel with valid sacraments nearby I wouldn't recommend moving near any of the communities, as they either celebrate the Novus Ordo or have NO priests celebrate the Latin Mass.

     Boggles the mind that there is not a strict-EENS traditional group with valid sacraments, aside from a single chapel here and there :confused:
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  • Unless there is a traditional chapel with valid sacraments nearby I wouldn't recommend moving near any of the communities, as they either celebrate the Novus Ordo or have NO priests celebrate the Latin Mass.

     Boggles the mind that there is not a strict-EENS traditional group with valid sacraments, aside from a single chapel here and there :confused:

    Indeed.  OK, I get it BoD / BoB ... St. Thomas, St. Alphonsus, St. Robert Bellarmine believed in it, and many Trads believe that the Council of Trent taught it.

    But somehow that controversy has become conflated with EENS.  One could in theory articulate an understanding of these (such as St. Robert Bellarmine limiting it to formal catechumens only) that does not gut Catholics ecclesiology.

    But the vast majority of Trads, especially the Trad clergy, blithely go around declaring that non-Catholics can be saved, not only heretics and schismatics, but even infidels.

    I really don't understand what their malfunction is.  That is in fact THE most fundamental error of Vatican II, the ecclesiology that results from the gutting of EENS.

    Many are so oblivious to the problem that when asked what the chief heresy of V2 is will immediately respond with "the new ecclesiology" ... while ironically holding the SAME ECCLESIOLOGY themselves.

    It's as if their brains are stuck in some vapor lock due to a cognitive dissonance.

    MAJOR:  No salvation outside the Church. [dogma]
    MINOR:  Heretics, schismatics, and even infidels can be saved. [their position]
    CONCLUSION:  Heretics, schismatics, and even infidels can be in the Church. [unavoidable from the premises]

    If you have to be in the Church in order to be saved, and we know you do since it's defined dogma, then if infidels et al. can be saved, it MUST be that they're in the Church somehow.

    THAT is in fact V2 ecclesiology in a nutshell, and all the V2 errors flow from it.

    If you were to convince me that heretics, schismatics, and infidels could be saved without first converting to the faith and joining the Church ... then I would immediately have to drop all opposition to the theology of Vatican II, as then it must be considered perfectly Catholic.  Even Religious Liberty flows directly from this, since once one subjetivizes faith, RL flows from that as an obvioius conclusion.

    MAJOR:  I have a right to please God and to save my souls.
    MINOR:  I please God and save my soul by following the lights of my [even erroneous] conscience.
    CONCLUSION:  I have a right to follow the lights of my [even erroneous] conscience.

    I'm absolutely befuddled by how all these otherwise intelligent men have become so dense to this.

    Interestingly, Karl "Anonymous Christian" Rahner actually marvelled that none of the conservative Fathers at V2 made a peep about what he (rightly) considered to be THE most dramatic and radical shift at V2, namely, what he euphemisticaly referred to as the "increasing hope of salvation for non-Catholics".  He was a Modernist, but nevertheless a brilliant man, well educated, and intellectually honest (admitted that the Church Fathers almost universally rejected BoD/BoB despite his having wanted to believe otherwise).

    Trads will denounce Rathner's "Anomymous Christian" out of one side of their mouths, and then spew their own version of "Anonymous Catholic" ecclesiology out of the other.

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  • You'll find that many of the most dogmatic SVs are the most rabid "haters" of Father Feeney and Feeneyism.

    Why would that be?

    Well, it's because in their battles with R&R, they've ended up going to the exact opposite extreme, where many exaggerate the scope of infallibility to absurd lengths, to a degree that not a single Catholic theologian after Vatican I and before V2 EVER held, to where a Pope is infallible every time he passes wind (through his lips and for some even otherwise) ... and therefore the suspicious so-called Suprema Haec for all intents and purposes might as well be a solemn dogmatic definition.


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  • You'll find that many of the most dogmatic SVs are the most rabid "haters" of Father Feeney and Feeneyism.

    Why would that be?

    Well, it's because in their battles with R&R, they've ended up going to the exact opposite extreme, where many exaggerate the scope of infallibility to absurd lengths, to a degree that not a single Catholic theologian after Vatican I and before V2 EVER held, to where a Pope is infallible every time he passes wind (through his lips and for some even otherwise) ... and therefore the suspicious so-called Suprema Haec for all intents and purposes might as well be a solemn dogmatic definition.
    What really makes me wonder, why is it that most trads believe calumny that was made up by the enemies of the Church against Father Feneey instead of believing a Catholic priest who publicly stood up for the Faith and called out the Church's enemies?

    Really makes you think :confused::confused::confused:

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  • I visited Connecticut. There was a priest there.  He was really kind and holy. 
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  • A word on usage when referring to Rev. Fr. Leonard E. Feeney, born February 18, 1897 at Lyn, Massachusetts --

    He is called "Fr. Feeney" generically; but once he had been expelled from the SJs and at become superior of the MICMs, he was called colloquially "Fr. Leonard" in the style of religious priests.

    The older way of referring to secular priests in English usage is "Rev./Mr./Dr." with surname, and religious priests were called "Fr." with name of religious profession:

    Rev. O'Reilly
    Mr. Smythe
    Dr. Saunders

    vs.

    Fr. Constance, OP
    Fr. Mary Joseph, OFM
    Fr. Gabriel, OSB (often "Dom" for "Dominus" rather than "Fr.)

    So... Fr. Leonard
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  • Au contraire! The Still River community (really communities -- St. Benedict Center, St. Anne House, and St. Benedict Abbey -- but I know that you are referring to "the Center") has regularised with the Diocese of Worcester but they remain very committed to the Dogma (Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus) and to the memory of Fr. Leonard Feeney and Sr. Catherine Goddard Clarke. They remain Feeneyite -- whatever that may mean -- whilst operating within the Novus Ordo as an Ecclesia Dei community.

    At one time I was giving very serious consideration to entering the Brothers of the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary. They are very committed to the Dogma even if they are not as vocal as the Slaves community at Richmond, NH, of which more will follow shortly. Keep in mind that the Dogma is distinct though related to the issue of BOD and BOB which arose as a controversial issue much later than the canonical penalties enacted against Fr. Leonard and the Center.

    The Center is a dual community, both men and women, although they live on opposite sides of the Still River Road. The superior is Br. Thomas Augustine, MICM. The Center chapel is one of the TLM centres for the Worcester Diocese.

    St. Anne House is a small community of elderly female Slaves. These sisters were generally Slaves from days of Fr. Leonard and Sr. Catherine. They too keep faithful to the Dogma. They are distinct from the female members of the Slaves at the Center. Their religious habit is slightly different from the sisters of the Center.

    St. Benedict Abbey uses the Novus Ordo liturgy (in Latin) and merely honors the memory of Fr. Leonard without holding to the Dogma in its strict understanding.

    Finally, we come to the Slaves of Richmond, NH, which is also known as the Saint Benedict Center, or "the Center". Like Still River, this is a dual community with Br. Andre Marie, MICM. The habits of the Richmond Slaves is distinctly different from the Still River Slaves, and the Richmond Center is very vocal in its commitment to the Dogma. The Richmond community has a daughter house in Vienna, OH. The Richmond Slaves community had its origins at the time when the unity of the Still River foundation exploded over the question of regularising with the Diocese, use of the Novus Ordo liturgy, and the election of a successor to Fr. Leonard. The Richmond Slaves were under the leadership of Br. Francis, MICM (Dr. Fakhri Maluf), who was the logical successor to Fr. Leonard while a large group of Slaves elected to follow Br. Thomas Augustine as the new superior.

    And one addendum -- There is also the Saint Benedict Center-West located in the Los Angeles area. This community was led by the late Br. Leonard Mary. It currently consists of two brothers, one of whom is on an extended stay in Europe. It too has its origins in the division that emerged over leadership to succeed Fr. Leonard.

    But, all-in-all, to be a Slave is to be committed to the doctrinal crusade of Fr. Leonard Feeney and Sr. Catherine Goddard Clarke, proclaiming that outside the Catholic Church one cannot be saved and one must be subject to the Church and the Roman Pontiff in order to be saved.
    Maybe I missed it, but is the NH community also regularized with the Novus Ordo sect?

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  • Maybe I missed it, but is the NH community also regularized with the Novus Ordo sect?
    No, the Richmond, NH community has no canonical standing although it does receive, from last I heard, the ministrations of a priest in good and full canonical standing with the Diocese of Manchester -- and this inspite of attacks by the Diocese with lots of bad blood.
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  • No, the Richmond, NH community has no canonical standing although it does receive, from last I heard, the ministrations of a priest in good and full canonical standing with the Diocese of Manchester -- and this inspite of attacks by the Diocese with lots of bad blood.
    OK, thanks.  I find the relationships of these communities with the NO quite strange given the NO's position on EENS.