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Only Bastardized Liturgy to be allowed in New Church after 2018
« on: October 09, 2017, 03:34:27 PM »
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  • http://radtradthomist.chojnowski.me/2017/10/dr-john-rao-call-your-office-only.html

    From Dr. Chojnowski:

    Dr. John Rao "Call Your Office!": Only Bastardized Liturgy to be allowed in New Church after 2018. True Mass to be Only Allowed in the "Underground Church"
     


     Breaking News from Una Voce Malta: Modernist Vatican will only allow the traditional Mass to be said within the context of the New Church if it accepts the Lectionary and Calendar of the Novus Ordo. This would mean that the traditional Catholic Mass would not be allowed within the context of New Church. Notice the section of the story about the Fraternity of St. Peter and the Institute of Christ the King. Also, the SSPX will only be given a "temporary exemption" "in order to make the reconciliation possible." No other exemptions will be allowed! Note the smug establishment description of Una Voce of itself. Basically, the True Mass with Catholic worship and prayers and celebrations will only be possible in, what Fr. Malachi Martin called 20 years ago, the "Underground Church."


     Reliable sources close to the Holy See have indicated that sometime in the second half of 2018, the Novus Ordo Lectionary and Calendar are to be imposed upon the Extraordinary Form of the Roman Mass.

    The new Roman Missal will become available on the First Sunday of Advent 2018 but the Vatican will allow a two-year period to phase it in. These changes are expected to be much more drastic than what was envisaged in Universae Ecclesiae that states:
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    25. New saints and certain of the new prefaces can and ought to be inserted into the 1962 Missal, according to provisions which will be indicated subsequently. (emphasis ours)
    The Vatican approved societies and institutes, such as the Fraternity of Saint Peter and the Institute of Christ the King, will likely apply for exemptions, but all requests are expected to be turned down. The only exception seems to be the SSPX, which might be granted a temporary exemption, to ensure that an agreement is reached between the SSPX and Rome.  However, if the exemption granted will be of a temporary nature, more SSPX priests are expected to join the so-called Resistance (formerly known as SSPX-SO) under Bishop Richard Williamson and more will go independent.This would make the traditional Catholic movement more fragmented than ever before.


    Posted by Tridentina Malta at 4:07 PM   

    Labels: Advent, Calendar, Extraordinary Form, FSSP, Institute of Christ the King, Lectionary, Liturgy, Novus Ordo, SSPX, SSPX-SO, Universae Ecclesiae

    Foederatio Internationalis Una Voce

    The FIUV is a lay movement, and its principal aims are to ensure that the Missale Romanum (1962 edition) is maintained in the Church as one of the forms of liturgical celebration, and to safeguard and promote the use of Latin, Gregorian chant and sacred polyphony. A General Assembly is convened every two years in Rome and elections are held for the Council and Presidency. The current President is Mr Felipe Alanis from Una Voce Mexico. The Federation is recognized by the Holy See, its views are received with courtesy and respect by the relevant Roman Congregations, and its representatives are received by them in the same manner.

    Offline Neil Obstat

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    Re: Only Bastardized Liturgy to be allowed in New Church after 2018
    « Reply #1 on: October 09, 2017, 09:54:08 PM »
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    This is the same topic covered earlier in two other threads but this one has a better title and better job on the OP.
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    If it were my choice, I'd make this the one that stays and move the other(s) into this thread.
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    Maybe I'll copy my posts here but I think I've said all I have to say there already.
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    I'm sure something else will develop. This isn't going away quietly.
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    Bishop of Rome Francis is certainly making a lot of enemies, inside and outside the Church.
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    Re: Only Bastardized Liturgy to be allowed in New Church after 2018
    « Reply #2 on: October 09, 2017, 10:01:08 PM »
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  • SSPX Preparing for a Hybrid Mass?
    October 9, 2017Sean Johnson
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    Re: Only Bastardized Liturgy to be allowed in New Church after 2018
    « Reply #3 on: October 09, 2017, 10:13:19 PM »
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    From the linked site:
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    When in 2007, the SSPX celebrated Benedict XVI’s promulgation of Summorum Pontificum, which announced among other things, that the traditional rite had never been abrogated, that admission largely overshadowed some “timebombs” contained within the same document, such as:
    “Needless to say, in order to experience full communion, the priests of the communities adhering to the former usage cannot, as a matter of principle, exclude celebrating according to the new books.”
    And:
    “For that matter, the two Forms of the usage of the Roman Rite can be mutually enriching: new Saints and some of the new Prefaces can and should be inserted in the old Missal.”  (Citation)
    In other words, in the same breath it is announced the old Rite was never abrogated, Rome announces its intention to abrogate it, by creating a new hybrid rite.
    Pope Francis reiterated the Roman intention to infuse the traditional rite with elements of the Novus Ordo in his Universae Ecclesiae:
    “25. New saints and certain of the new prefaces can and ought to be inserted into the 1962 Missal, according to provisions which will be indicated subsequently.
    26. As foreseen by article 6 of the Motu Proprio Summorum Pontificum, the readings of the Holy Mass of the Missal of 1962 can be proclaimed either solely in the Latin language, or in Latin followed by the vernacular or, in Low Masses, solely in the vernacular.
    27. With regard to the disciplinary norms connected to celebration, the ecclesiastical discipline contained in the Code of Canon Law of 1983 applies.”  (Citation)
    Translation: Rome intends to plow ahead with the “reform of the reform,” and impose it on all those communities availing themselves of Summorum Pontificum: Epistle/Gospel readings in the vernacular only; 1 hour fast; new “saints” and prefaces; and presumably, most of the other innovations of the 1965 rubrics, which are considered to be the “real Mass of Vatican II” (See here for why).
    Now the conciliar Tridentina Malta blog is reporting that:
    “sometime in the second half of 2018, the Novus Ordo Lectionary and Calendar are to be imposed upon the Extraordinary Form of the Roman Mass…The new Roman Missal will become available on the First Sunday of Advent 2018 but the Vatican will allow a two-year period to phase it in. These changes are expected to be much more drastic than what was envisaged in Universae Ecclesiae…The Vatican approved societies and institutes, such as the Fraternity of Saint Peter and the Institute of Christ the King, will likely apply for exemptions, but all requests are expected to be turned down. The only exception seems to be the SSPX, which might be granted a temporary exemption, to ensure that an agreement is reached between the SSPX and Rome.”
    In other words, the SSPX is being baited, and will have the 1962 rug pulled out from under their own feet at a later date.
    “The more things change, the more they stay the same.”
    Rome senses the weakness of Bishop Fellay from all the compromises already extracted, and from 20 years of ralliement, knows he is on the hook.
    So well hooked is he, that not even the 1962 Missal is safe.
    In fact, it is doomed.
    How will the SSPX clergy and faithful react to the reintroduction of substantially the same 1965 Missal that Archbishop Lefebvre eventually turned his back on as being insufficient for the formation of traditional priests?
    Well, if the disinterest and apathy of the last several years is any barometer, they will go right along with Cranmer’s, er, Francis and Fellay’s revolution.
    The interesting part is to see how Menzingen will go about “preparing minds” to set them all up for this future infidelity.
    At my own SSPX chapel, some changes began to be implemented several years ago, while others have popped up only in the last couple months.  Here is a description of some of them:
    • Standing through the Agnus Dei, rather than kneeling as we had always done (and which is a much more liturgically congruent posture for the faithful during a penitential prayer).  Remember, Vatican II wanted “active participation,” which it erroneously equated with “vocal participation,” despite the teaching to the contrary of St. Pius X.  Now, how can you “actively/vocally” participate (i.e., sing with the choir) if you are on your knees pounding your chest?  Therefore, stand it is!
    • The altar boys now say the “Domine non sum dignus” aloud with the priest, as opposed to a 40 years custom to the contrary.  More erroneous active = vocal participation.  It also gets the servers used to saying prayers proper to the priest (which in turn encourages the faithful to babble along with them).
    • No more triple genuflection during Holy Week at the adoration of the cross (“Well hey, that was part of the pre-Pius XII reforms anyway, so that is actually proper.”  Yes, but enforcing Pius XII’s innovations in this regard was never the custom here.  Why the sudden concern the last few years?
    • No more adoration of the cross in socks (Keep your shoes on!).  This gets an explicit mention in the bulletin (as does the abolition of the triple genuflection), which proves an interruption of the faithful’s customs from those of the older practice.
    • No more refusing to genuflect for the Jews on Good Friday.  It used to be that a good number of SSPX priests refused to genuflect for the Jews, and kept to the traditional practice (i.e., pre-1956 experimental rubrics of Pius XII), which omitted the “flectamus genua,” since that was the posture the Jews used to mock Our Lord.
    Additionally, one could cite the proliferation of the Dialogue Mass throughout all SSPX schools and seminaries (which implements all the same faulty liturgical principles of the Novus Ordo, which is precisely why and how we arrived at it!):
    • Equating vocal participation with active participation
    • Blurring the distinction between the sacrificial and ministerial priesthood with the priesthood of the faithful
    • Bending the Mass to the “needs” of the apostolate
    • Using the Mass as a catechetical tool
    • Encouraging the faithful to take a more “active” (i.e., vocal) participation in the Mass
    • Extending the prayer responses beyond the sanctuary into the pews (not the choir), so why not go versus populum?
    Enough already:
    Rome’s plans are exposed in broad daylight, and Menzingen is complicit.
    As Michael Davies stated:
    “Likewise, the 1965 Missal was intended to condition the faithful into accepting without protest the radically reformed Missal of 1969.”
    If, then, Menzingen agrees to plow forward with the ralliement, despite Rome’s very transparent and public intention to morph the 1962 Missal into something more along the lines of 1965, how then can the Society escape Michael Davies’ indictment?
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    Re: Only Bastardized Liturgy to be allowed in New Church after 2018
    « Reply #4 on: October 11, 2017, 04:04:00 AM »
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  • I agree with a previous poster - this title is more adapt. And it would it be better to merge the other two threads with this one.

    Elsewhere, I had posted about Rorate Caeli.

    It seems that the issue between both RC and the Maltese Blog is being blown out of all proportion. Read here.

    The seem like 2 spoilt children to me.
    "Recent reforms have amply demonstrated that fresh changes in the liturgy could lead to nothing but complete bewilderment on the part of the faithful" Cardinal Alfredo Ottaviani

    "Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre and Bishop


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    Re: Only Bastardized Liturgy to be allowed in New Church after 2018
    « Reply #5 on: October 12, 2017, 01:20:03 PM »
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  • The Lectionary proper part of the false ritual is in fact the arrangement and order of the weekly and daily Scriptural readings. The Novus Ordo version has been completely reworked and edited by committees of "Catholic scholars", Protestant experts, and Judaic Rabbis. All passages which could reflect negatively upon the Jews have been re-written or taken out.  The ancient meaning of the liturgical cycle, corrupted and made void.

    I wonder whether this will be part of this modernist imposition into the Liturgy?   If so, it will be time for those claiming to be Traditional, to fish or cut bait.  The oasis of R&R on the fencism will sink beneath the waves as the last pretenses of Catholicism fall away from the conciliar entity and its clergy, and the serving of the two masters made impossible.

    This all begs the questions, is this a work of the True Church?  Is the conciliar entity the True Catholic Church of Christ?? Will so called Traditionalists finally offer incense to Baal?


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    Re: Only Bastardized Liturgy to be allowed in New Church after 2018
    « Reply #6 on: October 19, 2017, 11:10:21 PM »
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  • The Lectionary proper part of the false ritual is in fact the arrangement and order of the weekly and daily Scriptural readings. The Novus Ordo version has been completely reworked and edited by committees of "Catholic scholars", Protestant experts, and Judaic Rabbis. All passages which could reflect negatively upon the Jews have been re-written or taken out.  The ancient meaning of the liturgical cycle, corrupted and made void.

    I wonder whether this will be part of this modernist imposition into the Liturgy?   If so, it will be time for those claiming to be Traditional, to fish or cut bait.  The oasis of R&R on the fencism will sink beneath the waves as the last pretenses of Catholicism fall away from the conciliar entity and its clergy, and the serving of the two masters made impossible.

    This all begs the questions, is this a work of the True Church?  Is the conciliar entity the True Catholic Church of Christ?? Will so called Traditionalists finally offer incense to Baal?
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    Looks like the CMRI is following this same trend, because in the Good Friday Reproaches they've removed the "perfidious Jews" phrase and the priests genuflect after what's left of the prayer for the conversion of the Jews. Traditionally the Church does not genuflect there in commemoration of how the Jews who tortured Our Lord genuflected in mock reverence before Him.
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    Curiously, it was Pope John XXIII who announced that never again would "perfidious" be spoken about the Jews in the liturgy, but the CMRI don't recognize him as a valid Pope, while they comply with his dictate. So much for consistency, apparently.
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    Re: Only Bastardized Liturgy to be allowed in New Church after 2018
    « Reply #7 on: October 20, 2017, 10:04:42 AM »
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  • Looks like the CMRI is following this same trend, because in the Good Friday Reproaches they've removed the "perfidious Jews" phrase...
    Where did you hear this?  The last Good Friday service I attended at a CMRI church, the phrase was most certainly used as it appears in the Pius XII Missal with the Holy Week changes.  


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    Re: Only Bastardized Liturgy to be allowed in New Church after 2018
    « Reply #8 on: October 20, 2017, 10:48:32 AM »
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  • I doubt the above and anyone can contact a CMRI priest for confirmation. 

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    Re: Only Bastardized Liturgy to be allowed in New Church after 2018
    « Reply #9 on: October 20, 2017, 01:48:09 PM »
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  • Where did you hear this?  The last Good Friday service I attended at a CMRI church, the phrase was most certainly used as it appears in the Pius XII Missal with the Holy Week changes.  
    I know it is even printed in the booklets they put out for the laity to follow.
    Galatians 1; 8
    But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach a gospel to you besides that which we have preached to you, let him be anathema.

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    Re: Only Bastardized Liturgy to be allowed in New Church after 2018
    « Reply #10 on: October 20, 2017, 01:53:42 PM »
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  • Where did you hear this?  The last Good Friday service I attended at a CMRI church, the phrase was most certainly used as it appears in the Pius XII Missal with the Holy Week changes.  
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    "As the head of the Church, I cannot answer you otherwise: The Jews have not recognized Our Lord; therefore we cannot recognize the Jewish people." -Pope St. Pius X

    "No Jew adores God! Who say so?  The Son of God say so."


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    Re: Only Bastardized Liturgy to be allowed in New Church after 2018
    « Reply #11 on: October 20, 2017, 01:58:22 PM »
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  • I know it is even printed in the booklets they put out for the laity to follow.
    Is it a quirk of the local parish?
    In other words, is the priest taking liberties?
    Lord have mercy.

     

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