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Re: One photo of Francis says it all
« Reply #15 on: July 26, 2021, 06:03:03 PM »
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    Re: One photo of Francis says it all
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  • His name would be closer to “Ya(h)shu’(guttural)a” in Hebrew. Yeshu is the pejorative shortening of it to remove any connection to the divine personal name of God the Father that forms part of its stem. It was also used as a code name to write polemics against Christ in Rabbinic literature and as an acronym for “May his name/mention be blotted out.”

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    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yeshu

    https://judaic.princeton.edu/about-us/resources/toledot-yeshu

    Thank you.  I read some Hebrew, and just figured that it was a shorter form.  Based on the first link, I don't believe that it's clear that it must be a pejorative.  Most languages have shortened non-pejorative forms of common names.

    I'd be interested in seeing the rest of the Hebrew on that painting, since that might say a lot.  I can't quite make out the next word, since I can't really read Hebrew without the vowel points.


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    Re: One photo of Francis says it all
    « Reply #17 on: July 26, 2021, 06:06:07 PM »
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  • I wouldn't call that dancing.   :laugh1:

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    Re: One photo of Francis says it all
    « Reply #18 on: July 26, 2021, 06:11:02 PM »
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  • Thank you.  I read some Hebrew, and just figured that it was a shorter form.  Based on the first link, I don't believe that it's clear that it must be a pejorative.  Most languages have shortened non-pejorative forms of common names.

    I'd be interested in seeing the rest of the Hebrew on that painting, since that might say a lot.  I can't quite make out the next word, since I can't really read Hebrew without the vowel points.


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    Re: One photo of Francis says it all
    « Reply #20 on: July 26, 2021, 06:58:26 PM »
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  • Bergoglio is truly demonic. Thus he can’t possibly be the Vicar of Christ. 
    -I identify as masked and vaxxed. 
    -Slavish fear is the deadliest virus. 
    -“For God hath not given us the spirit of fear: but of power, and of love, and of sobriety.” (2 Tim. 1:7)

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    Re: One photo of Francis says it all
    « Reply #21 on: July 27, 2021, 08:28:55 PM »
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  • Like Obama, they covered his true identity well, but I'd bet $1,000 he's genetically a Jєω.

    When he was first "elected", TIA published a series of photos of his eyes.  They were implying the weak eyes revealed his Jєωιѕнness.

    Besides, the Jєωs don't trust anything else but a Jєω, in such a critical position.  

    Referring to the Jєω anti-Pope Anacletus II in 1130, history shows: "A Jєω pope is not a true pope".
    Incredulous, your kindness in your PMs to me in recent days, concerning the passing of my father, has deeply comforted me, so don't take this as anything contentious --- just asking the question, nothing more --- but wasn't Peter himself a "Jєω Pope"?

    Just saying...

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    Re: One photo of Francis says it all
    « Reply #22 on: July 27, 2021, 09:01:10 PM »
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  • Good question SM,
    St. Paul the Jєω actually accused St. Peter of "judaizing".  :jester:

    Found some good posts that clearly he was a Jєω.


    The gospels say that Peter’s birth name was Simon, which is generally assumed to be Semitic, but it can also be Greek. In the gospels, his brother is called Andrew, which is a Greek name and therefore an important guide to the ethnic background of Peter. At this point, the evidence would point to Peter being a gentile. Peter is portrayed as being a Galilean fisherman, but Galilee was a province populated by both Jєωs and gentiles. On the other hand, Peter seems to have been an observant Jєω, familiar with Jєωιѕн teachings. In Mark 8:29, Peter calls Jesus the Christ (Messiah), which surely only a Jєω would do.

    In his epistles, Paul portrays Cephas (Peter) as the apostle to the Jєωs, a role for which a gentile would hardly be suited, and with Jerusalem as his base. This is very strong evidence that Peter was a Jєω.

    In summary, there is mixed evidence in the gospels as to whether Peter was a Jєω or a gentile, but Paul’s testimony indicates convincingly that he was a Jєω.
    _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

    Yes, Simon Peter was a Jєω.

    Church tradition says that Peter’s wife was named Perpetua. Her father, Aristobulus, was a son of Andronicus, who was the son of Miriam, the daughter of Jacob, the Patriarch of Jerusalem, who was the father of Joseph of Nazareth.

    So Peter already had an indirect relationship with Jesus through his wife.
    In addition, he and his brother, Andrew, were business partners with Zebedee and his sons. Zebedee was the older brother of Mary the mother of Jesus
    So, here again, Peter was already well acquainted with Jesus before he was ever asked to become a disciple.



    The only differences I can readily see, according to John's Last Gospel, when "Christ came unto His own", Peter received him, unlike the others.

    Related to that, I would think he would have been exempt from the Pharisee's racial curse, of, "Let His blood be upon us and our children!"

    Last point is that there is a Church custom, that converted Jєωs cannot go in clerical rank beyond the priesthood.   I don't have the Church source for this, but I've spoken to ex seminarians who are aware of it too.   Why would this custom or provision be?   Because of the Jєω's propensity to fall back to judaism.  It appears to be a genetic weakness and I would attribute that to the blood curse mentioned above.


    There's Jєωιѕн lineage in the modern popes, from Pope Pius XII onwards.  Not sure about John XXIII, but he was clearly masonic.  Francis very likely is Jєωιѕн.









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    Re: One photo of Francis says it all
    « Reply #23 on: July 27, 2021, 09:11:44 PM »
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  • Last point is that there is a Church custom, that converted Jєωs cannot go in clerical rank beyond the priesthood.   I don't have the Church source for this, but I've spoken to ex seminarians who are aware of it too.   Why would this custom or provision be?   Because of the Jєω's propensity to fall back to judaism.  It appears to be a genetic weakness and I would attribute that to the blood curse mentioned above.


    Ah, yes, but remember that Our Lord confirmed him in his faith: "And the Lord said: Simon, Simon, behold Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat: But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and thou, being once converted, confirm thy brethren." - Luke 22:31-32.
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: One photo of Francis says it all
    « Reply #24 on: July 27, 2021, 09:15:19 PM »
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  • Ah, yes, but remember that Our Lord confirmed him in his faith: "And the Lord said: Simon, Simon, behold Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat: But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and thou, being once converted, confirm thy brethren." - Luke 22:31-32.

    Yes, excellent point.  A very special blessing from God himself!
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: One photo of Francis says it all
    « Reply #25 on: July 28, 2021, 01:43:02 AM »
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  • How the Lubavicher Rebbe and his followers are to be pitied for God’s curse, the veil of ignorance over their eyes.  They indeed are clever, seeing many things, but blind to the Gift of God, their Savior, Jesus Christ.  They wander in darkness, unable as yet, to see the forest for the trees, unable to discern between the Kingdom of God and the Kingdom of Man, for, when given the opportunity to submit to God’s rule, they stubbornly chose the broad path of self-destruction. The unseen truth of the Rebbe’s 1980 talk is that his own people, the Jєωs, are the lion, and those who sin seven times a day are the Catholics (Christians).  

    While the Rebbe quotes the Ba’al Shem Tov, he speaks of the lion crouching down before lifting up his prey, it is not for spiritual victory or for charity to his fellow man. Perhaps in his life, the Rebbe never visited the Bronx Zoo, watched the Discovery Channel, or observed alley cats stalking mice behind his complex at 770 Eastern Pkwy?  St. Peter likens the lion to Satan who goes about seeking souls to devour. [1Peter 5:8] In Genesis 49:9, the word “crouches” is used in the willed sense, the man lowers himself down for the purpose of lifting his prey, “lifting” also an action willed by the man. Why does he will to go down before going up?  It is to hunt down, lift up, and devour!  Righteousness is not the motivation for the actions of either the actual lion or by analogy, the man.  The lion follows instinct, the man, his fallen nature stained by Original Sin.  

    The Rebbe refers to Proverbs 24:16, but again, paraphrases the Ba’al Shem Tov who incorrectly interprets the verse regarding the word “falls.”  The righteous man indeed falls seven times a day, but the word is not the same as “crouches (down).”  His fall is an unwilled action imposed upon him by acquiescence to an outside force, namely, the devil. Then he “rises (up),” rises being in the passive sense, that the Lord does the raising, upon recognizing both the weakness and the righteousness of the soul who desires Him over the enemy. Not only is the man restored to grace, (sorrow, confession, desire for amendment), but in his raising up, he blesses and inspires his fellow man.

    St. Paul, once known as Saul of Tarsus, Pharisee of Pharisees, clarifies the matter, proving the verses are not analogous, but diametrically opposed to one another so that they cannot be reconciled.  The contrast is of the Hell-bound man of reprobate heart and the Heaven-bound man whose heart is righteous, like Noah of old, finding grace in the eyes of God.

    Saint Paul, who refers to himself as “the least of the apostles,” writes,

    “What shall we say, then?  Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?  
    God forbid!   For we that are dead to sin, how shall we live any longer therein?
    Know you not that all we, who are baptized in Christ Jesus, are baptized in His death?
    For we are buried together with Him by baptism into death; that as Christ is risen from the dead by the glory of the Father, so we also may walk in newness of life.
    For if we have been planted together in the likeness of His death, we shall be also in the likeness of His resurrection.”  [Romans 6:1-6]





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    Re: One photo of Francis says it all
    « Reply #26 on: July 28, 2021, 07:02:54 AM »
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  • Interesting thread, indeed.  I couldn't find anything on the saying above Christ, but I did find this Jєωιѕн explanation of the painting:

    https://jnjr.div.ed.ac.uk/primary-sources/modern/the-Jєωιѕн-jesus-in-modern-art-marc-chagalls-white-crucifixion-1938/

    Of particular note are the comments about the beggar running from the crucifixion scene.  

    This is just another Jєωιѕн presentation of Christ as merely a tortured Jєωιѕн man.  No true pope would be seen with it.


    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)

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    Re: One photo of Francis says it all
    « Reply #27 on: July 28, 2021, 07:06:17 AM »
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  • Good question SM,
    St. Paul the Jєω actually accused St. Peter of "judaizing".  :jester:

    Found some good posts that clearly he was a Jєω.


    The gospels say that Peter’s birth name was Simon, which is generally assumed to be Semitic, but it can also be Greek. In the gospels, his brother is called Andrew, which is a Greek name and therefore an important guide to the ethnic background of Peter. At this point, the evidence would point to Peter being a gentile. Peter is portrayed as being a Galilean fisherman, but Galilee was a province populated by both Jєωs and gentiles. On the other hand, Peter seems to have been an observant Jєω, familiar with Jєωιѕн teachings. In Mark 8:29, Peter calls Jesus the Christ (Messiah), which surely only a Jєω would do.








    In his epistles, Paul portrays Cephas (Peter) as the apostle to the Jєωs, a role for which a gentile would hardly be suited, and with Jerusalem as his base. This is very strong evidence that Peter was a Jєω.








    In summary, there is mixed evidence in the gospels as to whether Peter was a Jєω or a gentile, but Paul’s testimony indicates convincingly that he was a Jєω.







    _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________








    Yes, Simon Peter was a Jєω.








    Church tradition says that Peter’s wife was named Perpetua. Her father, Aristobulus, was a son of Andronicus, who was the son of Miriam, the daughter of Jacob, the Patriarch of Jerusalem, who was the father of Joseph of Nazareth.








    So Peter already had an indirect relationship with Jesus through his wife.







    In addition, he and his brother, Andrew, were business partners with Zebedee and his sons. Zebedee was the older brother of Mary the mother of Jesus







    So, here again, Peter was already well acquainted with Jesus before he was ever asked to become a disciple.



    The only differences I can readily see, according to John's Last Gospel, when "Christ came unto His own", Peter received him, unlike the others.








    Related to that, I would think he would have been exempt from the Pharisee's racial curse, of, "Let His blood be upon us and our children!"

    Last point is that there is a Church custom, that converted Jєωs cannot go in clerical rank beyond the priesthood.   I don't have the Church source for this, but I've spoken to ex seminarians who are aware of it too.   Why would this custom or provision be?   Because of the Jєω's propensity to fall back to judaism.  It appears to be a genetic weakness and I would attribute that to the blood curse mentioned above.


    There's Jєωιѕн lineage in the modern popes, from Pope Pius XII onwards.  Not sure about John XXIII, but he was clearly masonic.  Francis very likely is Jєωιѕн.







    Good information.  I had never heard all of this before.  Forgive me if I'm being simplistic or showing streaks of Novus Ordo brainwashing, but I thought it was just a "given" that all of the twelve Apostles were Jєωs.  Looking at it from another angle, how common would it have been, in first-century Palestine, for a gentile --- and what kind of gentiles would these have been, Greeks, Arabs? --- to take up with a nascent Jєωιѕн-derived religious sect, led by Someone Who was perceived as just a Jєωιѕн teacher, albeit a teacher who taught as no other teacher had taught before?  I suppose anything's possible.

    And what would the "genetic weakness" be?  I know the late comedian Jackie Mason (he was good, quite conservative, pity he couldn't have been one of us) said "I have never known a completely healthy Jєω", and that seems to bear out --- I had a Jєωιѕн boss (though ostensibly Christianized) before I retired, and that girl had everything in the world wrong with her, morbid obesity, digestive issues, allergies, you name it, even seemed to have misophonia and a narcissistic personality disorder.  (The short, terse word I would use to sum her up cannot be repeated here, but hint, it's very common in Australia.)

    And keep in mind that, according to many accounts, JP2 was not the first Polish pope, St Pius X was.  His family name was Sarto, which was an Italian calque of the common Polish name "Krawczyk" (krov-chuk), which translates to "tailor".  It's always been common for Jєωs to be in the garment trade, indeed, my wife and I surmised that she might have distant Jєωιѕн ancestry, and her maiden name was one that evoked the garment trade as well (it wasn't Krawczyk).  I opined that she looked about as Jєωιѕн as Goldie Hawn or Amanda Bynes, but as it turns out...  and I would never in a million years taken Alyson Hannigan to be Jєωιѕн, Irish name, red hair, and all, but now that it's called to my attention, yeah, I can see it, there is something distinctive about the mouth, think Milton Berle, only less exaggerated.  We have a local news anchor, same thing, now that I know, it jumps out at me.  Gwyneth Paltrow would be another example, note her teeth and mouth sometime.  It's obvious.

    So you never know.  My grandfather and uncle would not have looked a bit out of place at any ѕуηαgσgυє, in fact, I always thought of my uncle as kind of Jєωy, picked up a fast, choppy Cleveland accent (think Dr Oz or Bob Hope) from years of living there, but no, Southern Appalachian hillbillies, not a drop.  My father, God rest his precious soul, always looked so Native American that we just took it for granted (somewhat resembled Bob Barker), but when we ran AncestryDNA, nope, not a drop of that either.

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    Re: One photo of Francis says it all
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  • >>Gaaaaaaggg!!!<<

    I feel like I'm going to have to evoke Earl, Beulah, and Ralph.

    Too bad we don't have an emoji of that little guy hurling.