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One brother speaks on the Crisis
« on: June 06, 2009, 03:00:37 PM »
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  • I'm posting this here, because he COULD be speaking to some on Cathinfo, if he knew about us here.

    Dear "Darkviceroy" and Others (including Brother Joseph Saraceno):
     
    To you, and to those several men who wrote and wondered why I would ask to be taken off their email list.  It is not that I do not want contact with good Catholic men seeking the Truth and the Faith.  Indeed, I want that contact.  It is the on-going harang and the lack of charity that I choose to avoid.  The endless debate resulting from the Fideliter Interview has filled by incoming email for days.  I was pleased to read, again, Archbishops Lefebvre's statement, but that was enough.  I don't need fifty additional emails per day telling me what his statement and the Catholic Faith mean.
     
    And let me respectfully offer a simple response to those who claim to be Sedevacantists:  Yours is a dead end, and it is destructive to the very cause you claim to serve.  Get back in the Church and join the fight to restore her influence and her glory.  You don't have to do a "wrong thing" even if a member of the clergy tells you to do it.  Christ gave us a perfect Church, a beautiful spirtual government; unfortunately it is composed of and operated by imperfect people.

    I am not angry with or offended by you or any of the debaters who uses a little rough language.  At times we have needed a little tough action, when most Catholics only complained or whined or sulked or stayed home.  
     
    Rather I am frustrated and disappointed that the debate goes on about so many things that the "Catholic issues" debaters (a) have limited comprehension in respect to the total matter, (b) can never resolve, (c) have been discussed over and over for forty years since Vatican II, (d) are approached with so much certainty by men and women with limited education and knowledge, (e) and most important, those arguments in which the debaters demonstrate little if any charity or respect.
     
    Sometimes the debaters may be partially correct, but this only gives them more determination and more self-rightousness.  
     
    I could give you many examples, but do not want to get into such an extensive discussion at this time.  The more shrill of these Trads have split chapels, initiated multiple lawsuits for control of chapels that have resulted in their closing, broken up countless families and group relationships, and, in the end, have done untold harm to the Faith.  Unfortunately, some of these self-rightous hard-heads have been the clergy themselves.   What normal, truth seeking person wants to be associated with such a group or church?  Who would want to become a Catholic if this is what converting to the Catholic Church means.  (I have seen potential converts, and many potential traditionalists, turned away by the harsh, dogmatic, condemnatory traditionalists to which I refer.)
     
    I have spoken and written on this subject for many years, but after several decades of trying to work with these self-designated "experts," I have found that it is a hopeless cause.  They do not want peace, let alone success.  They want conflict and somehow enjoy it.   And they glory in the wreckage that results, because that gives them justification for their efforts and makes them martyrs for the Faith.
     
    They would rather join with a hand-full of dissenters in a rented room at a Motel 6, for mass by a priest of questionable validity and no lawful status, than participate in a beautiful Mass with one or two hundred in a lovely church or traditional chapel where some of those Catholics present might believe in the Baptism of Blood by a man who gives his life in martyrdom for Christ.
     
    You guessed it.  Some receiving this email will now judge me a heretic, and will want to debate me, claiming they represent the only true remnant of the Faith.
     
    End of discussion.
     
    God have mercy on his Church and all who claim to be a part of it.
     
    Brother John  
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    « Reply #1 on: June 06, 2009, 09:41:04 PM »
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  • That pretty much sums it up.


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    « Reply #2 on: June 06, 2009, 11:23:03 PM »
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    End of discussion.

    God have mercy on his Church and all who claim to be a part of it.

    Brother John

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       There is logic there but without truth you don't have a church. I believe true Christianity is hungry for the truth. Why is there only one Bishop Williamson and one Michael Hoffman ? Why don't they want to hear truth inside the church building ? That is the abomination of desolation. I rather be standing outside with a protest sign.

    God have mercy on those who chose not to be partakers of apostasy.

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    "They would rather join with a hand-full of dissenters in a rented room at a Motel 6, for mass by a priest of questionable validity and no lawful status, than participate in a beautiful Mass with one or two hundred in a lovely church or traditional chapel where some of those Catholics present might believe in the Baptism of Blood by a man who gives his life in martyrdom for Christ."

       This is plain stupid Catholic elitism. Christ showed that the lowest members of society usually were the closest to the heavenly kingdom.
    So having the opulent Church aura and a qualified well paid apostate clergy are important to your emotional and spiritual well being? At least at Motel 6 they leave the light on, where the Novus Ordo keeps you in the dark.

      Get radical man. There is nothing left.  D E S O L A T I O N.

       At least if some one remembers a cranky wacko protesting PAGANFEST 1986 - NO WAY! , that might give hope to everyone when they figure out they have been fed lies all their life.

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    "The more shrill of these Trads have split chapels, initiated multiple lawsuits for control of chapels that have resulted in their closing, broken up countless families and group relationships, and, in the end, have done untold harm to the Faith.  Unfortunately, some of these self-rightous hard-heads have been the clergy themselves.  What normal, truth seeking person wants to be associated with such a group or church?  Who would want to become a Catholic if this is what converting to the Catholic Church means.  (I have seen potential converts, and many potential traditionalists, turned away by the harsh, dogmatic, condemnatory traditionalists to which I refer.) "

        This part I agree with partially.  We talked on this board about that mysterious self destructive (back stabbing) quality that trads have.

    St. Augustine
     Hope has two beautiful daughters. Their names are anger and courage

     We need to get past the anger stage. Criminals are running the Church. We just need the courage to set things on a Christian positive note. Do what Christ instructed the Church to do. Teach the Gospel and help preserve authentic Catholic Christianity. Drop the Trad nastiness, and support each other with prayer and fellowship. God will do the anger part. We need God's grace to abate human anger that is so destructive.

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    « Reply #3 on: June 07, 2009, 03:38:26 AM »
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  • Quote from: Classiccom
    ...and support each other with prayer and fellowship...


    Hey Classicom, that's a really good idea.  I would add - "only after reading each others abjurations, and ascertaining that all parties indeed hold the Catholic Faith whole and inviolate."

    Otherwise what fellowship can light have with darkness?

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    « Reply #4 on: June 07, 2009, 07:20:08 AM »
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    "Otherwise what fellowship can light have with darkness?"

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     (you mean like O'bama at Notre Dame?)

      Plenty, the whole world is becoming a fellowship of darkness. If you speak the truth, you will be hated and persecuted. As far as numbers, I guess if you can find 10 good people in a city, then you doing pretty good. A true fellowship of light will not be covered up in a Novus Ordo basket.  When you keep your mouth shut and go along to get along with the Novus Ordo, you are no longer light and you have lost your soul.




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    « Reply #5 on: June 07, 2009, 07:39:04 AM »
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  •   It just occurred to me that judgment comes first to the House of God.

       First Judgment - Vatican Council 1870 - The Clergy
          Statement of Infalliblity - Ratified by Bishops (now for 139 years)
      (how could Satan speak in 1884 about destroying the Church , according to Pope Leo XIII ?  Must be a reason! )

        Second Judgment - Vatican Council II  - The Laity
           Everybody in the world can smell apostasy here. (except for Novus Ordo )