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Offline Stubborn

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Re: “Once a Catholic Always a Catholic”? Not Necessarily
« Reply #5 on: January 21, 2025, 10:13:42 AM »
“Once a Catholic Always a Catholic”? Not Necessarily. – Padre Peregrino

Many Catholics casually say the following line to ex-Catholics in order to get them back into a Church building:  “Once a Catholic, always a Catholic.” It sounds welcoming, but it’s theologically wrong.

This is because the Magisterium of the Catholic Church and the Church Fathers, St. Thomas Aquinas and the Popes all taught:  A bad Catholic never ceases to be a Catholic, provided his failure be not faith-based but morality-based (and also provided those moral failures be not excommunicable.)  On the other hand, a baptized person who has purposely rejected even one tenet of the traditional Catholic faith is a heretic who is no longer Catholic.  Furthermore, a baptized person who has purposely rejected Jesus Christ as the only Savior of the world is now an apostate and even farther outside the Church.

A heretic maintains the character of baptism, but not the grace of baptism. This is the key distinction.
This is wrong. This is another novel idea coined by sedes so as to convince themselves that popes are not popes. The idea  goes something like this: "Heretics are outside of the Church therefore a pope who is a heretic cannot be head of the Church."

I will stick only to the subject at hand in this post.

Heresy is a sin, the worst of all the sins. 

There is a necessary distinction that is being ignored here:
1) heretics (baptized in infancy or not) who've been that way since the age of reason, and
2) Catholic who have fallen into heresy. - See Canon 751 below

Canon Law makes that distinction:
Canon 751
"Generally the norms specified in the above canons are to be observed whenever it is a case of the baptism of the infant of two heretics or schismatics, or of two Catholics who have fallen into apostasy, heresy, or schism."

Canon 2314
§ 1. All apostates from the Christian faith and each and every heretic or schismatic:
1.° Incur by that fact excommunication"

Excommunication is a censure attached to the sin (of heresy in this case) by the Code of Canon Law. Note that excommunication does not mean one is outside of the Church.

What is a censure?
From Commentary on the Code of Canon Law....
"1525. A censure is a penalty by which a subject (by Baptism) of the Church is deprived of some spiritual benefits, or of benefits connected with matters spiritual, because of obstinate violation of some law of the Church, until such time as he repents and obtains absolution."

All heretics who were Catholic, remains a Catholic with the sin of heresy and the censure of excommunication on their soul for that sin - - until they repent and are absolved in the sacrament of penance. The Dimonds understood this until they went sede - see attached short video clip.

 

Offline Stubborn

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Re: “Once a Catholic Always a Catholic”? Not Necessarily
« Reply #6 on: January 21, 2025, 10:20:51 AM »
Yeah, I would love to interview Fr Wathen (RIP) and get his complete thoughts on the matter.  Because his views in books seemed to be...unfinished.  He certainly called all the V2 popes heretics, yet then argued that they were baptized and still members of the Church.

He was definitely arguing against the rabid dogmatic Sedes of his day; that was his purpose in even bringing up the topic.  He thought the idea of Aunt Sally waking up and declaring someone 'not in office anymore' as ludicrous and anti-canon law.

Had he spent more time explaining his view, I suspect he would've come to the conclusion of manifest vs occult heresy...which is similar to Fr Chazalism/sede-impoundism...since anyone who is guilty of occult heresy (i.e. private/personal heresy) is in mortal sin and loses their spiritual authority in a number of ways, as Canon Law specifies.  And technically, until the Church declares someone as a heretic, then they are occult (and not manifest).

Ultimately, all roads lead to a 'dead end' in this crisis, even if some roads go further and explain more than others.  Until Christ restores his Church, and fixes the broken roads.
The audio is not so good but you get used to it. It starts at the 9:00 minute mark and is only another few minutes, where he is asked about sedeism....when apparently, the Dimond brothers didn't even know what it was. As he says, there is nothing whatsoever complicated about any of this.....






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Re: “Once a Catholic Always a Catholic”? Not Necessarily
« Reply #7 on: January 22, 2025, 04:56:27 AM »
About the author of the article in the OP.... He went to a NO (Jesuit) high school, college and seminary and was ordained by a NO bishop. This priest is a NO trained and ordained priest and ah yes, "sedes should not doubt the validity of his orders either."


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Fr. David Nix is a Catholic priest who was born on the 16th of August 1978 in Denver, CO, USA. He was raised in the city of Denver and graduated Regis Jesuit High School in 1996. He graduated Boston College in 2000. While premed in Boston, he also worked as an EMT and studied at University of Paris VIII. After graduation, he became a paramedic for the city and county of Denver in 2002. Later, he did mission work and entered seminary in 2004. In 2010, he was ordained priest by Archbishop Chaput for the Archdiocese of Denver. That same year he received a bachelors in sacred theology Magna cuм Laude from the Pontifical Lateran University. He studies languages and has offered the sacraments in North America, South America, Africa, Europe and Asia while contending for the end of abortion and child-trafficking. He is now a diocesan hermit (a monk-missionary with apostolates approved in a rule-of-life under Canon 603.) He chose this pathway (several years ago) while deciding to offer exclusively the seven ancient-rite Roman sacraments, especially the Traditional Latin Mass (TLM.) Sedes should not doubt the validity of his orders, either.