Ah, yes, you think you're quite clever, but the answer is, no, I am not sure of this.  Since I can find no Church teaching about this matter, as with all other things, I am relying upon my private judgment and on the application of various Catholic theological principles.  Consequently, I am liable to be mistaken on this point as well.

It's not about walking through life making a coin-flip or sitting around quivering and incapable of making a decision.  It's simply about being humble and acknowledging our place and acknowledging our own fallibility.

And that's where most of you SVs get into trouble spiritually, through your absolute refusal to admit that you COULD be wrong.  Although at one point, 2Vermont, you admitted that you did think there was some possibility that you could have gotten something wrong in your analysis.  THAT is what I am talking about.  Mere acknowledgment of this is HUGE.  On the other hand, you see people like Sneaky running around basically foaming at the mouth, an attitude which leads inexorably to dogmatic sedevacantism where you declare as heretics someone who doesn't hold your opinion and you mistake your opinion as having the certainty of faith.  If you are wrong, only a radical intervention from the Mercy of God can ever correct your error.  So you are in great peril.

This guy is unbelievable.

He says here that:

A- He can find no Church teaching supporting his "position",
B- He is relying upon his own private judgment,
C- Applies various Catholic theological principles, when in fact he REJECTS various Catholic theological principles, such as, you don't go against the common/universal teaching of theologians (which is why he rejects BoD/BoB, I.I., manifest public heretics are ipso facto excommunicated without any declaration etc.),
D- Is liable to be mistaken on this point as well.
E- And to top it off calls all this "being humble and acknowledging our place and acknowledging our own fallibility."

Well you bet you are mistaken!

But then he dares to say that SV's "get into trouble spiritually through their absolute refusal to admit that they COULD be wrong", because SV's:

A- Find dozens of Church teaching supporting SV,
B- Rely on what the Popes, Saints, Doctors and theologians have said,
C- CORRECTLY apply various Catholic theological principles, as opposed to Lad here and non-SV who REJECT them.
D- Have no patience for silly and made-up arguments that go against Catholic teaching and principles.

Outrageous.

I'm done posting on the subject.  You may carry on foaming at the mouth without me.  I am very happy and at peace in my position; I allow God to lead me where He wants to and put all my trust in Him and not in my own private judgment.  I have charity in my heart for all people, without exception, including for Jorge Bergoglio.  God loves him too and deeply desires his salvation.  If he has lost the faith, then I sincerely pray for his conversion.  Similarly for anyone else who might be in error, including yourself.  Peace.

I am more drawn to the (at least natural) kindness of a Jorge Bergoglio than I am to the dark bitter zeal exhibited by most sedevacantists.  If you read the Gospels, Our Lord reserved His harshes words for the Pharisees, who were by all accounts orthodox in their beliefs but lacked charity, and He spoke gently to heretics like the Sadducees.

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He can find no Church teaching supporting his "position",

Neither can you.

This is a plain LIE.

Do you know what the 8th Commandment is?

Theologians have dealt with the subject of possible SV, but the Church has not pronounced on the matter.

The COMMON TEACHING, and the MAJORITY one, backed up by Popes, Doctors and Saints even, is what SV's believe in and hold.

But since you are a heretic who rejects the common teaching of theologians anyways, this isn't enough for you.

I'm done posting on the subject.  You may carry on foaming at the mouth without me.

Yes, run away.

You proved you can't even answer simple questions against your concocted position.

I am very happy and at peace in my position; I allow God to lead me where He wants to and put all my trust in Him and not in my own private judgment.

So does any Protestant and Novus Ordite believe.

"There can be nothing more dangerous than those heretics who admit nearly the whole cycle of doctrine, and yet by one word, as with a drop of poison, infect the real and simple faith taught by our Lord and handed down by Apostolic tradition", warned Pope Leo XIII in 1896 (Encyclical Satis Cognitum, par. 9).

And Pope Benedict XV also made clear: "Such is the nature of Catholicism that it does not admit of more or less, but must be held as a whole or as a whole rejected" (Encyclical Ad Beatissimi Apostolorum, par. 24).

Sneakyticks it perhaps wouldn't hurt to reevaluate your approach; self-assurance in your convictions is one thing, however the entrenched bitterness is another altogether, one likely to push people away from your position regardless of whether or not the truth is on your side.

You're right.

I have behaved heinously and I promise I will never do it again.

I apologize to Ladislaus and Cantarella and everyone else.

Ladislaus - Please explain why Vatican 2 claimants as Vicars of Christ have not taken the Papal Oath.    http://www.dailycatholic.org/papaoath.htm

Well, I can't say.  I can't read their minds.  I have my suspicions, and my suspicions are that the V2 Popes could very well have been infiltrators and sworn enemies of the Catholic Church.  But I really couldn't say for sure.

Legitimate popes bless their predecessors.  They never contradict nor give new interpretations to what Pontiffs have declared as dogma and doctrine.  Do you agree, Ladislaus?

Sedevacantists do not muddy and confuse Sacred Tradition.  Sedevacantists defend the Total Deposit of Faith, Ladislaus, without exception!

Again, like Sneakyticks, you seem to confuse me with someone who holds the R&R position.  I do not.  So I'm not sure where this is going.

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I apologize to Ladislaus and Cantarella and everyone else.

Not a problem, Sneakyticks.  I'm not easily offended.  I just stopped posting because I didn't feel that it was a productive use of my time.  It wasn't really going anywhere.

I really do mean it, I'm sorry.