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Offline Comrade

Re: Omitting of the name of the pope from the Canon
« Reply #15 on: April 13, 2023, 03:12:40 PM »
Quote from: Stubborn on April 12, 2023, 06:15:18 AM


....that's how I know he is a heretic, an Apostate, ....


Can we be in communion with someone whom we truly believe to be an apostate? Someone who is conspiring to destroy the Catholic Church?
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Offline St Giles

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Re: Omitting of the name of the pope from the Canon
« Reply #16 on: April 13, 2023, 04:08:36 PM »


Based on Bergoglio's history, it seems he was probably raised in the modern teachings of the church. Not that he can't be convinced of his errors, provided people point them out to him, but could he be somewhat ignorant, having been raised in modernism? Is his intent really to destroy the church, or take it in the direction he has always been raised in believing it should go?

Give a thumbs down if you really must, but I'm just asking questions. I think he knows very well what he's doing.

Quote from: Comrade on April 13, 2023, 03:12:40 PM
Can we be in communion with someone whom we truly believe to be an apostate? Someone who is conspiring to destroy the Catholic Church?
Who's going to judge and excommunicate the pope?

We pray in the Our Father: Thy will be done.  Certainly God could rid us of this pope whenever He chooses.

"You would not have power over me unless it were given you from above." And Pilate used that power (or by washing his hands neglected to use that power) condemned an innocent man. Jesus subjected himself to that authority, who would not be there if God had not allowed it. Or am I wrong somewhere? Pilate didn't ask Jesus to sin, but Jesus suffered the consequences of Pilate's actions. We are suffering the poor use of authority by Francis.
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Offline Stubborn

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Re: Omitting of the name of the pope from the Canon
« Reply #17 on: April 13, 2023, 04:46:12 PM »
Quote from: Comrade on April 13, 2023, 03:12:40 PM
Can we be in communion with someone whom we truly believe to be an apostate? Someone who is conspiring to destroy the Catholic Church?
Well, no, not in the sense of obeying his heretical wishes, yet we can, and as Catholics, we are bound to pray for him, which, per Ex Quo, is what we are doing when commemorate him in the Mass. The Church (Ex Quo) makes no distinction on the state of the pope's soul, clearly she teaches that to omit the name of the pope is an act of schism. It should also be clear and if not, one must convince themself that She thought the matter out thoroughly as always, and quite emphatically does not tolerate any exceptions. The idea that "she never saw this crisis coming or she would have added the exception..." is altogether absurd.

If one has the faith, then they know Ex Quo is a true teaching of the Church, it is a teaching of the Church's magisterium, hence, it can only ever be true always and everywhere. There is no expiration date for truth and truth has no mistakes. We cannot simply decide to omit his name because of our opinion of him, the reason for this is because the Church condemns doing that.
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Offline Comrade

Re: Omitting of the name of the pope from the Canon
« Reply #18 on: April 13, 2023, 08:24:01 PM »
Quote from: Stubborn on April 13, 2023, 04:46:12 PM
Well, no, not in the sense of obeying his heretical wishes, yet we can, and as Catholics, we are bound to pray for him, which, per Ex Quo, is what we are doing when commemorate him in the Mass. The Church (Ex Quo) makes no distinction on the state of the pope's soul, clearly she teaches that to omit the name of the pope is an act of schism. It should also be clear and if not, one must convince themself that She thought the matter out thoroughly as always, and quite emphatically does not tolerate any exceptions. The idea that "she never saw this crisis coming or she would have added the exception..." is altogether absurd.

If one has the faith, then they know Ex Quo is a true teaching of the Church, it is a teaching of the Church's magisterium, hence, it can only ever be true always and everywhere. There is no expiration date for truth and truth has no mistakes. We cannot simply decide to omit his name because of our opinion of him, the reason for this is because the Church condemns doing that.
Sorry, i did not mean to derail this Una cuм discussion. Praying for a fallen away Catholic is one thing, but there are consequences, or should say reasonable conclusions, for calling your pope an apostate. Last time I looked it meant total rejection of the faith. You quote the Magesterium but, when your pope uses the same Magesterium, we are allowed as individuals to simply dissent? Calling him an apostate doesn't quite espouse unity.
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Offline Miser Peccator

Re: Omitting of the name of the pope from the Canon
« Reply #19 on: April 13, 2023, 10:15:33 PM »
"Una cuм" is a magical term.

If the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass is offered

"Una cuм" the demon worshiper

it doesn't mean it is offered "in union with" the demon worshiper.

Noooooo, Silly.  It just means you are offering it "FOR" the demon worshiper.

Now, if you don't offer the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass of Our Lord Jesus Christ

"Una cuм" the demon worshiper

the meaning completely changes.

Now you are CUTTING YOURSELF OFF

from the demon worshiper.

You are declaring yourself "NOT IN UNION WITH"

the demon worshiper and his false Chrislam church.

OHHH, good!  Phew!

I definitely don't want to be in union with the demon worshiper or his 

church of Chrislam in any way!


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