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Offline epiphany

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Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
« Reply #360 on: February 28, 2022, 10:01:46 PM »
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    • Quote from: SupportFrStarbuck on February 28, 2022, 12:44:04 PM

    "epiphany!"

    Do you or did you know Father Starbuck?  Were you or are you a member of OLHC? "THE BOARD?" If you were/are a member, did you ever try and help sister in any way?  I did!!
    Yes, my family knows Fr. Starbuck well.

    Yes, we were members of OLHC a long time.  We drew the line and left when, from the pulpit, Fr. Perez introduced Daniel Croisette as a legit deacon ("ordained" by Fr. Pfeiffer) and allowed him to distribute Holy Communion. 

    Yes, we helped sister more than we should have, financially.  I am glad to hear you helped her.  Few did.

    Sister had no transportation and not enough money for food, much less rent.  She spent many days without food.

    Sister spent many nights sleeping on the bench outside the chapel after Fr. Perez prohibited her from sleeping inside the chapel or school hall.

    When sister complained about Fr. Perez allowing Fr. Colletti, convicted laicised perv, to say mass at OLHC, Fr. Perez forbade her from entering the chapel. 

    When she defied Fr. Perez, Fr. Starbuck contacted sister and told her the police would be called to arrest her if she entered OLHC property.

    It is unknown why Fr. Starbuck would do such a thing, but the fact remains that he did.

    The fact also remains that while OLHC supported two other nuns in a three-bedroom house (and then one sole nun after the oldest nun died), Fr. Perez and the OLHC board absolutely would not allow the carmelite nun to live in the house with the other nun.

    I do not disparage Fr. Perez, Fr. Starbuck or the OLHC board, but the facts are the facts.

    Sister surely died a true carmelite death.
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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #361 on: February 28, 2022, 10:09:55 PM »
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    • Quote from: SupportFrStarbuck on February 28, 2022, 12:44:04 PM


    Issue # Two:

    RE: Postings from "Meg" & " dymphnaw's"

    Let me just say, these "troubled"scurrilous innuendo, defamatorY-ladened macabre suggestions that somehow and in some way... Father Starbuck was responsible for the "starvation" of sister AND that the "old nun's body [was] lying there [being]unclaimed" was also Father's Starbuck's fault is grossly inappropriate and is infuriating!

    Let me first say,

    I know absolutely nothing of the specifics and conditions of sister's death!

    You both obviously do not personally know Father and of his profound charity and his loving Christ-like loving concern for others.  I've personally witnessed this during his 15 years of profound priestly service and have seen hundreds of examples of loving service to OLHC faithful!

    To scurrilously suggest otherwise, is in my opinion a satanic, evil lie!  Were either one of you members of OLHC or did you personally know Father?

    Again, except for some vague rumors, which I can't remember the specifics of, I know nothing of the factual specifics s of sister's death or the conditions thereof.  One thing I do know is that sister suffered years from serious Diabetes.  I think her condition was always serious and her life was always untenable. I do know that Fr. Perez and Fr. Starbuck tried to provide for her loving comfort and friendship at OLHC for years! Which she had!  A place of refuge for her to be at home at and... most importantly - RECEIVE THE SACRAMENTS!

    How can you say Fr. Starbuck had no fault in sister's death when, by your own mouth, you "know nothing of the specifics and conditions of sister's death"? 

    I am not suggesting that Fr. Starbuck had any fault in her death.  No one has.

    But the facts remain:
    - a nun at OLHC went days and nights without food, water or housing, in full knowledge of Fr. Starbuck, Fr. Perez, and the laity.
    - sister was not allowed to live in a three bedroom house with one other nun who was supported by OLHC.
    - Fr. Starbuck told sister the police would be called to arrest her if she entered OLHC property.

    I do not deny that Fr. Starbuck is a good and holy priest, but the facts of his actions remain.
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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #362 on: February 28, 2022, 10:41:22 PM »
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    • 'splain how Debbie could  be a Carmelite nun.  A NON-CARMELITE CAN'T WELCOME ANYONE INTO THE CARMELITES.  That's a fact.  She has quite a history.  In & out of several convents. To portray her as a Carmelite or any other nun, does a vast injustice to all true Carmelites & other true nuns.  The circus there had false 'priests' & no one did much about it, now you want to say that Debbie was a nun!!!  She was a poor misguided soul for sure that could have used some help - but NOT as a nun, PLEASE!!  Perhaps if she'd been honest & just went there as a woman needing help, people would have helped her.  Dishonesty will get you nowhere & rightly so.  Why didn't she apply for Food Stamps &/or Welfare?   Again I repeat:  To call yourself a Carmelite or any other name as a nun when you are not one is a SIN & buying into all the foolishness.  Why did she hang around OLHC?  Because that's where all the fakes seem to congregate?

    If you're really into this nonsense, then I insist you call me what I am:  Mother Superior :incense::fryingpan::jester:
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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #363 on: March 02, 2022, 07:11:39 AM »
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    • Quote from: Thorn on February 28, 2022, 10:41:22 PM
    'splain how Debbie could  be a Carmelite nun.  A NON-CARMELITE CAN'T WELCOME ANYONE INTO THE CARMELITES.  That's a fact.  She has quite a history.  In & out of several convents. To portray her as a Carmelite or any other nun, does a vast injustice to all true Carmelites & other true nuns.  The circus there had false 'priests' & no one did much about it, now you want to say that Debbie was a nun!!!  She was a poor misguided soul for sure that could have used some help - but NOT as a nun, PLEASE!!  Perhaps if she'd been honest & just went there as a woman needing help, people would have helped her.  Dishonesty will get you nowhere & rightly so.  Why didn't she apply for Food Stamps &/or Welfare?  Again I repeat:  To call yourself a Carmelite or any other name as a nun when you are not one is a SIN & buying into all the foolishness.  Why did she hang around OLHC?  Because that's where all the fakes seem to congregate?

    If you're really into this nonsense, then I insist you call me what I am:  Mother Superior :incense::fryingpan::jester:
    Fr. Sretenovic witnessed her final vows.
    She died a nun and to say otherwise is detraction.
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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #364 on: March 02, 2022, 10:48:25 AM »
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    • Since when can a non-Carmelite witness the vows of a Carmelite?!  Talk about total chaos.  Can't you see how allowing this paves the way to be infiltrated by anyone seeking to destroy the Order or allowing those with no vocation to simply call themselves Carmelite?  Ask any Carmelite or Dominican or Benedictine.  Can't you see how this all doesn't make sense?  Educate yourself & stop the delusions.  Real Catholicism is orderly & logical.
    btw - didn't Debbie herself drop the Carmelite title & said she was just a hermit?
    Why you continue to buy into Debbie being a Carmelite boggles the mind - it makes no sense.  You are as deluded as she was - poor soul.
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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #365 on: March 02, 2022, 04:39:15 PM »
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    • Quote from: Thorn on March 02, 2022, 10:48:25 AM
    Since when can a non-Carmelite witness the vows of a Carmelite?! 
    Doesn't matter.
    The fact remains that Fr. Sretenovic witnessed her final vows.
    End of story.
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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #366 on: March 02, 2022, 06:33:20 PM »
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    • Quote from: epiphany on February 28, 2022, 10:01:46 PM
    When sister complained about Fr. Perez allowing Fr. Colletti, convicted laicised perv, to say mass at OLHC, Fr. Perez forbade her from entering the chapel. 
    That is simply not true. The first person to tell us that Colletti was a laicised child molester was Father Starbuck, who told us from the pulpit. Father Perez lied and covered up for Colletti by saying from the pulpit "Father Colletti has been called back to his diocese." Debbie had nothing to do with it.
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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #367 on: March 02, 2022, 09:39:35 PM »
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    • Quote from: Cera on March 02, 2022, 06:33:20 PM
    That is simply not true. The first person to tell us that Colletti was a laicised child molester was Father Starbuck, who told us from the pulpit. Father Perez lied and covered up for Colletti by saying from the pulpit "Father Colletti has been called back to his diocese." Debbie had nothing to do with it.
    I didn't say sister was the first person to tell OLHC that fr. Colletti was a laicised perv.  Please read better, Cera.
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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #368 on: March 03, 2022, 10:02:03 AM »
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    • Quote from: epiphany on March 02, 2022, 09:39:35 PM
    I didn't say sister was the first person to tell OLHC that fr. Colletti was a laicised perv.  Please read better, Cera.
    Can someone explain why Fr. Perez showed such poor judgement?
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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #369 on: March 03, 2022, 11:49:52 AM »
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    • Quote from: epiphany on March 02, 2022, 09:39:35 PM
    I didn't say sister was the first person to tell OLHC that fr. Colletti was a laicised perv.  Please read better, Cera.
    You said that the reason Debbie was asked to leave OLHC (which was actually for her to stop begging at the chapel) was because she told Father Perez about Colletti. That's simply untrue.

    No one knew about Colletti until Father Starbuck told us the truth. Many of those who heard the truth then asked Father Perez to get rid of Colletti. None of the others who complained to Father Perez about Colletti were asked to leave the chapel.

    Obviously she was not asked to leave for the reason you say; the reason was her being a laywoman, yet presenting herself as a nun (with various names) and her non-stop begging. Let us pray for her.

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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #370 on: March 03, 2022, 09:50:08 PM »
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    • Quote from: Cera on March 03, 2022, 11:49:52 AM
    You said that the reason Debbie was asked to leave OLHC (which was actually for her to stop begging at the chapel) was because she told Father Perez about Colletti. That's simply untrue.

    No one knew about Colletti until Father Starbuck told us the truth. Many of those who heard the truth then asked Father Perez to get rid of Colletti. None of the others who complained to Father Perez about Colletti were asked to leave the chapel.

    Obviously she was not asked to leave for the reason you say; the reason was her being a laywoman, yet presenting herself as a nun (with various names) and her non-stop begging. Let us pray for her.

    Cera, please learn to read.

    What I actually said was:
    "When sister complained about Fr. Perez allowing Fr. Colletti, convicted laicised perv, to say mass at OLHC, Fr. Perez forbade her from entering the chapel.

    "When she defied Fr. Perez, Fr. Starbuck contacted sister and told her the police would be called to arrest her if she entered OLHC property."

    And it is absolutely true.

    Fr. Sretenovic witnessed her final vows.

    For you to continue to insist she was not a real nun is not only detraction about her but also about fr. Sretenovic.

    She was a carmelite nun who lived and died a true carmelite to the end.  God rest her soul.
    OLHC should hang their heads in shame at how they treated her.
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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #371 on: March 03, 2022, 09:56:39 PM »
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    • Quote from: dymphnaw on March 03, 2022, 10:02:03 AM
    Can someone explain why Fr. Perez showed such poor judgement?
    Fr. Perez believed: if it walks like a priest and talks like a priest then treat it as a priest until proven otherwise.
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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #372 on: March 03, 2022, 10:11:05 PM »
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    • No, that's not the reason.:fryingpan:
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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #373 on: March 03, 2022, 10:14:58 PM »
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    • Then you must explain how non-Carmelite Fr. Stretenovic can make her a Carmelite.  You must quote a valid priest or Carmelite.
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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #374 on: March 04, 2022, 07:52:42 AM »
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    • Quote from: Thorn on March 03, 2022, 10:11:05 PM
    No, that's not the reason.:fryingpan:
    Well, it's the reason Fr. Perez gave me...
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